Quote from: WMK on April 05, 2023, 06:35:32 PMLet me be break this down quickly:
A great leader is identified by the level of opposition they're willing to up against and defeat. No one said Trump appointed Birx & Fauci. But what he did have the authority to do was dismiss their asses and have someone like Scott Atlas be the power broker and represent the WH in and out of the public eye.
Do you remember when Barr blatantly stabbed Trump in the back and Trump did nothing?
As for congressional RINOs, as soon as Trump knew he won the election, he should have been focused like a laser beam on the tactical political warfare he would use against them. He should have fought tooth and nail - both publicly & privately - and played some serious hard ball. Now I knew that's what he needed to do and I think you did too. And I cannot believe that Trump did not know or understand this especially. Therefore, I can only conclude he was a paper tiger unable to carry the fight through to legislation! And in personal political conflicts,(firings) Trump had other do the fighting and face the heat quite often.
With all due respect, if you really believe Trump has the nomination won, you'd better start to think real hard about the realities of the unforeseeable. Do you know it's entirely possible to have a gag order put on Trump?, that he could conceivably be taken off the ballots in certain states?    Be careful what you ask for, it may not be what you expected.

So you were the only person with inside knowledge that this was all a lie, that despite the planned assault on the world, you personally knew everyone was lying?
Man, your credibility is plummeting quickly! Claiming Trump should have known he was being lied to yet he pushed  for alternatives while leaving the decision to get the Jabb up to the people was somehow nefarious?

You as well as everyone thought there was a real pandemic, don't lie!
The CCP/UN/NWO/DNC creating a Hollyweird scenario where they were locking people up in asylums and bringing in portable furnaces to dispose of millions of bodies, had an effect on the entire world!

Everyone thought it was real, so cut the bull shit, you were not privy to anything.
That news broke later when the entire hoax was exposed and slowly crept into the public domain.

Trump had zero to do with lockdowns, cities, counties and states did the mandating, the media would repeat stories of forced lockdowns, all illegal, but that didn't matter, the Marxists created the illusion the global majority was in control and you had to do like everyone else, the majority demanded it!

See what happened? The Marxist movement had usurped Trump's power, all he could do was lessen the blow to our nation, then they stole the election.
Trump was a single fireman in a city burning, and with hindsight being 20/20, it's safe to say he did a pretty damn good job in face of the NWO scam to take over the planet.

The communists have had this in the planning stages for decades, you did know this, Right? And somehow Trump is to blame? Give us a fuckin Break!

Quote from: Solar on April 06, 2023, 07:00:37 AMSo you were the only person with inside knowledge that this was all a lie, that despite the planned assault on the world, you personally knew everyone was lying?
Man, your credibility is plummeting quickly! Claiming Trump should have known he was being lied to yet he pushed  for alternatives while leaving the decision to get the Jabb up to the people was somehow nefarious?

You as well as everyone thought there was a real pandemic, don't lie!
The CCP/UN/NWO/DNC creating a Hollyweird scenario where they were locking people up in asylums and bringing in portable furnaces to dispose of millions of bodies, had an effect on the entire world!

Everyone thought it was real, so cut the bull shit, you were not privy to anything.
That news broke later when the entire hoax was exposed and slowly crept into the public domain.

Trump had zero to do with lockdowns, cities, counties and states did the mandating, the media would repeat stories of forced lockdowns, all illegal, but that didn't matter, the Marxists created the illusion the global majority was in control and you had to do like everyone else, the majority demanded it!

See what happened? The Marxist movement had usurped Trump's power, all he could do was lessen the blow to our nation, then they stole the election.
Trump was a single fireman in a city burning, and with hindsight being 20/20, it's safe to say he did a pretty damn good job in face of the NWO scam to take over the planet.

The communists have had this in the planning stages for decades, you did know this, Right? And somehow Trump is to blame? Give us a fuckin Break!

C'mon Solar, you're better than that. COVID was/is real! To deny that is to deny a medical/biological fact. But none really knew what was going on from the onset except many the CCP, Moderna & Pfizer and some other major benefactors. However, as to COVID's severity & treatment, some med-professionals quickly began to see things that weren't making sense early on. Just review the dates of commentaries made by the earliest skeptics -2020.

