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Quote from: Solar on February 20, 2023, 08:43:18 AMhttps://twitter.com/i/status/1627695154885804034

Where are all the libs crying that we need to be more like europe?

Those who put people's lives in danger are seeing their tower fall apart. About time.

Quote from: T Hunt on February 20, 2023, 10:33:14 AMWhere are all the libs crying that we need to be more like europe?

Hard to believe there are still people who have yet to cut through the fear, and see the truth.

Quote from: Possum on February 20, 2023, 12:48:38 PMThose who put people's lives in danger are seeing their tower fall apart. About time.

Yep, and it is picking up speed.
We're winning, so it can only get worse from here on out until we finally win!

Quote from: Solar on February 22, 2023, 06:57:22 AMYep, and it is picking up speed.
We're winning, so it can only get worse from here on out until we finally win!

This alone is the best proof Trump destroyed the deep state. This was their ticket. By forcing jabs on those too stupid to understand what was going on, and convince them it was for their own good was their way to total control. Trump lead the way in getting the truth out, forever.

Quote from: Possum on February 22, 2023, 07:29:29 AMThis alone is the best proof Trump destroyed the deep state. This was their ticket. By forcing jabs on those too stupid to understand what was going on, and convince them it was for their own good was their way to total control. Trump lead the way in getting the truth out, forever.

Its almost like, instead of Trump knocking over their entire Jenga tower, he pulled out just the right block for it to fall on its own as they try to add pieces in above.

It seems like God also likes to utilize that style, of letting evil hoist itself by its own petard.

Quote from: Possum on February 22, 2023, 07:29:29 AMThis alone is the best proof Trump destroyed the deep state. This was their ticket. By forcing jabs on those too stupid to understand what was going on, and convince them it was for their own good was their way to total control. Trump lead the way in getting the truth out, forever.

So, who issued & allowed the lockdowns to continue after the initial 15 days to slow the spread ?Who let Birx & Fauci take the reins on Covid policy for months on end ie lockdowns, mandates? Who gave Pfizer & Moderna a no-liability contract?

Quote from: WMK on April 01, 2023, 03:55:17 PMSo, who issued & allowed the lockdowns to continue after the initial 15 days to slow the spread ?Who let Birx & Fauci take the reins on Covid policy for months on end ie lockdowns, mandates? Who gave Pfizer & Moderna a no-liability contract?

Are you forgetting that at the time we were told to expect 10% to 20% deaths or major symptoms. There were auto companies making ventilators, hospital ships were sent to major cities, the list goes on. It took time to realize most of what we were told was false. On top of that, we had liberal governors insisting on lock downs. Hell, we let a election get stolen because of all the false information. So no, I really don't think after 15 days anyone realized what a farse this was.

Quote from: Possum on April 01, 2023, 04:12:38 PMAre you forgetting that at the time we were told to expect 10% to 20% deaths or major symptoms. There were auto companies making ventilators, hospital ships were sent to major cities, the list goes on. It took time to realize most of what we were told was false. On top of that, we had liberal governors insisting on lock downs. Hell, we let a election get stolen because of all the false information. So no, I really don't think after 15 days anyone realized what a farse this was.

Quote from: Possum on April 01, 2023, 04:12:38 PMAre you forgetting that at the time we were told to expect 10% to 20% deaths or major symptoms. There were auto companies making ventilators, hospital ships were sent to major cities, the list goes on. It took time to realize most of what we were told was false. On top of that, we had liberal governors insisting on lock downs. Hell, we let a election get stolen because of all the false information. So no, I really don't think after 15 days anyone realized what a farse this was.

Yes, there certainly were voices out there sounding the clarion call not to go through with the shutdowns, mandates. And certainly many calls & pleas for Trump not to relinquish his presidency to the likes of Birx & Fauci.  What Trump did to build a great economy, was quickly destroyed by allowing non-elected bureaucrats and the deep state to fill the void in leadership that he allowed.
But for the sake of argument here, if not 15 days, then what about after 30 days? 45days?  Do yourself a favor, read "A Plague Upon Our House" -Scott Atlas.

