Merck Covid Drug Linked to New Virus Mutations, Study Says

Started by ZenMode, February 02, 2023, 05:51:40 AM

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Quote from: Solar on February 08, 2023, 11:39:25 AMYou posted 2019, that was before the CCP Flu outbreak, that was Your dodge!
Point is, they were recording Flu as covid!
There is a process for determining/estimating deaths from the flu. In a "busy" year, we might have 60-70k flu deaths. An average year is around 40k.  I don't believe flu deaths were being counted as COVID deaths. But, let's just say you're right, and there was a grand conspiracy across the country to mislabel flu deaths, you're talking about ~60k difference. So, over a two year period, instead of ~ 1 million COVID deaths, we'd have about 999,940?
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Solar

Quote from: ZenMode on February 09, 2023, 05:12:31 AMThere is a process for determining/estimating deaths from the flu. In a "busy" year, we might have 60-70k flu deaths. An average year is around 40k.  I don't believe flu deaths were being counted as COVID deaths. But, let's just say you're right, and there was a grand conspiracy across the country to mislabel flu deaths, you're talking about ~60k difference. So, over a two year period, instead of ~ 1 million COVID deaths, we'd have about 999,940?
So you actually think, since the CDC averages numbers, that the death rates either direction aren't suspect either?
Early on no ono one was watching the CDC ignore the Flu, but as "Covid' soared, flu was not even on the radar.

Why was that you ask? Because a scam had been setup to pay doctors and hospitals a bounty on covid deaths.
Do you not know even know this? Or are you going to deny this as well?

Zen, no one here is buying your bullshit, no one is as stupid as you, or even act this stupid and still carry on a conversation.
What's your angle in all of this?



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Quote from: Solar on February 09, 2023, 05:55:56 AMSo you actually think, since the CDC averages numbers, that the death rates either direction aren't suspect either?
Early on no ono one was watching the CDC ignore the Flu, but as "Covid' soared, flu was not even on the radar.

Why was that you ask? Because a scam had been setup to pay doctors and hospitals a bounty on covid deaths.
Do you not know even know this? Or are you going to deny this as well?

Zen, no one here is buying your bullshit, no one is as stupid as you, or even act this stupid and still carry on a conversation.
What's your angle in all of this?




Angle?  What do you mean?

What you call a bounty, I call a "possible government waste", which happened a lot during covid.

The government paid hospitals more for Medicare patients who had covid - about 20% more apparently:

For instance, hospital Medicare patient with Pneumonia--without Covid--is worth about $7,700 to the hospital. But with Covid, that reimbursement jumps to over $9,200. A Medicare patient with Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome requiring a ventilator? Without Covid, the bill is around $34,000. But with Covid, that Medicare patient now worth almost $40,000. And the list goes on.

https://www.kgns.tv/2022/03/28/government-pays-hospitals-more-money-covid-19-patients-than-non-covid-patients/


Like most any government program that gives out money, there's the opportunity for abuse.  I read that there's been billions in fraudulent claims by businesses for employees during covid.  I don't see that as a bounty.

As far as flu numbers go, there's a process to determine them.  I'll be curious to see what the 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 numbers are.
"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide that proves they should value evidence."

Solar

Quote from: ZenMode on February 09, 2023, 11:07:12 AMAngle?  What do you mean?

What you call a bounty, I call a "possible government waste", which happened a lot during covid.

The government paid hospitals more for Medicare patients who had covid - about 20% more apparently:

For instance, hospital Medicare patient with Pneumonia--without Covid--is worth about $7,700 to the hospital. But with Covid, that reimbursement jumps to over $9,200. A Medicare patient with Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome requiring a ventilator? Without Covid, the bill is around $34,000. But with Covid, that Medicare patient now worth almost $40,000. And the list goes on.

https://www.kgns.tv/2022/03/28/government-pays-hospitals-more-money-covid-19-patients-than-non-covid-patients/


Like most any government program that gives out money, there's the opportunity for abuse.  I read that there's been billions in fraudulent claims by businesses for employees during covid.  I don't see that as a bounty.

As far as flu numbers go, there's a process to determine them.  I'll be curious to see what the 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 numbers are.

"WASTE" WTF? How is it you can't see an agenda here? What in he Hell do you think they were buying?
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Quote from: ZenMode on February 09, 2023, 05:12:31 AMThere is a process for determining/estimating deaths from the flu. In a "busy" year, we might have 60-70k flu deaths. An average year is around 40k.  I don't believe flu deaths were being counted as COVID deaths. But, let's just say you're right, and there was a grand conspiracy across the country to mislabel flu deaths, you're talking about ~60k difference. So, over a two year period, instead of ~ 1 million COVID deaths, we'd have about 999,940?

