Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 02:29:28 PM
It's provided. And there's even a calculator in the post to see how much it would be in any metro area. MIT also has their own calculator for it as well...

"make muh comfy" are your words, not mine.

You have not defined it.  For the 5th time, define it.  You're willing to put businesses out of business and people out of work, so please define.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 10:14:00 AM
I thought by Central Planning you meant setting wages.

See ..you moved the goal posts and I didn't follow ...

I'm advocating for increasing the minimum wage.

You know good and well what it means, that's why you avoided my post!
Your dancing is gettin old!

Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 03:35:02 PM
You have not defined it.  For the 5th time, define it.  You're willing to put businesses out of business and people out of work, so please define.

What part of my posts that I cited did you not understand? I want to try and get on the same page...


Maybe if I understood how you defined "minimum wage" I'll know better what kind of answer you're looking for.

How would you define "minimum wage"?

Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2020, 03:57:24 PM
You know good and well what it means, that's why you avoided my post!
Your dancing is gettin old!

I never avoided your post. I didn't know you were going down the rabbit hole of "Central Planning". I thought we were talking about minimum wage (as set by the government), not government as a whole.

If you hadn't shifted the conversation that misunderstanding wouldn't have occurred

Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 10:14:00 AM
I thought by Central Planning you meant setting wages.

See ..you moved the goal posts and I didn't follow ...

I'm advocating for increasing the minimum wage.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 04:18:26 PM
What part of my posts that I cited did you not understand? I want to try and get on the same page...

On every post on living wage, you have not defined it and I'm more confused than before reading.

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Maybe if I understood how you defined "minimum wage" I'll know better what kind of answer you're looking for.

How would you define "minimum wage"?
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The minimum per-hour wage set by law, either federally or by a state.


Here are several question that may help you arrive at your definition that no human has ever been able to define:

1. Why is a worker not responsible for their own standard of living?

2. Why does the viability of a business providing the job take a back seat to what you perceive the appropriate standard of living to be for the worker?

3. How is your wisdom of what a wage should be greater than that of nature?  To put another way, why is it not fair for a brain surgeon to have a better standard of living than someone who's only viable skill is jacking off a latte machine?

4. Why is a mutual agreement of a wage between employer and employee unfair?

Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 05:03:49 PM
On every post on living wage, you have not defined it and I'm more confused than before reading.

How would you define "minimum wage"?


The minimum per-hour wage set by law, either federally or by a state.


Here are several question that may help you arrive at your definition that no human has ever been able to define:

1. Why is a worker not responsible for their own standard of living?

2. Why does the viability of a business providing the job take a back seat to what you perceive the appropriate standard of living to be for the worker?

3. How is your wisdom of what a wage should be greater than that of nature?  To put another way, why is it not fair for a brain surgeon to have a better standard of living than someone who's only viable skill is jacking off a latte machine?

4. Why is a mutual agreement of a wage between employer and employee unfair?

Ok. So. Like post 21 says...



I consider the 1968 minimum wage to be a living wage. Today, that would be the equivalent to $10.44

That'd be a living wage.

Do you understand now?

Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 05:17:14 PM
Ok. So. Like post 21 says...

In 1968, the minimum wage for most workers was $1.60 an hour. An employee working at that rate for 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, would have earned $3,328. That was above the poverty thresholds that year for a three person-household: $2,817 annually for a home headed by a man and $2,516 for a home headed by a woman.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/01/17/2020-00858/annual-update-of-the-hhs-poverty-guidelines

I consider the 1968 minimum wage to be a living wage. Today, that would be the equivalent to $10.44

That'd be a living wage.

Do you understand now?

No.  You can live on less, which would allow for more people to get jobs.  Why would a person not be able to work for less if they're not worth it?  How is below poverty not "livable"?

Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 06:05:51 PM
No.  You can live on less, which would allow for more people to get jobs.  Why would a person not be able to work for less if they're not worth it?  How is below poverty not "livable"?

Yes. You can live on less. You can live on no income at all. I see homeless people on the street so I know it's possible. I guess you're right. It can stay how it is and those people can keep qualifying for other government assistance.

Why are we still arguing about how much we get paid? It's how much we have to pay out (taxes, cost of living, etc).

Define living wage. Seems to me like having necessities like an apartment, basic transportation, basic clothing, and food is living. Do you expect people on minimum wage to live high on the hog?

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on January 18, 2020, 06:46:14 PM
Why are we still arguing about how much we get paid? It's how much we have to pay out (taxes, cost of living, etc).

Define living wage. Seems to me like having necessities like an apartment, basic transportation, basic clothing, and food is living. Do you expect people on minimum wage to live high on the hog?

Nope. I define it exactly as you do. go up about 3 posts and you'll see.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 06:54:17 PM
Nope. I define it exactly as you do. go up about 3 posts and you'll see.

Learn to quote posts so someone don't have to go looking for a post.   That is one of the quote function that your not using.  Poster should not need to go looking for a post, if you use the quote functions.  There is no reason for someone to go looking for a post when you can quote it.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on January 18, 2020, 06:46:14 PM
Why are we still arguing about how much we get paid? It's how much we have to pay out (taxes, cost of living, etc).

Define living wage. Seems to me like having necessities like an apartment, basic transportation, basic clothing, and food is living. Do you expect people on minimum wage to live high on the hog?

Maybe you'll have more success with him.

Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 08:07:54 PM
Maybe you'll have more success with him.

He is hear to push his own agenda.  Burnes sanders presidential campaign.

Quote from: walkstall on January 18, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
He is hear to push his own agenda.  Burnes sanders presidential campaign.

Here is bernies agenda sumed up:

I think there are some people who make too much money, I think there are some people who have too much money, I know how to spend their money better than they do. I will take their money they earned and give others who did not earn it free college, free health care for Americans and EVERYONE WHO CROSSES THE BORDER, forgive student loan debt, enforce the new green deal. I will demand small businesses regardless of their financial situation to pay at least $15 an hour.

Bernies plan will cost you $60 Trillion.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/bernie-sanders-plan-for-free-stuff-would-cost-at-least-60-trillion/

Pull that much out of the working peoples pockets and watch business fold. Or do some people think the money is just there?


Joe, this one is for you.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/bernie-sanders-the-bum-who-wants-your-money/

My favorite part:  ""The choice in this election is shaping up to be a very clear one. It will likely boil down to a battle between those who create and produce wealth, and those who take it and redistribute it.""