Quote from: WMK on April 02, 2023, 01:44:55 PMYes, there certainly were voices out there sounding the clarion call not to go through with the shutdowns, mandates. And certainly many calls & pleas for Trump not to relinquish his presidency to the likes of Birx & Fauci.  What Trump did to build a great economy, was quickly destroyed by allowing non-elected bureaucrats and the deep state to fill the void in leadership that he allowed.
But for the sake of argument here, if not 15 days, then what about after 30 days? 45days?  Do yourself a favor, read "A Plague Upon Our House" -Scott Atlas.

Another book written after the fact???? I'll tell you the very reason I do not agree with your premise that the virus was not severe enough to shutdown, that implies that IF it had been, it would have been ok.

See, there is nothing in the constitution that gives the president, governors, mayors, etc. the power to tell private companies, churches, etc.  they can not remain open. I fail to see where the government has the power to mandate mask, jabs, etc.. 

Your right, we all see now the virus was over hyped. So what. That is not the point. This should never happen again, the government overreached it's boundaries, accomplished nothing, who was "protected".  That is where the focus should be, by saying we should not have shutdown because the virus was not severe, to blame others because they felt it was more severe than it was, is missing the point that the government should never have that much power. Period.

Quote from: Possum on April 02, 2023, 02:43:09 PMAnother book written after the fact???? I'll tell you the very reason I do not agree with your premise that the virus was not severe enough to shutdown, that implies that IF it had been, it would have been ok.

See, there is nothing in the constitution that gives the president, governors, mayors, etc. the power to tell private companies, churches, etc.  they can not remain open. I fail to see where the government has the power to mandate mask, jabs, etc..


Your right, we all see now the virus was over hyped. So what. That is not the point. This should never happen again, the government overreached it's boundaries, accomplished nothing, who was "protected".  That is where the focus should be, by saying we should not have shutdown because the virus was not severe, to blame others because they felt it was more severe than it was, is missing the point that the government should never have that much power. Period.

The constitutionality of the entire covid episode is not what's up for debate here. IMO, that's a no-brainer; US government, federal or state, never had constitutional authority re: covid mandates/shutdowns. But understand we're now living in a fascist state and the Constitution is nothing but a dead letter. B. Franklin proved to be a prophet.
And let me add that your mention of constitutional matter actually furthers my point about those who occupied the Oval Office at this time.  Both politically & literally, it was Ignorance, fear, power and greed that caused the destruction of the covid scam to continue for as long as it did. And some aspects still live & breathe to this very minute.

 

Quote from: WMK on April 02, 2023, 03:57:15 PMThe constitutionality of the entire covid episode is not what's up for debate here. IMO, that's a no-brainer; US government, federal or state, never had constitutional authority re: covid mandates/shutdowns. But understand we're now living in a fascist state and the Constitution is nothing but a dead letter. B. Franklin proved to be a prophet.
And let me add that your mention of constitutional matter actually furthers my point about those who occupied the Oval Office at this time.  Both politically & literally, it was Ignorance, fear, power and greed that caused the destruction of the covid scam to continue for as long as it did. And some aspects still live & breathe to this very minute.

 

First off, if you are going to discuss the "covid episode, that discussion HAS to include how the constitution was violated. Those violations are still ongoing.
Had the presidency, the congress, the states, ect. understood that they did not have this power to shut down private business, to shut down churches or put it another way, had the people of the U.S. known that the government did not have the power , this discussion would be unnecessary. Too many just gave government that power, they gave up their rights.

To secure the future, we need to take cases to the courts and get this behavior down on record as illegal.

If what mattered was WHO was in the white house, I then have to ask you, would it had been handled differently had Hillary been in charge??? Would businesses remained open if only Biden had been there? Of course not, the only way this would not have happened would have been if EVERYONE knew the government did not have this power, and no mistake, they do not.

 Two items, I do not think Trump made any decision because of greed. Two, had we already had it on record that the government absolutely did not have the power to do this, Trump would not have done it. I don't know if your main argument is basically "orange man bad", if it isn't, my apologies, but I do see Trump as doing better than most at trying to stay in the limits of the constitution.