As for me, I'm merely a born skeptic when it comes to government & media. In the past, I would alway notice how the media would exaggerate about viruses like 'Bird Flu' WN Virus etc, and how they'd always say they "COULD, MIGHT" wreak havoc on society. In the end, it was always BS put out only for rating. Fear & bad news always sells, you know that.
So, when COVID became known I was skeptical about all the drama that was being played out. People begin to believe if they go it, it was a death sentence. I never did believe that, but knew COVID was for real - only lethal to those with comorbidities.
 
Look at my record on this board in 2020. I was defiant then - getting kicked out of stores - and remained defiant! Ironically, In November, after I retired, I caught the Delta Variant, but moved on from there. Never got jabbed, and kept up on the true research data. 
Now as for your theories on Marxism, I've stated for years that, "liberalism, was just a lighter shade of red that would eventually blend perfectly with the flag of Red China.
Other than that, I see what I see and make my judgements accordingly.

Quote from: Possum on April 06, 2023, 05:17:02 AMHate to say it but if you define a leader as great by who they work against, Trump must have been FANTASTIC. He had no friends on capitol hill. One of the biggest complaints about him is that he was a bully. The whole time the russian hoax was going on the rinos sat back and watched. Name me the republicans who tried to get out the truth and the democrats who have paid for their lies. Yeah, I can't think of any either.

Think China sees Trump as a push over? Think NATO sees Trump as a push over? Russia? Mexico? Trump could not just hire who he wanted, when he wanted them. The constitution dictates who has to get congressional approval. Trump had no friends in congress, he had to play the political games just like EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT has had to. One of the points Reagan gets credit for was how well he could work with O'Neil. O'Neil was a damn liberal! Why compromise with him. Well, he had to.

We discussed Barr in the last post, my opinion has not changed since then.

But he did. Sorry but he called out McConnell several times. He came down hard on several rinos in the senate several times. He came down as hard if not harder on rinos than he did on democrats!! They were not his friends.  Same party, but they did not work for Trump. And this is part of what I was saying above, Trump had no friends in Washington. Still does not.

Trump got involved in state elections like no other president ever did. What you are claiming Trump should have done, is exactly what he is known for and despised for by those who see orange man bad..

Did Trump always pick a prefect candidate, again, hate to tell you this, but in politics there are very very few perfect candidates. Hell, there are not that many decent ones. 

Congress did not pick Trump, the American people did. Ever wonder why? Trump put America first. Period! He was tired of professional politicians, the deep state, the U.S. paying for every other damn countries protection while they bitched about the U.S., a border out of control, lost morals, education in the dumps, the list is long my friend and Trump took it all on with NO help. Then came 2020, MORE PEOPLE VOTED FOR TRUMP IN 2020 THAN IN 2016!!! That tells me the American people liked what they saw. Trump had the stock market roaring, unemployment down, no inflation, a wall being built, better employment for minorities ever!, and his biggest accomplishment, he exposed the deep state for what it is. Ever wonder why the left is willing to go to such lengths to get rid of the orange man? Why republicans are willing to let an American presidential election get stolen!!! By the way, are you mad about that one too? Or just happy orange man out of there?

In other posts you complained about the border, do you hold all republicans responsible or just Trump. Lockdowns, do you hold all republicans responsible including DeSantis, or just Trump. On EVERY PROBLEM THIS COUNTRY IS FACING, do you hold anyone responsible or is it just more orange man bad. 



Yes, it is entirely possible we will see a gag order put on Trump. The last thing the left needs is for the truth to get out. Why do you think so many social media outlets censored Americans? What I don't know about the gag order is are you bragging or complaining about a judge issuing it???? I also know it could be possible some states could try to get Trump off the ballots, again, are you bragging or complaining?? BUT AGAIN, on a point you do not seem to agree with me on,

if we were following the constitution we would not be worrying about a gag order, we would not be worrying about states trying to pull Trumps name off the ballot, we would have a border sealed we would not have many of the problems we see today that I have to say ARE NOT TRUMP'S FAULT. Hell he has been the only one trying to fix them. Where are the republicans??