Hey liar, prove 1 million covid deaths or retract. Stop lying and spreading misinformation that you cannot prove and which has been debunked already. :stomp 

If you take deaths WITH the flu instead of FROM the flu, that would also most likely be over a million as well. Your lying has been exposed for all to see.  :bigl
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Possum

Quote from: T Hunt on February 09, 2023, 06:15:50 PMHey liar, prove 1 million covid deaths or retract. Stop lying and spreading misinformation that you cannot prove and which has been debunked already. :stomp 

If you take deaths WITH the flu instead of FROM the flu, that would also most likely be over a million as well. Your lying has been exposed for all to see.  :bigl
Yeah, he is into repeating his lies now, it's all he's got.

ZenMode

Quote from: T Hunt on February 09, 2023, 06:15:50 PMHey liar, prove 1 million covid deaths or retract. Stop lying and spreading misinformation that you cannot prove and which has been debunked already. :stomp 

If you take deaths WITH the flu instead of FROM the flu, that would also most likely be over a million as well. Your lying has been exposed for all to see.  :bigl
I can do this round-and-round thing all day.  Prove that there has ever been a death from the flu?  Prove that anyone has ever died from cancer?  Prove that anyone has ever died from a heart attack?

As I asked previously, what evidence would be acceptable to you as proof?  Digging up bodies and laying them on your door step?
"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide that proves they should value evidence."

Solar

Quote from: ZenMode on February 10, 2023, 06:47:30 AMI can do this round-and-round thing all day.  Prove that there has ever been a death from the flu?  Prove that anyone has ever died from cancer?  Prove that anyone has ever died from a heart attack?

As I asked previously, what evidence would be acceptable to you as proof?  Digging up bodies and laying them on your door step?
Your shtick is getting old! Either debate the actual point, and not the strawman you created, or find another subject to wear out!
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Quote from: Solar on February 10, 2023, 07:06:06 AMYour shtick is getting old! Either debate the actual point, and not the strawman you created, or find another subject to wear out!
Sure.  It's your site.  I'll move on to another subject, but what is wrong, outside of this topic, with requesting a level playing field for claims?  In other words, if I need to prove that a specific number of people died from a cause, why shouldn't the person setting that standard have to prove their claims?
"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide that proves they should value evidence."

Solar

Quote from: ZenMode on February 10, 2023, 07:16:50 AMSure.  It's your site.  I'll move on to another subject, but what is wrong, outside of this topic, with requesting a level playing field for claims?  In other words, if I need to prove that a specific number of people died from a cause, why shouldn't the person setting that standard have to prove their claims?
No, you were proven wrong pages ago, but you keep needling in on useless points to keep your BS alive.
You lost this debate shortly after it started!

Now find something new to look the fool on.
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T Hunt

Quote from: ZenMode on February 10, 2023, 06:47:30 AMI can do this round-and-round thing all day.  Prove that there has ever been a death from the flu?  Prove that anyone has ever died from cancer?  Prove that anyone has ever died from a heart attack?
What round and round thing? We asked you for proof that 1 million people died FROM covid and not WITH covid (an enormous number difference) And you have been unable or unwilling to give us ANY evidence to support. You just keep parroting the same studies which we have already debunked as not tracking FROM covid.

As to those other things, they arent hard. Ive personally witnessed people die of heart attacks and cancer. Cant say Ive seen someone die of the flu, but I know people who have. Those are all common things which have been around forever. Covid on the other hand has not. So you will have to show us some proof of your claim of 1 million since that is so outlandish and widely seen by the majority as a conspiracy theory.
No one is claiming those other numbers are inflated, unless you are, and if so then where is your evidence they are being inflated like we gave you evidence covid was inflated?

Remember, no one in the medical community is even claiming that 1 million people died FROM covid, only you are....

QuoteAs I asked previously, what evidence would be acceptable to you as proof?  Digging up bodies and laying them on your door step?
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?msg=501840
So you cant read now? I already answered that long ago, yet you still have failed to provide proof. Why is that? Is it possible that is because proof of your claim doesnt exist since your claim is a lie?

You keep trying to dodge and deflect yet you keep falling flat in the face of the facts. We have debunked your reasoning and sophistry at every turn.
Now, will you stop deflecting and actually provide proof that 1 million died from covid, or will you retract?
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T Hunt

Quote from: ZenMode on February 10, 2023, 07:16:50 AMSure.  It's your site.  I'll move on to another subject, but what is wrong, outside of this topic, with requesting a level playing field for claims?  In other words, if I need to prove that a specific number of people died from a cause, why shouldn't the person setting that standard have to prove their claims?

Well maybe because no one asked you for a specific number, only evidence of the number YOU claimed. You are lying again by trying and failing to create a strawman. This has been a level playing field the entire time, as we provided proof of our claims which you failed to counter with evidence of your own, and then when you tried to produce evidence of your claims we countered them with evidence proving your evidence bunk. The onus is on you either way yet you deflect instead of trying to defend yourself...

And now you will no doubt use solars request to gracefully bow out and try to ignore the fact that your claim was debunked and ours sustained. But let it be known to all reading this, NO EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED PROVING 1 MILLION DIED FROM COVID.

Thus we can confidently dismiss that outlandish claim as easily debunked.
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