Quote from: WMK on April 03, 2023, 03:23:44 PMI vote by what an individual in office has actually accomplished as an executive. He's gotta' be metal-tested in a big way for me to give him, 'street cred'. Trump, runs a distant 2nd in that category, IMO.

Second To Who?

Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2023, 08:34:01 PMSecond To Who?

Gov. Ron DeSantis

Quote from: WMK on April 04, 2023, 09:44:09 AMGov. Ron DeSantis

The RINO?      
Have you even bothered to look and see who his backers are?

Quote from: Possum on April 03, 2023, 04:33:11 PMIt's hard to answer vague questions. Basically all I see in your posts is "orange man bad", pretty hard to respond to that.

Trump walked into a situation where the F.B.I., the I.R.S, were doing the dirty work for the democrats. The LSM had become the third arm for the democrat party. D.C. was nothing more than one huge good old boy network, and the government had trashed the constitution long ago.

But I see in your posts the same thing I hear from Rinos and leftist, don't blame all of the government overreach that had been going on for decades, don't blame the corrupt politicians, don't even look at all the ones who become millionaires while on government payroll, don't even talk about all the corruption under the table, all the lies that were on the LSM every night projected as the truth, instead look at the orange man. Really hard to take you seriously.

Let me ask, do you really believe covid just happened? Do you not know this was planned for years? The left, along with the rinos, had all their little ducks in a row, all the liberal governors and mayors lined up to demand shutdowns. Fauci and his cronies had the media holding them up as if they were the only hope we had to get out of this alive.

And out of all of this, Trump got the country back on track, heading in the right direction before Biden screwed everything up.  The only perfect storm here was the way the left convinced the world we were doomed and the government had to take over. Which is why as I said in another post, you can not have a discussion about the covid episode without discussing the need for politicians to uphold the constitution.

On a side note, if you expect people on this board to respond, when you make accusations, give examples of what you are talking about. Trump was not king, unlike other politicians he did know we have a constitution and as such,, there were limits in what he could do. 

Possum, you can't seem to break away from the group-think "orange man bad" rhetoric because it's starting to appear that MAGA is becoming a cult; everyone that has ANY criticism about Trump is automatically the enemy. I'm probably to right of you, yet you respond to me as if I'm a leftist. Ok, fine. It is what it is, and I'm a big boy. But don't get offended when I ask specific and obvious questions about a leader's r-e-c-o-r-d compared to his claims, then say it's vague.
Trump did not lose his 2nd term, he gave it away! Trump should have grabbed the reigns  from day one and chosen hard core conservatives for all his posts, not family members, or politicos with an alternative agenda. But he failed there miserably either because he lacks political instinct, and/or can't discern  true conservatism from a counterfeit. This characteristic was absolutely essential to put the necessary political pressure on any who selected to oppose him from the onset - Paul Ryan & RINOs. This is who his really enemy always was, but he didn't have the necessary courage to wage the type of warfare needed to put the fear for their political lives in their minds. How could Trump not know his first term would not be complete political warfare??? You and I knew it. Why didn't he of all people know it?
  In the end, for me at least, his rhetoric far exceeded his actions as POTUS. Yet, I voted for him again because I knew what is happening now was inevitable with CCP controlled POTUS. 
As for Trump and covid? The same MO -choosing enemies instead of allies.

Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2023, 10:15:01 AMThe RINO?      
Have you even bothered to look and see who his backers are?

Backers are one thing and a person's track record is another. DeSantis has governed like no other conservative I've seen, and I'll include Reagan's governance of California in that.  And he's done so in one of the most significant States in our Union. Moreover, the level of his accomplishments are beginning to set a trajectory across the conservative landscape in the U.S. Fla., (Once purple) is now the most conservative state in our Union.

There are bad actors around EVERYONE who has aspirations to organize or hold powerful positions. It was the downfall of the tea party and it broke my heart because I thought it a winning formula. But, they are a necessary evil because the 'mother's milk of politics' is a reality. So I only have 'the record' to trust as tangible proof.