Quote from: WMK on April 06, 2023, 09:01:57 AMC'mon Solar, you're better than that. COVID was/is real! To deny that is to deny a medical/biological fact. But none really knew what was going on from the onset except many the CCP, Moderna & Pfizer and some other major benefactors. However, as to COVID's severity & treatment, some med-professionals quickly began to see things that weren't making sense early on. Just review the dates of commentaries made by the earliest skeptics -2020.

As for me, I'm merely a born skeptic when it comes to government & media. In the past, I would alway notice how the media would exaggerate about viruses like 'Bird Flu' WN Virus etc, and how they'd always say they "COULD, MIGHT" wreak havoc on society. In the end, it was always BS put out only for rating. Fear & bad news always sells, you know that.
So, when COVID became known I was skeptical about all the drama that was being played out. People begin to believe if they go it, it was a death sentence. I never did believe that, but knew COVID was for real - only lethal to those with comorbidities.
 
Look at my record on this board in 2020. I was defiant then - getting kicked out of stores - and remained defiant! Ironically, In November, after I retired, I caught the Delta Variant, but moved on from there. Never got jabbed, and kept up on the true research data. 
Now as for your theories on Marxism, I've stated for years that, "liberalism, was just a lighter shade of red that would eventually blend perfectly with the flag of Red China.
Other than that, I see what I see and make my judgements accordingly.

That in no way excuses your claims about Trump early on. Like all of us, we knew the bug was real, and all we had to go on was news out of the CCP as part of a bigger plan.

Quote from: Possum on April 06, 2023, 05:17:02 AMHate to say it but if you define a leader as great by who they work against, Trump must have been FANTASTIC. He had no friends on capitol hill. One of the biggest complaints about him is that he was a bully. The whole time the russian hoax was going on the rinos sat back and watched. Name me the republicans who tried to get out the truth and the democrats who have paid for their lies. Yeah, I can't think of any either.

Think China sees Trump as a push over? Think NATO sees Trump as a push over? Russia? Mexico? Trump could not just hire who he wanted, when he wanted them. The constitution dictates who has to get congressional approval. Trump had no friends in congress, he had to play the political games just like EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT has had to. One of the points Reagan gets credit for was how well he could work with O'Neil. O'Neil was a damn liberal! Why compromise with him. Well, he had to.

We discussed Barr in the last post, my opinion has not changed since then.

But he did. Sorry but he called out McConnell several times. He came down hard on several rinos in the senate several times. He came down as hard if not harder on rinos than he did on democrats!! They were not his friends.  Same party, but they did not work for Trump. And this is part of what I was saying above, Trump had no friends in Washington. Still does not.

Trump got involved in state elections like no other president ever did. What you are claiming Trump should have done, is exactly what he is known for and despised for by those who see orange man bad..

Did Trump always pick a prefect candidate, again, hate to tell you this, but in politics there are very very few perfect candidates. Hell, there are not that many decent ones. 

Congress did not pick Trump, the American people did. Ever wonder why? Trump put America first. Period! He was tired of professional politicians, the deep state, the U.S. paying for every other damn countries protection while they bitched about the U.S., a border out of control, lost morals, education in the dumps, the list is long my friend and Trump took it all on with NO help. Then came 2020, MORE PEOPLE VOTED FOR TRUMP IN 2020 THAN IN 2016!!! That tells me the American people liked what they saw. Trump had the stock market roaring, unemployment down, no inflation, a wall being built, better employment for minorities ever!, and his biggest accomplishment, he exposed the deep state for what it is. Ever wonder why the left is willing to go to such lengths to get rid of the orange man? Why republicans are willing to let an American presidential election get stolen!!! By the way, are you mad about that one too? Or just happy orange man out of there?

