Florida mother to be evicted from home unless she gets vaccinated

Started by Sick Of Silence, September 22, 2021, 08:59:38 AM

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p1tchblack

Quote from: Possum on September 23, 2021, 02:26:03 PMthey had wedding cakes on display, they did not have one with two girls on the top as the owner did not make those. they asked for a special custom one made that he did not make, had no history of making, and no plans to start making them. How is that discrimination? It's not and the court agreed.

Outside of the plastic piece on top, which no baker makes, can you explain the difference between a gay and straight wedding cake?
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Possum

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 03:08:11 PMOutside of the plastic piece on top, which no baker makes, can you explain the difference between a gay and straight wedding cake?
It does not matter what my definition was/is/ or will be. What does matter, the couple wanted a cake that the owner did not make, never did make, or have plans to make. The court agreed that was his right not to make something he does not make and more important this was not discrimination. That should settle this issue.
 But to get back on thread, in the case of the owner suddenly wanted to see vaccine proof, he has no history of ever wanting this before, and there have been vaccines before, he did not close up shop before the vaccine was available, and he is in a public business that has rules against discrimination. He is in a world where medical records of others are none of his business. Florida is very clear, you can not discriminate because you want to see vaccine passports. 

Sick Of Silence

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 03:08:11 PMOutside of the plastic piece on top, which no baker makes, can you explain the difference between a gay and straight wedding cake?

If they wanted rainbows and unicorns and other gay crap on it, then I would think it would be.

 :mellow:
With all these lawyers with cameras on the street i'm shocked we have so much crime in the world.

There is constitutional law and there is law and order. This challenge to law and order is always the start to loosing our constitutional rights.

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p1tchblack

Quote from: Possum on September 23, 2021, 03:23:53 PMIt does not matter what my definition was/is/ or will be. What does matter, the couple wanted a cake that the owner did not make, never did make, or have plans to make. The court agreed that was his right not to make something he does not make and more important this was not discrimination. That should settle this issue.
 But to get back on thread, in the case of the owner suddenly wanted to see vaccine proof, he has no history of ever wanting this before, and there have been vaccines before, he did not close up shop before the vaccine was available, and he is in a public business that has rules against discrimination. He is in a world where medical records of others are none of his business. Florida is very clear, you can not discriminate because you want to see vaccine passports.

No  the courts didn't rule on the legality or whether it was discrimination.  The court kicked the can down the road.

So  amI right that gay and straight needing cakes have the same ingredients?  There's no gay flour or gay eggs, right?

An ID card isn't a medical record.  You are implying that there would be a HIPAA violation and I don't see any basis for that.
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Possum

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 05:36:04 PMNo  the courts didn't rule on the legality or whether it was discrimination.  The court kicked the can down the road.

So  amI right that gay and straight needing cakes have the same ingredients?  There's no gay flour or gay eggs, right?

An ID card isn't a medical record.  You are implying that there would be a HIPAA violation and I don't see any basis for that.
Two small details you left out, the courts did not find the baker guilty of discrimination, and in Florida you can not ask for a vaccine passport.

p1tchblack

Quote from: Possum on September 23, 2021, 05:46:02 PMTwo small details you left out, the courts did not find the baker guilty of discrimination, and in Florida you can not ask for a vaccine passport.

The courts didn't rule on the discrimination aspect. Again, they kicked the can down the road.

Florida will fine you if you do, but I'm saying the own should have the right to determine who he rents to.

Legalities are secondary, in this case, to the point I'm trying to make.
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T Hunt

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 11:09:53 AMDo you have a link to the law that you keep referencing?

You need a link to the constitution? Sorry, not allowed to discriminate for no reason.
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T Hunt

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 01:45:24 PMI do have a problem with discrimination, just as I have an issue with people using racial slurs or burning the flag but, I support the right of people to use racial slurs and burn the flag as part of free speech. 

So, do you believe Masterpiece Cake Shop should be forced to make a cake for a gay wedding?

Why would they? Thats religion. Covid is science fiction. Do you think we should force all people to show proof of whether they love star wars?
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T Hunt

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 03:08:11 PMOutside of the plastic piece on top, which no baker makes, can you explain the difference between a gay and straight wedding cake?

Yes, it is who is buying it. And since being gay is a sin, we are allowed to publicly treat it as such regarding our personal property, thats freedom of religion. Of course LLCs or public things would be different.

It is a fact that gayness is a mental disorder, just as trans is. Thats science.
We are allowed to treat it as such. Thats why we dont have to normalize it.
Thats why I as an american under the constitution have the right to hire and fire, serve or not serve based on gayness, if it is publicly known. Same with slavery. Under the constitution that was always illegal. We fought a war to force the south to abide by the constitution. You seem to think that somehow the supreme court trumps the constitution or that somehow sexuality trumps religion. They dont.

Now I cant force someone to tell me their sexual status and in most cases I would never ask. But if I know because they are shoving it in everyones faces then I can use that as a determinate on whether to hire or fire someone. Just as I can use pink hair. However, I cannot use covid vax status since covid cannot even be proven to exist in a court of law. it is science fiction.
Since the covid hoax is an attack on our nation by a foreign country it gets treated differently.

Now dont try derailing this thread by making it about homosexuality.
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T Hunt

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 05:36:04 PMNo  the courts didn't rule on the legality or whether it was discrimination.  The court kicked the can down the road.

QuoteSo  amI right that gay and straight needing cakes have the same ingredients?  There's no gay flour or gay eggs, right?
An ID card isn't a medical record.  You are implying that there would be a HIPAA violation and I don't see any basis for that.

Does there need to be? Their lifestyle is the problem, it goes against nature, both spiritually(our nations founding religion) and scientifically(mental disorder), so Im constitutionally allowed to treat them as such and avoid them in public and forbid them from my property, business included. IF they are open about it. I cannot force them to tell me. Really the constitution end up with something like the "dont ask dont tell" policy which worked so well for the army.

Remember, there is nothing normal about homosexuality and we as a country do not want to normalize it, nor are we forced to per the constitution.

Again, bring this back to the subject of the thread, the mother being unconstitutionally evicted for science fiction.
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p1tchblack

Quote from: T Hunt on September 23, 2021, 08:06:55 PMYou need a link to the constitution? Sorry, not allowed to discriminate for no reason.

The Constitution protects our rights from infringement from the government, not private entities.
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T Hunt

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 08:37:32 PMThe Constitution protects our rights from infringement from the government, not private entities.

So we can refuse service to someone for just being gay then? And I can ask them about it? You just said the law doesnt protect us from private entities....

And what about murder? So the constitution protects me from the govt murdering me but not from a citizen?
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p1tchblack

Quote from: T Hunt on September 23, 2021, 08:43:12 PMSo we can refuse service to someone for just being gay then? And I can ask them about it? You just said the law doesnt protect us from private entities....

That's not what I said, you dunce.
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T Hunt

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 08:44:44 PMThat's not what I said, you dunce.
Yes you did...

QuoteThe Constitution protects our rights from infringement from the government, not private entities.
"Let's Go Brandon, I agree!"  -Biden

p1tchblack

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