Quote from: ZenMode on August 29, 2023, 02:17:35 PMDo you disagree that the virus was spreading as a pandemic in China long before it was a known issue in the US?

Only if you are naïve enough to believe U.S scientist were not working side by side with the Chinese scientist.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that the U.S. did not fund any of this research.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that China did not shut down cities in order to hide hideous unemployment numbers.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that the democrats did not see the oncoming lockdowns as a chance to illegally change voting laws to keep Trump from getting elected again.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe to a huge part of the pandemic was to force a jab that was developed before the virus on people.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that huge part of shutdowns was to ruin the best economy the U.S. has seen.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that liberal people in charge saw and used the opportunity of the pandemic to further their own hold in government. 

Ask yourself, why did we see video  and pictures of people dropping dead in the middle of the streets in China?

Ask yourself, why was there so much flip flopping on masks, distancing, shutdowns?

Ask yourself, why was the pandemic played up so bad, hospitals were adding tents to house a wave that never came? Why were ships sent to cites that were never used?

Ask yourself, why were infected people sent into nursing homes to infect the sick and elderly?

Ask yourself, why were places where people go to gather and talk, churches, bars, sports, shut down while other places were not?

Ask yourself, why was it still ok to riot?

Are you naïve enough to believe that when the democrats called Trump raciest for blocking travel from China into the U.S. they were being honest?

Are you naïve enough to believe this was a mistake? Happened by accident?

Are you naïve enough to believe that everything the democrats did was in our best interest?

Are you naïve enough to believe that the sole purpose of the jab, and the reason it is still being pushed, was to save lives?

I'm not that naïve. I can see evidence from multiple sources and put two and two together. So to answer your question, no, the U.S. was in on this from the beginning.

Quote from: Possum on August 29, 2023, 02:57:13 PMOnly if you are naïve enough to believe U.S scientist were not working side by side with the Chinese scientist.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that the U.S. did not fund any of this research.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that China did not shut down cities in order to hide hideous unemployment numbers.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that the democrats did not see the oncoming lockdowns as a chance to illegally change voting laws to keep Trump from getting elected again.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe to a huge part of the pandemic was to force a jab that was developed before the virus on people.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that huge part of shutdowns was to ruin the best economy the U.S. has seen.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that liberal people in charge saw and used the opportunity of the pandemic to further their own hold in government. 

Ask yourself, why did we see video  and pictures of people dropping dead in the middle of the streets in China?

Ask yourself, why was there so much flip flopping on masks, distancing, shutdowns?

Ask yourself, why was the pandemic played up so bad, hospitals were adding tents to house a wave that never came? Why were ships sent to cites that were never used?

Ask yourself, why were infected people sent into nursing homes to infect the sick and elderly?

Ask yourself, why were places where people go to gather and talk, churches, bars, sports, shut down while other places were not?

Ask yourself, why was it still ok to riot?

Are you naïve enough to believe that when the democrats called Trump raciest for blocking travel from China into the U.S. they were being honest?

Are you naïve enough to believe this was a mistake? Happened by accident?

Are you naïve enough to believe that everything the democrats did was in our best interest?

Are you naïve enough to believe that the sole purpose of the jab, and the reason it is still being pushed, was to save lives?

I'm not that naïve. I can see evidence from multiple sources and put two and two together. So to answer your question, no, the U.S. was in on this from the beginning.

Quote from: Possum on August 29, 2023, 02:57:13 PMOnly if you are naïve enough to believe U.S scientist were not working side by side with the Chinese scientist.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that the U.S. did not fund any of this research.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that China did not shut down cities in order to hide hideous unemployment numbers.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that the democrats did not see the oncoming lockdowns as a chance to illegally change voting laws to keep Trump from getting elected again.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe to a huge part of the pandemic was to force a jab that was developed before the virus on people.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that huge part of shutdowns was to ruin the best economy the U.S. has seen.

Only if you are naïve enough to believe that liberal people in charge saw and used the opportunity of the pandemic to further their own hold in government. 

Ask yourself, why did we see video  and pictures of people dropping dead in the middle of the streets in China?

Ask yourself, why was there so much flip flopping on masks, distancing, shutdowns?