In other posts you complained about the border, do you hold all republicans responsible or just Trump. Lockdowns, do you hold all republicans responsible including DeSantis, or just Trump. On EVERY PROBLEM THIS COUNTRY IS FACING, do you hold anyone responsible or is it just more orange man bad. 



Yes, it is entirely possible we will see a gag order put on Trump. The last thing the left needs is for the truth to get out. Why do you think so many social media outlets censored Americans? What I don't know about the gag order is are you bragging or complaining about a judge issuing it???? I also know it could be possible some states could try to get Trump off the ballots, again, are you bragging or complaining?? BUT AGAIN, on a point you do not seem to agree with me on,

if we were following the constitution we would not be worrying about a gag order, we would not be worrying about states trying to pull Trumps name off the ballot, we would have a border sealed we would not have many of the problems we see today that I have to say ARE NOT TRUMP'S FAULT. Hell he has been the only one trying to fix them. Where are the republicans??

As for great leadership, it's not only the size/scale of the enemy that's faught, it's the victorious outcome achieved. That's because it takes more than rhetoric. It takes high risks; even bloody noses and broken bones, to put it figuratively. And even afterwards, many will still speak evil against them till the day they die. Why? Because it wasn't 'their guy.'

Let me try to respond to the rest of your post by saying this: I have a history on this board from 2020. And in it, you might find just how deep my hatred for RINOs was seated. Now, IMO, their numbers seem to have increased exponentially. Moreover,even on a personal level, some I know as basically, conservative, have been duped to some degree through the COVID scam. My record here will show I never really gave a hoot about what the Democrat Party was up to, but what their 'insiders' aka-RINOs were up to. Today, that sentiment has grown much deeper with me. COVIDSCAM has really hardened me because it has literally, by design, move the cultures of world towards Marxism.  So I'm not cherry-picking as political indictments/criticisms go. I'm COVID conscious and hold those who were positions of real power accountable. First, those that actually knew what was going on -pharma,FDA,CDC,CCP,, then those that did not have the courage to ACT against the propaganda before real damage began to take hold on our citizens.
 As for most of the citizens in this country, I am ashamed at how unwilling they are to stand up and really fight for the freedoms they still have. They've become ignorant and fearful, which is why they're so quick to become, 'compliant'.
And we know what some of the Founders said about those unwilling to FIGHT for their freedom.

 

Quote from: WMK on April 06, 2023, 12:25:48 PMAs for great leadership, it's not only the size/scale of the enemy that's faught, it's the victorious outcome achieved. That's because it takes more than rhetoric. It takes high risks; even bloody noses and broken bones, to put it figuratively. And even afterwards, many will still speak evil against them till the day they die. Why? Because it wasn't 'their guy.'

Not sure what you are trying to say here it's as vague as can be, so I will go at it from this angle. Trump fought everyone in D.C., from congress, both rinos and democrats, from the media, to our enemies, to our allies. What did he achieve? A border that was coming under control for the first time, our allies pitching in their fair share for their defense, China being taxed for all the years of cheating, American manufacturing coming back, peace treaties being signed in the Mideast, WE WERE IN CONTROL OF OUR OWN ENERGY, inflation under control, minorities with the lowest unemployment ever, lowered taxes, stock market record high and as I have said before, he exposed the deep state, the FBI, IRS, for what they were. So tell me, do you not see these accomplishments because Trump was in charge???????? My gut feeling, had DeSantis accomplished half, we would be hearing non stop bragging.

QuoteLet me try to respond to the rest of your post by saying this: I have a history on this board from 2020. And in it, you might find just how deep my hatred for RINOs was seated.

Really, it damn sure doesn't show. All I see is orange man bad. Where in what you have written are you blaming republicans, rinos or even democrats for the mess we are in. MUCH OF THE DAMN MESS WE ARE IN HAPPENED AFTER TRUMP LEFT OFFICE!!!!! All I have seen is orange man bad. Did you get the point Trump did not lockdown a damn thing? DeSantis can not say that. Non of the governors can say that. But Trump is the only one I have seen you blame for the lockdowns.

QuoteNow, IMO, their numbers seem to have increased exponentially. Moreover,even on a personal level, some I know as basically, conservative, have been duped to some degree through the COVID scam.

