Started by Dr_Watt, September 02, 2011, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: arpad on September 02, 2011, 11:33:18 PMI'm OK with the Flight 77 terrorists getting lucky. Overflying the Pentagon was an indication that they'd already missed their target once so were cranking the aircraft around for another try. A try the terrorist-pilot would've known, even with his very limited flight experience, had a pretty poor chance of working.Also, since all, modern commercial aircraft use electronic flight control augmentation I'm not sure that control inputs don't vary with speed/altitude in order to minimize pilot workload and likelihood of over-controlling, or under-controlling, during critical phases of flight. I might be wrong, pilots being a pretty conservative lot, but the option of maintaining positive control with consist control movements regardless of flight speed would be pretty attractive to someone whose in a position to be very concerned about pleasant outcomes.
Quote from: Dr_Watt on September 02, 2011, 05:18:43 PM2) as he loses altitude, the aircraft will be gaining speed, as it gains speed, the controls will become increasingly "sensitive".
Quote from: Eyesabide on September 04, 2011, 12:25:17 PMI think pilots use angle of attack and flaps to slow down, and possibly reduce thrust. Just thinking.
Quote from: Dr_Watt on September 03, 2011, 01:47:47 PM. Do you want me to believe that 3 out of 4 aircraft, hijacked by radicals and flown by inexperienced pilots were somehow able to, not only evade the air defenses of one of the most heavily traveled and tightly controlled air spaces - in the World - but were able to carry out successful attacks against, in the case of the Pentagon, one of the most heavily guarded buildings in the world? -Dr Watt
Quote from: Solar on September 04, 2011, 01:41:47 AMFirst, Osama wanted to hit just one tower if memory serves me correctly, hoping it would cripple the other beyond repair.But the fact that a 2nd tower was hit may be more due to an inexperienced pilot.
QuoteAnd at that altitude, it is unlikely that ground effect was an effect, but like I said, thermals would be more likely Seeing how they were well above ground effect.
QuoteYou do realize to the casual observer you are looking pretty silly here, right?Lets just stop here before too much damage is done. ;)
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on September 04, 2011, 11:59:32 AMFunny, nearly every real airplane I've flown on (and that's probably 35-40 a year) have this amazing ability to actually SLOW DOWN as they lose altitude. It's kind of a standard procedure when landing a plane...
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on September 04, 2011, 03:33:43 PM Yes, because that is what happened, I hi lighted the part about best guarded buildings in the world and while you may be right you are over looking something. Their security system was geared towards to things, prevention of electronic surveillance and ....prevention of as ground attack, bombing, truck bombing, ditrect weapons fire, suicide squad...it was NOT geared to prevent an AIR ATTACK...that is the weak link the terrorists uncovered thru years of intelligence gathering. Remember, the stage for 9/11 attacks was set and uncovered in Manila in 1995...that is when we were TOLD, presented EVIDENCE that an air attack using a hijacked commercial jet liner flown into a tall building was being planned, specifically mentioned was the US Embassy in Manila and the sears tower in Chicago. I bow to your knowledge of aircraft, but bow to my expertise in my profession...security/intelligence gathering. Billy
Quote from: Dr_Watt on September 05, 2011, 10:20:47 AMKind of supports my theory. Two inexperienced pilots, hitting two different targets in exactly the right way to caused catastrophic failure in both targets? Seems a tad incredible to me.
QuoteI never said the Twin Tower aircraft were affected by ground effect, only Flight 77.
QuoteWhat fun would that be? :)) -Dr Watt
Quote from: Dr_Watt on September 05, 2011, 10:40:53 AMAll the more reason why (six years later) we were so unprepared for such an attack. I don't doubt you or your expertise for a minute! BTW you do know that the CIA had a "front" operation that worked out of the same hangar at the same airport where two of the hijackers received their flight training, don't you?-Dr Watt
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on September 05, 2011, 10:57:48 AM That "front" operation was involved in Iran/ Contra-Nicaragua...according to one of the former pilots I know involved in that.... ;) Billy