For myself Im putting trump on time out. This is a major strike against his credibility in my book. The first one.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/20/trump-reveals-he-got-covid-19-vaccine-booster-shot/

We know covid isnt any more dangerous than the flu. We know the vaxed are getting it more than the unvaxed. We know the massive number of side effects among the jabbed. Yet trump is pushing what can only be described as FAKE NEWS. He is agreeing with the deepstate globalists.

One of three things I see could be going on here.
1) Trump has turned or was compromised somehow.
2) This isnt really trump but another hollywood cyber show.
3) This is some kind of amazing 4D...no, 5D chess move by trump that none of us can understand.

Not sure. But I know he is wrong about the vax. Im glad he got boooed. We need to police our own, including trump.

The best I can figure is, he's in the DC bubble and everyone around him are either idiots or not seeing the truth.

You guys are amazing. Youngkin is  no good, Trump is  no good. Maybe the simple reason is  he  started  operation warpspeed and  he  doesnt want to repudiate  it  now.

Quote from: ldub23 on December 23, 2021, 03:35:27 PMTrump is  no good.

What do you think Trump's real goal was while President? 
Did he succeed? 
What, if anything, will he do in the future?

You also might  have  missed this  part.

"If you don't want to take it, you shouldn't be forced to take it," Trump went on. "No mandates, but take credit, because we saved tens of millions of lives. Take credit. Don't let them take that away from you."

He  is against  mandates.

Quote from: SueAnn on December 23, 2021, 05:13:32 PMWhat do you think Trump's real goal was while President? 
Did he succeed? 
What, if anything, will he do in the future?

Im not saying Trump is  no good.

Finally, something I disagree with Trump about.  It only took 5 years.

Quote from: ldub23 on December 23, 2021, 05:14:17 PMYou also might  have  missed this  part.

"If you don't want to take it, you shouldn't be forced to take it," Trump went on. "No mandates, but take credit, because we saved tens of millions of lives. Take credit. Don't let them take that away from you."

He  is against  mandates.

And that's the important thing, IMO.

We can all form our own opinions about the advisability of taking the jab. It's tragic how the Left has politicized what ought to be a purely medical/scientific issue, though it should be obvious by now that we can expect nothing else. Still, we are all free to form our own opinions, just as Trump is.

But government mandates cross the line. Whatever opinion you may form and whatever decision you may reach based on that opinion, it all becomes moot in the face of a successful vax mandate. The US Constitution tasks the national government with one primary duty -- the protection and preservation of the people's liberty. Vaccination mandates are the diametric opposite of that duty, and must be stopped at all costs.

I don't care if you shoot up with a mix of horse piss and iron filings to protect you from the boogeyman. Just don't tell me to roll up my sleeve.

Quote from: ldub23 on December 23, 2021, 05:15:27 PMIm not saying Trump is  no good.

You typed it.  If it isn't your words, then who said Trump is no good?

Quote from: ldub23 on December 23, 2021, 05:14:17 PMYou also might  have  missed this  part.

"If you don't want to take it, you shouldn't be forced to take it," Trump went on. "No mandates, but take credit, because we saved tens of millions of lives. Take credit. Don't let them take that away from you."

He  is against  mandates.

Mandates arent the issue I have with him.
He isnt saying that the virus is a hoax, a scam, and that it isnt more dangerous than the flu so no need for the fearmongering. He isnt calling out the health care system and the CDC for lying to the people and killing so many old people in nursing homes. He isnt calling out the false reporting and the fact that the official death count is something like 10 times what it is in reality, thus in line with the flu. He isnt pointing out that the vaxed are getting covid and dying moreso than the unvaxed. And he isnt addressing the myriad of horrible side effects from the vax.

Instead, he went and got a booster! Essentially endorsing this whole scamdemic.

People getting the vax are either cowards or fools, and nothing trump has done before this would suggest he is either, so why is he doing this? I listed some possibilities before.

Quote from: taxed on December 23, 2021, 07:38:08 PMFinally, something I disagree with Trump about.  It only took 5 years.

Excellent point! Thats why I said this is only strike one for me. He has never done something like this before so I have to assume there is something else behind this.

Plus the leftists HATE to have to agree with trump about anything. This has them all twisted up.

Quote from: T Hunt on December 23, 2021, 09:25:21 PMExcellent point! Thats why I said this is only strike one for me. He has never done something like this before so I have to assume there is something else behind this.

Plus the leftists HATE to have to agree with trump about anything. This has them all twisted up.

I wish Trump would have addressed the big elephant in the room, how about all the ones dying from taking the vaccine? How about all the side effects? How about all the cases where the vaccine did not do any good? How about all the secrecy of the tests? How about the fact that natural immunity protects you better than the vaccine? There is still a lot for Trump to talk about when it comes to vaccines, I hope he starts soon.

What if.....   and this is just hypothetical..... (but it's such a strange world with talk of "actors" and "clones" and everything else that anything is possible)....  what if...  he only thinks he's had the "vaccine"?  What if they only gave him saline because it's to Big Pharma's advantage to have the most visible, influential person on the planet appear to be robust and in good health after taking the jabs and boosters? He has such a vast following, could it be that they are counting on his words to sway the masses, an unknowing and well-meaning spokesperson?  What if he sincerely believes that it is a good thing because he took the advice of his counselors and pushed for a fast vaccine and Big Pharma played him?  I don't believe he would consciously advise the America people (that I do believe he loves) to take something that would harm them. 

Just putting this out there. 

Quote from: Grammy on December 24, 2021, 05:00:53 AMWhat if.....  and this is just hypothetical..... (but it's such a strange world with talk of "actors" and "clones" and everything else that anything is possible)....  what if...  he only thinks he's had the "vaccine"?  What if they only gave him saline because it's to Big Pharma's advantage to have the most visible, influential person on the planet appear to be robust and in good health after taking the jabs and boosters? He has such a vast following, could it be that they are counting on his words to sway the masses, an unknowing and well-meaning spokesperson?  What if he sincerely believes that it is a good thing because he took the advice of his counselors and pushed for a fast vaccine and Big Pharma played him?  I don't believe he would consciously advise the America people (that I do believe he loves) to take something that would harm them. 

Just putting this out there.

I have often thought the politicians have only had a saline solution. This vaccine HAS NOT had the proper testing and I can not see any politician putting their butt on the line unnecessarily. After all, the goal is to get us to get the jab. As we have discussed several times, i think the truth for the vaccine lies elsewhere.

Quote from: Grammy on December 24, 2021, 05:00:53 AMWhat if.....  and this is just hypothetical..... (but it's such a strange world with talk of "actors" and "clones" and everything else that anything is possible)....  what if...  he only thinks he's had the "vaccine"?  What if they only gave him saline because it's to Big Pharma's advantage to have the most visible, influential person on the planet appear to be robust and in good health after taking the jabs and boosters? He has such a vast following, could it be that they are counting on his words to sway the masses, an unknowing and well-meaning spokesperson?  What if he sincerely believes that it is a good thing because he took the advice of his counselors and pushed for a fast vaccine and Big Pharma played him?  I don't believe he would consciously advise the America people (that I do believe he loves) to take something that would harm them. 

Just putting this out there.

I want to believe that trump isnt that easy to fool. Hope Im right.