Who wasn't. This was planned for years. Hillary was supposed to be president, be in her third year. This was for all the marbles, it was planned. Believe it if you want or don't. I don't care. But it adds up. Care to guess how many rights would no longer exist had Trump not come along? Think you would still have your weapons? Your free speech? Your right to travel? Do you really think you would still have your constitution? A damn virus suspended it, Hillary would have rewritten it! Why do you think the masks were mandated? So everyone could see evidence of the "virus" everywhere they went. In Austin there are still nut jobs wearing them.

QuoteMy record here will show I never really gave a hoot about what the Democrat Party was up to,

Well I hate to say it, but that is part of the problem.

Quotebut what their 'insiders' aka-RINOs were up to. Today, that sentiment has grown much deeper with me.

Well, let me ask, does that sentiment concerning rinos ever ask why they did not support Trump? Why did they not give him the border support he needed? Why they were less willing to confirm Trump's appointees to the SCOTUS but had no problem supporting the damn radicals Obama and Biden appointed? Why they were afraid to stand up to China? Why they sat still the whole time the russian hoax was going on? Why most were for lockdowns?   

QuoteCOVIDSCAM has really hardened me because it has literally, by design, move the cultures of world towards Marxism.  So I'm not cherry-picking as political indictments/criticisms go. I'm COVID conscious and hold those who were positions of real power accountable. First, those that actually knew what was going on -pharma,FDA,CDC,CCP,, then those that did not have the courage to ACT against the propaganda before real damage began to take hold on our citizens.

Close but no cigar. It was the world, the democrat party, the rinos who were already moving towards marxism who created covid, not the other way around.  Hillary was supposed to be president and this was planned. It can not be said enough. Trump saved our butt. He did not see it from the beginning, but once he did he took the steps to stop it. WHY DO YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATS HATE HIM SO MUCH? I am not talking about democrats you may know, I am talking about the democrats who want us to be a damn socialist/marxist country. They invested millions, and Trump stopped it. We were set up to have wave after wave of new covids, of monkey pox, all to keep lockdowns going, all to change THE WAY WE VOTE!!!!!!!!!! Hell, we all know it was not anywhere near as serious as we were told, so why is this administration still pushing for the jab???????

QuoteAs for most of the citizens in this country, I am ashamed at how unwilling they are to stand up and really fight for the freedoms they still have. They've become ignorant and fearful, which is why they're so quick to become, 'compliant'.
And we know what some of the Founders said about those unwilling to FIGHT for their freedom.

The only places I see what you are talking about is in the democratic hell holes that the democrats created. Not so for the rest of the country. People were scared, I get that, they are not now, nor will they be fooled again. There will be no lock downs again, not because politicians won't do it, but because the people will not allow it. You under estimate the American people. Trump believes in them, and so do millions of Americans.

Quote from: Possum on April 06, 2023, 01:30:18 PMNot sure what you are trying to say here it's as vague as can be, so I will go at it from this angle. Trump fought everyone in D.C., from congress, both rinos and democrats, from the media, to our enemies, to our allies. What did he achieve? A border that was coming under control for the first time, our allies pitching in their fair share for their defense, China being taxed for all the years of cheating, American manufacturing coming back, peace treaties being signed in the Mideast, WE WERE IN CONTROL OF OUR OWN ENERGY, inflation under control, minorities with the lowest unemployment ever, lowered taxes, stock market record high and as I have said before, he exposed the deep state, the FBI, IRS, for what they were. So tell me, do you not see these accomplishments because Trump was in charge???????? My gut feeling, had DeSantis accomplished half, we would be hearing non stop bragging.


WMK: Great strides were made under Trump's leadership. And being self employed, I appreciated that even more. But those achievements Trump did create made it even more difficult for me to accept the fact that he was lethargic in amending his blunders; providing Birx & Fauci daily national formats, having novices like Jared Kushner & wife as closest advisors, having Pence oversee the healthcare teamm, etc. etc.  You can't count on that  kind of team at critical junctures.