Ask yourself, why was the pandemic played up so bad, hospitals were adding tents to house a wave that never came? Why were ships sent to cites that were never used?

Ask yourself, why were infected people sent into nursing homes to infect the sick and elderly?

Ask yourself, why were places where people go to gather and talk, churches, bars, sports, shut down while other places were not?

Ask yourself, why was it still ok to riot?

Are you naïve enough to believe that when the democrats called Trump raciest for blocking travel from China into the U.S. they were being honest?

Are you naïve enough to believe this was a mistake? Happened by accident?

Are you naïve enough to believe that everything the democrats did was in our best interest?

Are you naïve enough to believe that the sole purpose of the jab, and the reason it is still being pushed, was to save lives?

I'm not that naïve. I can see evidence from multiple sources and put two and two together. So to answer your question, no, the U.S. was in on this from the beginning.

Soooo.....Do you disagree that the virus was spreading as a pandemic in China long before it was a known issue in the US?

Quote from: ZenMode on August 29, 2023, 02:09:53 PMI'm saying that China, if the Covid pandemic was their "plan", have got to be among the dumbest, most incompetent countries on the face of the earth.

Translated from Chinese:
"Ok guys, here the plan.  We going to develop a virus that only kills old and fat people, release it on ourselves, crush our economy, implement draconian lockdowns, cause riots and otherwise set our country back at least 10 years....  Oh, and we're going to release it in the US."

Meanwhile, the people of China are like:

Wait, you think they used our "JABBBB"?              
Damn, you really are an ignorant twat!

Quote from: ZenMode on August 29, 2023, 03:23:20 PMSoooo.....Do you disagree that the virus was spreading as a pandemic in China long before it was a known issue in the US?

To quote from my posting that you must not have read,

QuoteSo to answer your question, no, the U.S. was in on this from the beginning.

Put it another way, this was planned, and rehearsed. I will go one step further, and take a wild ass guess, I would not be surprised if we don't find out there were multiple other labs around the world where the virus also "escaped". 

Quote from: ZenMode on August 29, 2023, 02:17:35 PMDo you disagree that the virus was spreading as a pandemic in China long before it was a known issue in the US?

Hey Gumby, I had it 3 months before the media talked about it, as did most in Ca.

Quote from: Possum on August 29, 2023, 03:40:58 PMTo quote from my posting that you must not have read, Put it another way, this was planned, and rehearsed. I will go one step further, and take a wild ass guess, I would not be surprised if we don't find out there were multiple other labs around the world where the virus also "escaped". 

Ca comes to mind.      

Quote from: Possum on August 29, 2023, 03:40:58 PMTo quote from my posting that you must not have read, Put it another way, this was planned, and rehearsed. I will go one step further, and take a wild ass guess, I would not be surprised if we don't find out there were multiple other labs around the world where the virus also "escaped". 

The great part about imagination is that there's no limit to what you can come up with!

Quote from: ZenMode on August 29, 2023, 03:56:20 PMThe great part about imagination is that there's no limit to what you can come up with!

Since we are asking questions, do you think the U.S. and China were the only two countries researching gain of function with covid?

Quote from: Possum on August 29, 2023, 04:08:03 PMSince we are asking questions, do you think the U.S. and China were the only two countries researching gain of function with covid?

"COVID" is a very generic term.  There are many forms of coronavirus in humans and many more in animals.  It seems highly unlikely that only 2 countries have been doing GoF research on some kind of Covid.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 29, 2023, 04:53:26 PM"COVID" is a very generic term.  There are many forms of coronavirus in humans and many more in animals.  It seems highly unlikely that only 2 countries have been doing GoF research on some kind of Covid.

Great answer for the wishey washey, the key term was "gain of function", not covid. BUT, don't bother answering, trying to have a discussion with you usually ain't worth the trouble.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 29, 2023, 02:17:35 PMDo you disagree that the virus was spreading as a pandemic in China long before it was a known issue in the US?