Quote from: WMK on April 04, 2023, 11:23:34 AMBackers are one thing and a person's track record is another. DeSantis has governed like no other conservative I've seen, and I'll include Reagan's governance of California in that.  And he's done so in one of the most significant States in our Union. Moreover, the level of his accomplishments are beginning to set a trajectory across the conservative landscape in the U.S. Fla., (Once purple) is now the most conservative state in our Union.

There are bad actors around EVERYONE who has aspirations to organize or hold powerful positions. It was the downfall of the tea party and it broke my heart because I thought it a winning formula. But, they are a necessary evil because the 'mother's milk of politics' is a reality. So I only have 'the record' to trust as tangible proof.

I've been following him for sometime now, and most of what he does is for exposure.
He is a well crafted product, he is aligned with a solid backing of Establishment hacks, no real Conservatives back him.
And yeah, Reagan was my Gov, and a lousy one at that. Raised our taxes, banned open carry, and a myriad of other leftist causes.
So I wouldn't compare DeSantis to Reagan, Reagan came about his Conservatism on his own through a period of personal growth, as shown by his quotes later in life.

What would you say if the likes of Bush, Cheney, Koch and a myriad of other known leftists backed Trump, would that not raise alarms?
It certainly does for me.

Quote from: WMK on April 04, 2023, 10:40:03 AMPossum, you can't seem to break away from the group-think "orange man bad" rhetoric because it's starting to appear that MAGA is becoming a cult; everyone that has ANY criticism about Trump is automatically the enemy.

Sorry, that ain't going to fly here. There were very few people on this forum who were Trump backers. I definitely was not one of them. I never saw and still do not see Trump as a conservative.

What I do see from your posts is you do not go into specifics, saying Trump appointed bad people, ok great, who? we probably agree on who you see as bad. Then the question is did Trump have to run this person by congress. Trump was not king, and whether he wanted to or not, there were politics to play.

The main reason I did not want Trump was the fact it was shaping up to be Trump vs. 535 congressmen. Cruz might have had more support, don't know. Real hard to get something done against those odds. Add to that he FBI was against him, not only against him they were conspiring against him, the IRS, every time the news came on it seems like another case for the IRS to look into Trump's taxes, again.. and even those who hated Trump should be able to see what he was up against. Here's one question, why were the democrats, the rino's the FBI, IRS, so willing to lie to take Trump down?

QuoteI'm probably to right of you, yet you respond to me as if I'm a leftist. Ok, fine. It is what it is, and I'm a big boy. But don't get offended when I ask specific and obvious questions about a leader's r-e-c-o-r-d compared to his claims, then say it's vague.

I haven't seen one specific question yet. Here is what I am talking about, "" I ask specific and obvious questions about a leader's r-e-c-o-r-d compared to his claims, then say it's vague"".
 OK, what part of his record ARE you talking about. How am I or anyone else to respond to something that vague? I see that kind of generalization all the time, sorry to say it but the whole group that talks in those terms are the "orange man bad crowd" I can't even say I disagree with what you are posting, because I do not know the specifics, there is a damn good chance I would agree with you, again.

QuoteTrump did not lose his 2nd term, he gave it away!

Sorry, Trump was well on his way to winning. The left had to stop counting in five states to reset the computers, the left had to rely on thousands of ballots that should never had been allowed in the first place. States had their rules changed by governors and by judges, both of which are unconstitutional. This election was stolen, it was not the first, and probably will not be the last.

QuoteTrump should have grabbed the reigns  from day one and chosen hard core conservatives for all his posts, not family members, or politicos with an alternative agenda. But he failed there miserably either because he lacks political instinct, and/or can't discern  true conservatism from a counterfeit. This characteristic was absolutely essential to put the necessary political pressure on any who selected to oppose him from the onset - Paul Ryan & RINOs. This is who his really enemy always was, but he didn't have the necessary courage to wage the type of warfare needed to put the fear for their political lives in their minds. How could Trump not know his first term would not be complete political warfare??? You and I knew it. Why didn't he of all people know it?

Again, Trump was not a conservative, why do you expect him to nominate only conservatives? First off, hate to say it but there just are not that many conservatives. Second, many positions have to be approved by congress, the rino's in congress were not going to give him everything he wanted.