Really, it damn sure doesn't show. All I see is orange man bad. Where in what you have written are you blaming republicans, rinos or even democrats for the mess we are in. MUCH OF THE DAMN MESS WE ARE IN HAPPENED AFTER TRUMP LEFT OFFICE!!!!! All I have seen is orange man bad. Did you get the point Trump did not lockdown a damn thing? DeSantis can not say that. Non of the governors can say that. But Trump is the only one I have seen you blame for the lockdowns.

WMK; In May of 2020, Trump criticized R-governors for opening up too quickly. DeSantis did so around the same time, but incrementally, more like Trump suggested.
Trump is the topic of conservation here, maybe that's why I'm focused mainly on him? Besides, Trump was the only one on my side who could have been a tour de force, had he been a mensch.


WMK - You're gonna hear what you wanna hear no matter what I actually say. So have at. For me, the more I experience the misery brought on by Biden's policies, the more I wanna slap Trump in the head for that lousy performance in that first debate with Biden at such a critical juncture. I felt I fought harder for his 2nd term than he did.

Who wasn't. This was planned for years. Hillary was supposed to be president, be in her third year. This was for all the marbles, it was planned. Believe it if you want or don't. I don't care. But it adds up. Care to guess how many rights would no longer exist had Trump not come along? Think you would still have your weapons? Your free speech? Your right to travel? Do you really think you would still have your constitution? A damn virus suspended it, Hillary would have rewritten it! Why do you think the masks were mandated? So everyone could see evidence of the "virus" everywhere they went. In Austin there are still nut jobs wearing them.

Well I hate to say it, but that is part of the problem.

Well, let me ask, does that sentiment concerning rinos ever ask why they did not support Trump? Why did they not give him the border support he needed? Why they were less willing to confirm Trump's appointees to the SCOTUS but had no problem supporting the damn radicals Obama and Biden appointed? Why they were afraid to stand up to China? Why they sat still the whole time the russian hoax was going on? Why most were for lockdowns?   

 but no cigar. It was the world, the democrat party, the rinos who were already moving towards marxism who created covid, not the other way around.  Hillary was supposed to be president and this was planned. It can not be said enough. Trump saved our butt. He did not see it from the beginning, but once he did he took the steps to stop it. WHY DO YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATS HATE HIM SO MUCH? I am not talking about democrats you may know, I am talking about the democrats who want us to be a damn socialist/marxist country. They invested millions, and Trump stopped it. We were set up to have wave after wave of new covids, of monkey pox, all to keep lockdowns going, all to change THE WAY WE VOTE!!!!!!!!!! Hell, we all know it was not anywhere near as serious as we were told, so why is this administration still pushing for the jab???????


WMK - Did you ever stop to think that, at its core, all the bad actors and their plans you mentioned above are the fault of the American voter? Why are so many RINOs in office for so long in so called conservative states? Right now, there's only one conservative state in the Union that really stands out -Florida.





The only places I see what you are talking about is in the democratic hell holes that the democrats created. Not so for the rest of the country. People were scared, I get that, they are not now, nor will they be fooled again. There will be no lock downs again, not because politicians won't do it, but because the people will not allow it. You under estimate the American people. Trump believes in them, and so do millions of Americans.

WMK - I wish I had your optomism, but I don't. My hope is that enough true conservatives in this country will eventually band together into red states and take control of state legislatures. And from there, separate themselves from the Federal govt.
As for Trump believing in the American people, you're not going to like hearing this, but his abandonment of those 'true believer' (Jan. 6th) that have been locked away for his cause for 2 years - like in China - fills me with contempt. Even now, to my knowledge he hasn't made public outcries or offered to pay or raise significant funds for top notch legal counsel. He should be opening his rallies by saluting & remembering their loyalty & patriotism. And he should remind each and every attendee to voice their outrage by calling their reps.  My blood boils when I think of all that these forgotten patriots have gone through, and what many will be facing.