Here's a timeline, and it supports those on the Right. Watch it and tell us what's wrong. It's short.

https://gab.com/bobby2themax/posts/110916079867995400/media/1?timeline=video

Quote from: Solar on September 01, 2023, 04:53:41 AMHere's a timeline, and it supports those on the Right. Watch it and tell us what's wrong. It's short.

https://gab.com/bobby2themax/posts/110916079867995400/media/1?timeline=video

That is one possibility.  Here's what actually happened, according to the DoD:

The USASPENDING.gov website shows the government contract with Black & Veatch and its subcontract with Labyrinth Global Health on November 12, 2019, with the description in the "Sub-Awards" category including "SME [subject matter expert] MANUSCRIPT DOCUMENTATION AND COVID 19 RESEARCH".

The apparent contradiction highlighted by The Exposé comes because the first cases of what would later be called COVID-19 weren't discovered until early December 2019. The World Health Organization named the disease on February 11, 2020.

No crystal ball

So, how did the DOD know about COVID-19 before the rest of the world? It didn't. The original contract from November 12, 2019, was modified months later to include COVID research. In an April 20, 2022, email to Lead Stories, the DOD's Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA), which issued the contract, said:

QuoteNo, DOD did not award a contract in 2019 for COVID-19 research. In this case, DTRA's contractor modified a task order in 10 June 2020 to assist Ukraine in responding to the COVID-19 pandemic, many months after the pandemic had begun. However, the date in the database reflects the original date the Master Servicing Agreement was entered into the system.

Information from USASpending.gov reflects data from a Master Servicing Agreement, or MSA, which can be modified by the DOD over time to better address emerging issues through its ongoing contracts. Contractors frequently sign additional sub-awards through task orders. These task orders, too, can be modified or amended. The date of each modification is not reflected on the USASpending.gov page, which stays as the date the original MSA was entered into the system, but the description is updated to reflect the latest changes in the task order.

In the same email, the DTRA explained the process in greater detail:

QuoteThe Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) contracted with Black & Vea[t]ch to continue to support Ukraine's peaceful and safe biological detection and diagnostic capabilities and to reduce biological threats, whether they are naturally-occurring, accidental, or intentional, through the provision of equipment, supplies, and training. Black & Vea[t]ch signed the MSA with DTRA on 2 October, 2019, to modify DTRA's requested non-COVID training support, which was submitted to the procurement system on 12 November 2019. After the pandemic began, the MSA was modified to provide additional COVID-19 pandemic-related support to Ukraine on 25 April 2020 and again on 12 June 2020. The task order directed the servicing contractor to provide high-level subject matter expert mentorship support on COVID-19 Laboratory Diagnosis, Biological Safety and Laboratory Emergency Response in Ukraine.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2022/04/fact-check-department-of-defense-did-not-award-contract-for-covid-19-research-in-ukraine-3-months-before-virus-was-known.html

Quote from: Solar on August 29, 2023, 03:40:21 PMWait, you think they used our "JABBBB"?              
Damn, you really are an ignorant twat!

I just saw this but, no, I don't for a second think China, or many foreign countries, used our vaccine.  I didn't even mention the vaccine in anything I said.

Quote from: ZenMode on September 01, 2023, 07:26:50 AMThat is one possibility.  Here's what actually happened, according to the DoD:

The USASPENDING.gov website shows the government contract with Black & Veatch and its subcontract with Labyrinth Global Health on November 12, 2019, with the description in the "Sub-Awards" category including "SME [subject matter expert] MANUSCRIPT DOCUMENTATION AND COVID 19 RESEARCH".

The apparent contradiction highlighted by The Exposé comes because the first cases of what would later be called COVID-19 weren't discovered until early December 2019. The World Health Organization named the disease on February 11, 2020.

No crystal ball

So, how did the DOD know about COVID-19 before the rest of the world? It didn't. The original contract from November 12, 2019, was modified months later to include COVID research. In an April 20, 2022, email to Lead Stories, the DOD's Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA), which issued the contract, said:

In the same email, the DTRA explained the process in greater detail:
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2022/04/fact-check-department-of-defense-did-not-award-contract-for-covid-19-research-in-ukraine-3-months-before-virus-was-known.html

So we're po believe hey actually updated a document from 2019?                     
You'll believe anything hey feed you!

Quote from: Solar on September 01, 2023, 08:26:04 AMSo we're po believe hey actually updated a document from 2019?                     
You'll believe anything hey feed you!

Why wouldn't/couldn't they update it?