Again, Trump was not elected King, there were limits on what and who he could get for one, for two, to put the kind of pressure on those who oppose him he needed a whole lot more conservatives than were there at the time he got elected. The rino's in congress always seemed to take pride in going against Trump, best example I ever saw were the damn rino's in the senate when they had the chance to confirm the SCOTUS nominees. If there is one item Trump learned from his first term, I hope he learned unfortunately you can not run the country like a CEO runs a business.

Here's a question for you, did Cruz stand a chance to get elected? Would McCain or Romney been a good president? I ask, because face it or not, until Trump, we have only seem to be able to run rinos. There is a major part of the problem. Trump may not be a conservative, but in no way shape or form is he a rino. Trump is first and foremost America first.   And oh yeah, Cruz did not stand a chance.



 

QuoteIn the end, for me at least, his rhetoric far exceeded his actions as POTUS. Yet, I voted for him again because I knew what is happening now was inevitable with CCP controlled POTUS. 
As for Trump and covid? The same MO -choosing enemies instead of allies.

I don't think Trump chose any of those who were "in charge" of handling covid. I do believe Trump was blind sided as many were on what happened. Do I agree with you Trump should have fired them, absolutely from day one, once covid hit that option was off the table and the country was going to ride it out.

Should he have cleaned house at the FBI, absolutely, but he could not have pulled it off while he was under investigation, politically I mean. We learned a lot, number one, the constitution and the constitution only should be recognized for where the governments power comes from, we let a damn virus take away rights. the government let it, the people let it, and it will happen again if we do not fix it.

 And yeah, the rhetoric gets old. Trump has the republican primary won. He does not have to get in to a p-ssing match with anyone. We have far greater enemies to fight. 

Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2023, 11:37:56 AMI've been following him for sometime now, and most of what he does is for exposure.
He is a well crafted product, he is aligned with a solid backing of Establishment hacks, no real Conservatives back him.
And yeah, Reagan was my Gov, and a lousy one at that. Raised our taxes, banned open carry, and a myriad of other leftist causes.
So I wouldn't compare DeSantis to Reagan, Reagan came about his Conservatism on his own through a period of personal growth, as shown by his quotes later in life.

What would you say if the likes of Bush, Cheney, Koch and a myriad of other known leftists backed Trump, would that not raise alarms?
It certainly does for me.

DeSantis is a true believer at heart. That's why he knows how to pick allies in positions of power. And if they don't toe the line, they're either neutralized or gone. Just ask the AG of Fla. You don't accomplish what he did as a conservative in a purple state of that magnitude without being sharp, knowledgeable and having the courage of your convictions to execute your agenda.  The great irony here is, that he was backed by Trump to become Gov. of Fla. If he's "aligned" with establishment hacks, yet governs the way he did as Fla. Governor, then I have even more respect for him. Cause the crew you mentioned are grifters and and corporate evil personified.

Reagan was no DeSantis as Gov. because he was pragmatic when dealing with libs.in the stat of CA. But I loved what he accomplished as POTUS especially in his first term. When it really counted, he proved to be a mensch. Still the best POTUS since I've been voting!
With Trumps past and who he's been aligned with, it would not be a shocker. I already knew who Trump to be the quintessential NY'er and knew what kind of president he was likely to be, so I stuck with Cruz until it became obvious that Trump would be the nominee. After that, I never gave voting for Trump a second thought. I knew he would still be much better than Hilary. 

Quote from: WMK on April 04, 2023, 07:51:35 PMDeSantis is a true believer at heart. That's why he knows how to pick allies in positions of power. And if they don't toe the line, they're either neutralized or gone. Just ask the AG of Fla. You don't accomplish what he did as a conservative in a purple state of that magnitude without being sharp, knowledgeable and having the courage of your convictions to execute your agenda.  The great irony here is, that he was backed by Trump to become Gov. of Fla. If he's "aligned" with establishment hacks, yet governs the way he did as Fla. Governor, then I have even more respect for him. Cause the crew you mentioned are grifters and and corporate evil personified.

Reagan was no DeSantis as Gov. because he was pragmatic when dealing with libs.in the stat of CA. But I loved what he accomplished as POTUS especially in his first term. When it really counted, he proved to be a mensch. Still the best POTUS since I've been voting!
With Trumps past and who he's been aligned with, it would not be a shocker. I already knew who Trump to be the quintessential NY'er and knew what kind of president he was likely to be, so I stuck with Cruz until it became obvious that Trump would be the nominee. After that, I never gave voting for Trump a second thought. I knew he would still be much better than Hilary. 