Quote from: WMK on April 06, 2023, 09:33:11 PM

QuoteWMK - I wish I had your optomism, but I don't. My hope is that enough true conservatives in this country will eventually band together into red states and take control of state legislatures. And from there, separate themselves from the Federal govt.
As for Trump believing in the American people, you're not going to like hearing this, but his abandonment of those 'true believer' (Jan. 6th) that have been locked away for his cause for 2 years - like in China - fills me with contempt. Even now, to my knowledge he hasn't made public outcries or offered to pay or raise significant funds for top notch legal counsel. He should be opening his rallies by saluting & remembering their loyalty & patriotism. And he should remind each and every attendee to voice their outrage by calling their reps.  My blood boils when I think of all that these forgotten patriots have gone through, and what many will be facing.

And does that contempt spill over to the actual parties involved? You know like the democrats who had them arrested? The ones actually holding them in jail? The police who opened the doors to let them in the capitol? The FBI agents who encouraged them to "follow" them inside? Lots of people to blame here besides orange man bad.

Just out of curiosity, do the republican know about this? Where are they. Well a quick search says they are going to get to the bottom of this. You do know they have some power, they control the house now. What are we waiting for????

Hate to tell you this, Trump is just one man who is no longer the president. According to our constitution, he has as much power as every other citizen. He has said several times as soon as he gets back in office he will issue a pardon for everyone of them, other than that he has no power, it is up to those in charge.

They are not in jail for lack of money, lack of an attorney. They are in jail because the democrats want them there. The democrats want you to see what can/will happen when they are on control. Have to ask, why are you not outraged that those in power in this country have so little regard for the constitution?? EVERY PROBLEM WE HAVE DISCUSSED WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF THE GOVERNMENT HAD FOLLOWED THE CONSTITUTION!!! Something to think about if you ever get over your "orange man bad" disease.

On the other part, I would not say I am a optimist, but I damn sure am not blind to it either. And part of what you are wishing for is coming true, red states are becoming redder. Texas is slowly becoming almost a little bit conservative or better put, it is moving further away from liberalism. Florida is solid red, hopefully it is not just a one man show, and I see other states moving in that direction.

More proof, countries in Europe are moving away from the crackpots of liberalism.

Don't forget, the democrats have to cheat to win an election for dog catcher. Trump exposed them, the people see it. They see the difference between all the success we had under Trump and all the failures under the democrats. Covid was more of a plan than a disease, TRUMP ruined the plan for them. Trump and Trump only. Want to brag DeSantis opened Florida, THANK TRUMP. He was the one calling for reopening long before anyone else.

I have listed several of Trump's accomplishments in other posts, you have not acknowledged one of them. Why?

Quote from: Possum on April 07, 2023, 04:30:14 AMAnd does that contempt spill over to the actual parties involved? You know like the democrats who had them arrested? The ones actually holding them in jail? The police who opened the doors to let them in the capitol? The FBI agents who encouraged them to "follow" them inside? Lots of people to blame here besides orange man bad.

Just out of curiosity, do the republican know about this? Where are they. Well a quick search says they are going to get to the bottom of this. You do know they have some power, they control the house now. What are we waiting for????

Hate to tell you this, Trump is just one man who is no longer the president. According to our constitution, he has as much power as every other citizen. He has said several times as soon as he gets back in office he will issue a pardon for everyone of them, other than that he has no power, it is up to those in charge.

They are not in jail for lack of money, lack of an attorney. They are in jail because the democrats want them there. The democrats want you to see what can/will happen when they are on control. Have to ask, why are you not outraged that those in power in this country have so little regard for the constitution?? EVERY PROBLEM WE HAVE DISCUSSED WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF THE GOVERNMENT HAD FOLLOWED THE CONSTITUTION!!! Something to think about if you ever get over your "orange man bad" disease.

On the other part, I would not say I am a optimist, but I damn sure am not blind to it either. And part of what you are wishing for is coming true, red states are becoming redder. Texas is slowly becoming almost a little bit conservative or better put, it is moving further away from liberalism. Florida is solid red, hopefully it is not just a one man show, and I see other states moving in that direction.

More proof, countries in Europe are moving away from the crackpots of liberalism.

