Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 08:10:27 AM
joe, the whole point was that you can not use government graphs to prove anything because they play with the numbers. Nod your head if you understand.

Where do you think George Will's information comes from?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 07:39:25 AM
This thread is titled "Federal employment numbers". Those numbers are what they are.

We also covered the amount of people that are paid by the US taxpayer in post 11.

So, now that we know the numbers. Where do we go from here?

Are we going to shift this thread into one that discusses reforms?

Answer this. You own a business, you have about 5 employees but you haven't the physical space to house more, so you employ a temp agency, months go by, the temp agency now has 100 working specifically for you business.
Did your business grow?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 07:39:25 AM

Are we going to shift this thread into one that discusses reforms?

No, not until you admit govt has grown exponentially since the 60s.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 08:10:27 AM
joe, the whole point was that you can not use government graphs to prove anything because they play with the numbers. Nod your head if you understand.

The Bobble Head nod.

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 09:01:55 AM
No, not until you admit govt has grown exponentially since the 60s.

I agree that our government expenditures have grown since the 60s. That was never in question.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 09:06:59 AM
I agree that our government expenditures have grown since the 60s. That was never in question.

Meaning? That Govt employment via State proxy has grown far beyond what your bogus numbers claim!
You set your premise based on the graphs telling the entire story, when in fact, they are in the least misleading, or an outright lie!

Now, answer the question Joe

You own a business, you have about 5 employees but you haven't the physical space to house more, so you employ a temp agency, months go by, the temp agency now has 100 working specifically for you business.
Did your business grow?

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 09:23:50 AM
Meaning? That Govt employment via State proxy has grown far beyond what your bogus numbers claim!
You set your premise based on the graphs telling the entire story, when in fact, they are in the least misleading, or an outright lie!

Now, answer the question Joe

You own a business, you have about 5 employees but you haven't the physical space to house more, so you employ a temp agency, months go by, the temp agency now has 100 working specifically for you business.
Did your business grow?

For the life of me I do not understand what Joe is proving by not seeing the way the government plays with the numbers.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 09:06:59 AM
I agree that our government expenditures have grown since the 60s. That was never in question.

The people working for the federal government has grown immensely, even if they are employed by the state, the federal government pays their salaries thru grants to the state. This way the federal government can please the public by saying the "federal employees" number did not grow. Up until now, everyone I knew understood how this worked and were not fooled by the charts that the government prints out that are very misleading. It is the same bag of tricks obama used to show the unemployment going down as thousands of people were no longer part of the labor force. If they were not part of the labor force, how could they be unemployed? But go ahead and play your little games, we are not fooled nor are most Americans.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 12:31:40 PM
For the life of me I do not understand what Joe is proving by not seeing the way the government plays with the numbers.

I think he knows quite well he fell for the CBO accounting fraud once again. (something even the CBO admits is garbage) He posts the BS thinking he can bull shit us. The last time Taxed cleaned his clock, and this time you did.
He'll do it again if he thinks he can pull one over on us. He fails to realize, we're not Faceplant or some run of the mill forum, we actually search out the truth. It's who we are.

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 12:47:01 PM
I think he knows quite well he fell for the CBO accounting fraud once again. (something even the CBO admits is garbage) He posts the BS thinking he can bull shit us. The last time Taxed cleaned his clock, and this time you did.
He'll do it again if he thinks he can pull one over on us. He fails to realize, we're not Faceplant or some run of the mill forum, we actually search out the truth. It's who we are.

When he first started posting he brought something to the forum, I did not agree with him, but he did add value. I'm guessing the baby is keeping up to much at night. 

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 12:56:27 PM
When he first started posting he brought something to the forum, I did not agree with him, but he did add value. I'm guessing the baby is keeping up to much at night. 

I know he's young, but I don't think he's a baby.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 12:40:04 PM
The people working for the federal government has grown immensely, even if they are employed by the state, the federal government pays their salaries thru grants to the state. This way the federal government can please the public by saying the "federal employees" number did not grow. Up until now, everyone I knew understood how this worked and were not fooled by the charts that the government prints out that are very misleading. It is the same bag of tricks obama used to show the unemployment going down as thousands of people were no longer part of the labor force. If they were not part of the labor force, how could they be unemployed? But go ahead and play your little games, we are not fooled nor are most Americans.

Okay, you made the thread.

Let me ask you, then...how many people work for Government on all levels?

You obviously don't like using just the Federal government payroll. So let's count them all...how many is it?

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 09:23:50 AM
Meaning? That Govt employment via State proxy has grown far beyond what your bogus numbers claim!
You set your premise based on the graphs telling the entire story, when in fact, they are in the least misleading, or an outright lie!

Now, answer the question Joe

You own a business, you have about 5 employees but you haven't the physical space to house more, so you employ a temp agency, months go by, the temp agency now has 100 working specifically for you business.
Did your business grow?

Well, officially I still have just the 5 employees. Just like the Federal government still has the same amount of employees.

But I'm getting the feeling that you really don't want to move this conversation forward...

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 01:39:17 PM
Well, officially I still have just the 5 employees. Just like the Federal government still has the same amount of employees.

But I'm getting the feeling that you really don't want to move this conversation forward...

Wrong Joe, it is you who refuse to move forward. You refuse to answer the question because you know it will expose you for the fraud you are.

Or you could answer as to why a company decided that it was better to use a temp agency over hiring their own employees?
Why did the govt do the very same thing? Could it be, to hide the real data?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 01:39:06 PM
Okay, you made the thread.

Let me ask you, then...how many people work for Government on all levels?

You obviously don't like using just the Federal government payroll. So let's count them all...how many is it?

Why are you asking him to do your work? How about you dig it up?
Problem is, they admitted they don't know.