DeSantis is where he is, because Fl Legislature is in solid Conservative hands.
I'm not saying he's another Scott Walker, but none of wat happened in Florida came from DeSantis.
He does as he's told, he's no dummy and because of it, is the sole beneficiary.

I like he guy, but I also don't trust him because of his list of backers, all of which are Mini Marxists.
But there is the one huge issue that proves he is not in it for the Nation.
His need to play spoiler in a race to save the Nation and you're helping in their cause.

DeSantis has but one option if he wants to remain politically viable, back Trump and run for himself in 08.
I don't think you grasp the severity of the situation we're in. Trump saved the Nation, only to have the communists steal the election, and here you are, backing a movement designed to keep the left in power.
It's not going to happen. Note the timeline of support.

Oh, and I missed responding to another comment you made earlier. TEA Never died.
TEA is a movement designed for cohesion, it was never to be a political movement.
We, this forum, Is TEA, that will never change.

Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2023, 08:11:58 PM







https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/gop-ppp-0402/

Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2023, 06:08:42 AMDeSantis is where he is, because Fl Legislature is in solid Conservative hands.
I'm not saying he's another Scott Walker, but none of wat happened in Florida came from DeSantis.
He does as he's told, he's no dummy and because of it, is the sole beneficiary.

I like he guy, but I also don't trust him because of his list of backers, all of which are Mini Marxists.
But there is the one huge issue that proves he is not in it for the Nation.
His need to play spoiler in a race to save the Nation and you're helping in their cause.

DeSantis has but one option if he wants to remain politically viable, back Trump and run for himself in 08.
I don't think you grasp the severity of the situation we're in. Trump saved the Nation, only to have the communists steal the election, and here you are, backing a movement designed to keep the left in power.
It's not going to happen. Note the timeline of support.

Oh, and I missed responding to another comment you made earlier. TEA Never died.
TEA is a movement designed for cohesion, it was never to be a political movement.
We, this forum, Is TEA, that will never change.

Sorry Solar, that comes off to me as more conspiratorial than anything else. Moreover, the most aggressive Marxist move ever made in this country was the execution of the mandates & lockdowns!
And though DeSantis even did a short shutdown, he adroitly educated himself and began to shatter the shackles of marxism. Ever since, he's taken the mantle and ACTIVELY led the charge against covidstan, and every other leftist entity currently crippling the nation. You saw what he did to that DA? That's what Trump should have done everyday of the week! There are just too many big deeds DeSantis has done to believe he's merely a pseudo-conservative. 
Aside: Now, I'm not saying it''s "guaranteed that DeSantis can't change...say like Scott Walker?. But I still have to bank on what I see -on several major issues - as a consistent pattern.

Quote from: Possum on April 04, 2023, 01:04:37 PMSorry, that ain't going to fly here. There were very few people on this forum who were Trump backers. I definitely was not one of them. I never saw and still do not see Trump as a conservative.

What I do see from your posts is you do not go into specifics, saying Trump appointed bad people, ok great, who? we probably agree on who you see as bad. Then the question is did Trump have to run this person by congress. Trump was not king, and whether he wanted to or not, there were politics to play.

The main reason I did not want Trump was the fact it was shaping up to be Trump vs. 535 congressmen. Cruz might have had more support, don't know. Real hard to get something done against those odds. Add to that he FBI was against him, not only against him they were conspiring against him, the IRS, every time the news came on it seems like another case for the IRS to look into Trump's taxes, again.. and even those who hated Trump should be able to see what he was up against. Here's one question, why were the democrats, the rino's the FBI, IRS, so willing to lie to take Trump down?

I haven't seen one specific question yet. Here is what I am talking about, "" I ask specific and obvious questions about a leader's r-e-c-o-r-d compared to his claims, then say it's vague"".
 OK, what part of his record ARE you talking about. How am I or anyone else to respond to something that vague? I see that kind of generalization all the time, sorry to say it but the whole group that talks in those terms are the "orange man bad crowd" I can't even say I disagree with what you are posting, because I do not know the specifics, there is a damn good chance I would agree with you, again.