Don't forget, the democrats have to cheat to win an election for dog catcher. Trump exposed them, the people see it. They see the difference between all the success we had under Trump and all the failures under the democrats. Covid was more of a plan than a disease, TRUMP ruined the plan for them. Trump and Trump only. Want to brag DeSantis opened Florida, THANK TRUMP. He was the one calling for reopening long before anyone else.

I have listed several of Trump's accomplishments in other posts, you have not acknowledged one of them. Why?

First of all, let's get some perspective here. You're attempting to compare my lack of judgement of all those other traitorous politicos/bureaucrats; democrats, RINOs, FBI, etc., in with that of Trump. This juxtaposition is inaccurate. The enemies actions were criminal and offensive in nature, while my criticisms of Trump reflect his defensive posture.
Leftists who perpetrated the murderous Jan.6th scheme are the OBVIOUS enemy, so their complicity in this is at a whole different level. 
But Trump is the man I voted for, twice. An ally. So  I anticipated that he especially would wage an incessant, rigorous public defense for MAGA patriots by whatever means necessary.
He's a billionaire! He still has a huge platform/megaphone at his disposal when ever he wants; a plethora of conservative platforms from which to speak truth to power and raise money.
Those patriots put it all on the line for Trump and no one else. Some even to the point of being MURDERED! That kind of loyalty deserves the upmost recognition and defense. 

Quote from: WMK on April 07, 2023, 09:32:00 AMFirst of all, let's get some perspective here. You're attempting to compare my lack of judgement of all those other traitorous politicos/bureaucrats; democrats, RINOs, FBI, etc., in with that of Trump. This juxtaposition is inaccurate. The enemies actions were criminal and offensive in nature, while my criticisms of Trump reflect his defensive posture.
Leftists who perpetrated the murderous Jan.6th scheme are the OBVIOUS enemy, so their complicity in this is at a whole different level. 
But Trump is the man I voted for, twice. An ally. So  I anticipated that he especially would wage an incessant, rigorous public defense for MAGA patriots by whatever means necessary.
He's a billionaire! He still has a huge platform/megaphone at his disposal when ever he wants; a plethora of conservative platforms from which to speak truth to power and raise money.
Those patriots put it all on the line for Trump and no one else. Some even to the point of being MURDERED! That kind of loyalty deserves the upmost recognition and defense. 

Yes, he is a billionaire.  This isn't about money. Those still in jail are not there because they need money, or lawyers, like I have pointed out before, they are there because that is where the democrats want them. They are the product of what to expect every time the democrats are in power. This is not a question of not having bail money, the court and the D.A. will not release them.

Trump does talk about them at his rallies. He talks about the total injustice that has occurred. He promised to pardon every one when re-elected president. But right now, Trump is just an American citizen, just like you and me. The constitution was written that way. Trump talks about them on Truth Social. But unless you are keeping up with Trump, you will not know what he is doing. The media damn sure will not promote it. The republicans will not promote it mainly because it exposes the fact they are doing nothing.

Let me ask another question, what do you think would happen if Trump told his followers "Let's go get the Jan.6th prisoners out of jail"? What do you think would happen if any of them showed up? The media would have a field day and the police would arrest all of them.

Your right, one of the patriots and a veteran was murdered. The policeman who shot her had not even been interrogated as of a couple of months ago, and I guess he still has not. Trump can not interrogate him. He can not force the D.C.  D.A. to do his job. Trump is not president right now. By the way, this is all part of the deep state that Trump exposed and was ridiculed for. Still is.

There are people in power who have the constitutional power to do something here.  Here is one real interesting fact from those IN POWER RIGHT NOW WHO COULD DO SOMETHING. On March 7th of this year, republicans have finally asked for the release of the prisoners. What took so long? Trump does not have the authority to ask anything of the D.A.   

Oh, one point I need to argue with you on, the patriots put it on the line because they love this country. They have a real problem with an election being stolen and the ones who could have stopped it, did not. Yes, Trump was president, but had he lost fair and square, those protesters would not have been there.