Sorry, Trump was well on his way to winning. The left had to stop counting in five states to reset the computers, the left had to rely on thousands of ballots that should never had been allowed in the first place. States had their rules changed by governors and by judges, both of which are unconstitutional. This election was stolen, it was not the first, and probably will not be the last.


Again, Trump was not a conservative, why do you expect him to nominate only conservatives? First off, hate to say it but there just are not that many conservatives. Second, many positions have to be approved by congress, the rino's in congress were not going to give him everything he wanted.

Again, Trump was not elected King, there were limits on what and who he could get for one, for two, to put the kind of pressure on those who oppose him he needed a whole lot more conservatives than were there at the time he got elected. The rino's in congress always seemed to take pride in going against Trump, best example I ever saw were the damn rino's in the senate when they had the chance to confirm the SCOTUS nominees. If there is one item Trump learned from his first term, I hope he learned unfortunately you can not run the country like a CEO runs a business.

Here's a question for you, did Cruz stand a chance to get elected? Would McCain or Romney been a good president? I ask, because face it or not, until Trump, we have only seem to be able to run rinos. There is a major part of the problem. Trump may not be a conservative, but in no way shape or form is he a rino. Trump is first and foremost America first.  And oh yeah, Cruz did not stand a chance.



 
I don't think Trump chose any of those who were "in charge" of handling covid. I do believe Trump was blind sided as many were on what happened. Do I agree with you Trump should have fired them, absolutely from day one, once covid hit that option was off the table and the country was going to ride it out.

Should he have cleaned house at the FBI, absolutely, but he could not have pulled it off while he was under investigation, politically I mean. We learned a lot, number one, the constitution and the constitution only should be recognized for where the governments power comes from, we let a damn virus take away rights. the government let it, the people let it, and it will happen again if we do not fix it.

 And yeah, the rhetoric gets old. Trump has the republican primary won. He does not have to get in to a p-ssing match with anyone. We have far greater enemies to fight. 

Possum - Sorry, that ain't going to fly here. There were very few people on this forum who were Trump backers. I definitely was not one of them. I never saw and still do not see Trump as a conservative.
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WMK - You answered your own question as to why Trump was so oblivious in his selection and/or dispatching  of people like Kushner,
Bill Barr, Comey, Birx, Fauci etc.  It was because Trump himself was never grounded in conservatism and never understood the importance of its principles for establishing a more loyal, experienced ,cohesive entourage  (strike force) to execute his agenda.
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Possum - OK, what part of his record ARE you talking about. How am I or anyone else to respond to something that vague? I see that kind of generalization all the time, sorry to say it but the whole group that talks in those terms are the "orange man bad crowd" I can't even say I disagree with what you are posting, because I do not know the specifics, there is a damn good chance I would agree with you, again.
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WMK - What happened to Obamacare?
Where's the wall?
What happened to our economy?
What's the National Guard for?


What in the world happened to all those gains that Trump did accomplish via executive order?I'll tell you what happened, POTUS did not have the heart or the courage it took to do what was necessary to preserve them or his presidency. He didn't even have the wherewithal to take a semi-coherent Biden out in a pivotal reelect debate.

Aside:  I do believe the election was stolen from Trump. But that environment was spurred on by projecting subversive covid policies - WH healthcare czars = and senseless garble uttered by POTUS on matter about lockdowns & mandates - rebuking governors who 'opened up too early'

Yep, corruption through mail-in/absentee voting never had such a fertile environment on which to thrive.

Quote from: WMK on April 05, 2023, 09:55:11 AMSorry Solar, that comes off to me as more conspiratorial than anything else. Moreover, the most aggressive Marxist move ever made in this country was the execution of the mandates & lockdowns!
And though DeSantis even did a short shutdown, he adroitly educated himself and began to shatter the shackles of marxism. Ever since, he's taken the mantle and ACTIVELY led the charge against covidstan, and every other leftist entity currently crippling the nation. You saw what he did to that DA? That's what Trump should have done everyday of the week! There are just too many big deeds DeSantis has done to believe he's merely a pseudo-conservative. 
Aside: Now, I'm not saying it''s "guaranteed that DeSantis can't change...say like Scott Walker?. But I still have to bank on what I see -on several major issues - as a consistent pattern.

Again, you ignore the force behind DeSantis. It is the Legislature, DeSantis would be nothing if not for the Fl Legislature.
The Establishment found the perfect home to groom their guy, because they hate Trump that much.

This is not conspiratorial, this is standard RINO policy, we've seen it for decades.
Reagan/Bush, Trump/Pence, all RINO plants pushed onto actual Conservatives in places of power, and now they're pushing DeSantis as a spoiler to keep trump out of the WH.

Like I said, if you've learned nothing over the decades, always follow the money, Marxist money!

Quote from: WMK on April 05, 2023, 10:43:37 AMPossum - Sorry, that ain't going to fly here. There were very few people on this forum who were Trump backers. I definitely was not one of them. I never saw and still do not see Trump as a conservative.
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WMK - You answered your own question as to why Trump was so oblivious in his selection and/or dispatching  of people like Kushner,
Bill Barr, Comey, Birx, Fauci etc.  It was because Trump himself was never grounded in conservatism and never understood the importance of its principles for establishing a more loyal, experienced ,cohesive entourage  (strike force) to execute his agenda.
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Possum - OK, what part of his record ARE you talking about. How am I or anyone else to respond to something that vague? I see that kind of generalization all the time, sorry to say it but the whole group that talks in those terms are the "orange man bad crowd" I can't even say I disagree with what you are posting, because I do not know the specifics, there is a damn good chance I would agree with you, again.
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WMK - What happened to Obamacare?
Where's the wall?
What happened to our economy?
What's the National Guard for?


What in the world happened to all those gains that Trump did accomplish via executive order?I'll tell you what happened, POTUS did not have the heart or the courage it took to do what was necessary to preserve them or his presidency. He didn't even have the wherewithal to take a semi-coherent Biden out in a pivotal reelect debate.

Aside:  I do believe the election was stolen from Trump. But that environment was spurred on by projecting subversive covid policies - WH healthcare czars = and senseless garble uttered by POTUS on matter about lockdowns & mandates - rebuking governors who 'opened up too early'

Yep, corruption through mail-in/absentee voting never had such a fertile environment on which to thrive.

OK, Trump did not appoint Fauci, he started back in '84. Should Trump had fired him, absolutely on day one. Once the pandemic hit, politically I do not think Trump could have, Don't know.  Trump did not appoint Comey, in fact Trump fired Comey. Obama appointed Comey. Trump did appoint Barr, personally I agree with you this turned out to be a bad hire, but at the time, only the liberals were screaming about this appointment, which had to be confirmed by the senate, which by the way, all the conservative senators voted for him.

Your point what happened to Obamacare. Totally agree! I mean 100% agree. You can also ask, what happened to the republicans. Remember, they bragged on how they were going to rewrite the whole bill, I'm still waiting. Trump can not write any bill. Trump had two speakers of the house, Ryan and pelosi, neither of which were going to overturn obamacare. Should Trump have fought more?, don't know, he was not going to win that one.

The wall, takes money. Spending starts in the house. Trump did go a long way in controlling the border, not near  enough in my opinion. Part of the problem was how uncontrolled it was thanks to the Obama years. He should not have had to look for ways to get the money, it should have been in a spending bill.

On the economy, I have no problem with the direction the economy was heading before the pandemic, or the way the economy was heading after the pandemic. Where I have my biggest problem is every politician from Trump, congress EVERY GOVERNOR, mayor and on down the list, every damn one of them let the virus overtake the constitution. The judges were worthless, cases on the constitutionality of shutdowns, masks, mandates, forced jabs, etc. should have been before the bench that week not put on a calendar months away. Rulings should have been right then, the SCOTUS missed a golden opportunity to set this country on the right path, to let everyone know what the law of the land is.

national guard, well it's for national emergencies. Only through The Insurrection Act can the president send in troops to a state that does not want them. As it should be.

One point I have to point out about DeSantis. First off, I like him better than what is currently my governor. If Trump was not running, I would back him as I do not see anyone else at this time. But, right now he is in a great situation, he has a congress that is working together. He will not have that in D.C. He did allow Florida to shut down. He can tell us what he would like to do on the border, but if congress says no there is little he could do. We do not have a king.

I hope the republicans get through the primaries in one whole unit. Trump has this won, he does not need to get down in the sewer to fight anyone, right now (according to polls, take it as what that is worth) he has more % than the rest of the probable field than the rest put together at 54%. But we know the democrats are going to cheat, they DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH BASE TO WIN ANYTHING ANYMORE. Are we smart enough to realize who the enemy is.

Quote from: Possum on April 05, 2023, 12:05:16 PMOK, Trump did not appoint Fauci, he started back in '84. Should Trump had fired him, absolutely on day one. Once the pandemic hit, politically I do not think Trump could have, Don't know.  Trump did not appoint Comey, in fact Trump fired Comey. Obama appointed Comey. Trump did appoint Barr, personally I agree with you this turned out to be a bad hire, but at the time, only the liberals were screaming about this appointment, which had to be confirmed by the senate, which by the way, all the conservative senators voted for him.

Your point what happened to Obamacare. Totally agree! I mean 100% agree. You can also ask, what happened to the republicans. Remember, they bragged on how they were going to rewrite the whole bill, I'm still waiting. Trump can not write any bill. Trump had two speakers of the house, Ryan and pelosi, neither of which were going to overturn obamacare. Should Trump have fought more?, don't know, he was not going to win that one.

The wall, takes money. Spending starts in the house. Trump did go a long way in controlling the border, not near  enough in my opinion. Part of the problem was how uncontrolled it was thanks to the Obama years. He should not have had to look for ways to get the money, it should have been in a spending bill.

On the economy, I have no problem with the direction the economy was heading before the pandemic, or the way the economy was heading after the pandemic. Where I have my biggest problem is every politician from Trump, congress EVERY GOVERNOR, mayor and on down the list, every damn one of them let the virus overtake the constitution. The judges were worthless, cases on the constitutionality of shutdowns, masks, mandates, forced jabs, etc. should have been before the bench that week not put on a calendar months away. Rulings should have been right then, the SCOTUS missed a golden opportunity to set this country on the right path, to let everyone know what the law of the land is.

national guard, well it's for national emergencies. Only through The Insurrection Act can the president send in troops to a state that does not want them. As it should be.

One point I have to point out about DeSantis. First off, I like him better than what is currently my governor. If Trump was not running, I would back him as I do not see anyone else at this time. But, right now he is in a great situation, he has a congress that is working together. He will not have that in D.C. He did allow Florida to shut down. He can tell us what he would like to do on the border, but if congress says no there is little he could do. We do not have a king.

I hope the republicans get through the primaries in one whole unit. Trump has this won, he does not need to get down in the sewer to fight anyone, right now (according to polls, take it as what that is worth) he has more % than the rest of the probable field than the rest put together at 54%. But we know the democrats are going to cheat, they DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH BASE TO WIN ANYTHING ANYMORE. Are we smart enough to realize who the enemy is.

Let me be break this down quickly:
A great leader is identified by the level of opposition they're willing to up against and defeat. No one said Trump appointed Birx & Fauci. But what he did have the authority to do was dismiss their asses and have someone like Scott Atlas be the power broker and represent the WH in and out of the public eye.
Do you remember when Barr blatantly stabbed Trump in the back and Trump did nothing?
As for congressional RINOs, as soon as Trump knew he won the election, he should have been focused like a laser beam on the tactical political warfare he would use against them. He should have fought tooth and nail - both publicly & privately - and played some serious hard ball. Now I knew that's what he needed to do and I think you did too. And I cannot believe that Trump did not know or understand this especially. Therefore, I can only conclude he was a paper tiger unable to carry the fight through to legislation! And in personal political conflicts,(firings) Trump had other do the fighting and face the heat quite often.
With all due respect, if you really believe Trump has the nomination won, you'd better start to think real hard about the realities of the unforeseeable. Do you know it's entirely possible to have a gag order put on Trump?, that he could conceivably be taken off the ballots in certain states?     Be careful what you ask for, it may not be what you expected.

Quote from: WMK on April 05, 2023, 06:35:32 PMLet me be break this down quickly:
A great leader is identified by the level of opposition they're willing to up against and defeat. No one said Trump appointed Birx & Fauci. But what he did have the authority to do was dismiss their asses and have someone like Scott Atlas be the power broker and represent the WH in and out of the public eye.

Hate to say it but if you define a leader as great by who they work against, Trump must have been FANTASTIC. He had no friends on capitol hill. One of the biggest complaints about him is that he was a bully. The whole time the russian hoax was going on the rinos sat back and watched. Name me the republicans who tried to get out the truth and the democrats who have paid for their lies. Yeah, I can't think of any either.

Think China sees Trump as a push over? Think NATO sees Trump as a push over? Russia? Mexico? Trump could not just hire who he wanted, when he wanted them. The constitution dictates who has to get congressional approval. Trump had no friends in congress, he had to play the political games just like EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT has had to. One of the points Reagan gets credit for was how well he could work with O'Neil. O'Neil was a damn liberal! Why compromise with him. Well, he had to.

QuoteDo you remember when Barr blatantly stabbed Trump in the back and Trump did nothing?

We discussed Barr in the last post, my opinion has not changed since then.

QuoteAs for congressional RINOs, as soon as Trump knew he won the election, he should have been focused like a laser beam on the tactical political warfare he would use against them. He should have fought tooth and nail - both publicly & privately - and played some serious hard ball. Now I knew that's what he needed to do and I think you did too. And I cannot believe that Trump did not know or understand this especially. Therefore, I can only conclude he was a paper tiger unable to carry the fight through to legislation! And in personal political conflicts,(firings) Trump had other do the fighting and face the heat quite often.

But he did. Sorry but he called out McConnell several times. He came down hard on several rinos in the senate several times. He came down as hard if not harder on rinos than he did on democrats!! They were not his friends.  Same party, but they did not work for Trump. And this is part of what I was saying above, Trump had no friends in Washington. Still does not.

Trump got involved in state elections like no other president ever did. What you are claiming Trump should have done, is exactly what he is known for and despised for by those who see orange man bad.. 

Did Trump always pick a prefect candidate, again, hate to tell you this, but in politics there are very very few perfect candidates. Hell, there are not that many decent ones. 

Congress did not pick Trump, the American people did. Ever wonder why? Trump put America first. Period! He was tired of professional politicians, the deep state, the U.S. paying for every other damn countries protection while they bitched about the U.S., a border out of control, lost morals, education in the dumps, the list is long my friend and Trump took it all on with NO help. Then came 2020, MORE PEOPLE VOTED FOR TRUMP IN 2020 THAN IN 2016!!! That tells me the American people liked what they saw. Trump had the stock market roaring, unemployment down, no inflation, a wall being built, better employment for minorities ever!, and his biggest accomplishment, he exposed the deep state for what it is. Ever wonder why the left is willing to go to such lengths to get rid of the orange man? Why republicans are willing to let an American presidential election get stolen!!! By the way, are you mad about that one too? Or just happy orange man out of there?

In other posts you complained about the border, do you hold all republicans responsible or just Trump. Lockdowns, do you hold all republicans responsible including DeSantis, or just Trump. On EVERY PROBLEM THIS COUNTRY IS FACING, do you hold anyone responsible or is it just more orange man bad. 

QuoteWith all due respect, if you really believe Trump has the nomination won, you'd better start to think real hard about the realities of the unforeseeable. Do you know it's entirely possible to have a gag order put on Trump?, that he could conceivably be taken off the ballots in certain states?    Be careful what you ask for, it may not be what you expected.

Yes, it is entirely possible we will see a gag order put on Trump. The last thing the left needs is for the truth to get out. Why do you think so many social media outlets censored Americans? What I don't know about the gag order is are you bragging or complaining about a judge issuing it???? I also know it could be possible some states could try to get Trump off the ballots, again, are you bragging or complaining?? BUT AGAIN, on a point you do not seem to agree with me on,

if we were following the constitution we would not be worrying about a gag order, we would not be worrying about states trying to pull Trumps name off the ballot, we would have a border sealed we would not have many of the problems we see today that I have to say ARE NOT TRUMP'S FAULT. Hell he has been the only one trying to fix them. Where are the republicans??