Quote from: Possum on April 04, 2024, 04:51:41 AMI do believe you nailed it. Pedophilia is way too common in politics. It get uncovered and nobody gets punished except the ones who know too much. Not only is the crime protected, but the names are too, from the public. Add to that the vast amounts of money dealt with. How many become millionaires in just a one short term.

But the biggest reason I see that proves they are all in it together, when Trump promises to drain the swamp, they ALL panic.

As much as I hate to say it, that probably is the reason.

For the majority of people, the thought of sex with a child is not even something that even remotely enters the realm of comprehension.
But those who seek power for the sake of power, it appears to be part of an even bigger portion of their desires, an aphrodisiac in payment.

Maybe it has a lot to do with their childhood, some sort of sexual abuse, a need for control a damage they never got over so they seek revenge?
I don't know, but the days of people entering politics for the good of man were 200 years ago, which is why Trump is so despised, he holds a mirror up to all these scum, shows them what doing the Right thing means, and by comparison, he exposes them for the frauds and liars they are.

Their media knows this as does the entire Establishment and the entire world, which makes him the enemy of the ruling class globally.
The enemy has nothing on Trump which is why they keep creating crimes out of thin air.

He is but one man and desperately needs our help which will most likely require all of us picking up arms if we want to take our county back, it will need to be taken one state at a time.
As weak states fold, the bluer ones will panic in fear of the electorate and flee the country...

Sorry for rambling, but I'm very passionate about retaking the country, so I tend to ramble when I get started.

Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2024, 08:16:31 PMPoint being, my original question, what did the GOP get when they abandoned Ca, or better yet, why was the GOP obligated in giving the state away to the left?
Were they blackmailed?

I think you may be overestimating how organized the R party is.
And maybe underestimating how organized the leftists are.
Far too many people look only at government.
We all need to look at ALL the ways the leftists seize power.
They seize power not just through government,
but also through finance, business, medicine,
media (news and entertainment), big tech, education, and religion.

Many people look only at hard power when they think about power.
There is hard power, and there is soft power.
Hard power is direct control, like government, business, etc.
Soft power is influence, like entertainment, education, etc.

Leftists use ALL levers of power in coordination with one another.
Some people try to figure out things like,
"Do politicians control the news media, or do the media control the politicians?"
Actually, all eight arms of the monster (finance, business, government, medicine,
media, big tech, education, and religion) are controlled by the head of the monster.
I call it "the octopus of oppression."

If there is any one of the arms that controls the other seven,
it is the one with the money.
Whoever controls the money, controls everything.
The money arm is the one most closely connected to the head.

Some websites talk about the 13 families of the Illuminati.
They are the 13 wealthiest families in the world.
Other people have also become very wealthy,
in part by cooperating with the 13 families.

For example, suppose two tech companies are doing something similar,
like Facebook and MySpace.
The one that cooperates more with the 13 families
is the one that gets the financing they need to grow big.

(By the way, I just stumbled onto a video showing that
Facebook is telling the FBI who is posting "Let's go Brandon!"
and the FBI is sending agents to those people's homes.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bvl2HdS039g )

Most of the world's wealthiest families, and their sycophants,
work together as a network, all helping one another
become wealthier and more powerful.
Groups like the Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grove, etc.
are working groups, composed of members of
the world's wealthiest families, and their sycophants.

They seek more hard power (bigger government,
giant corporations squeezing out independent businesses, etc.)
They also seek more soft power.
Some people call it "cultural Marxism."
I prefer calling it "cultural dictatorship."

They subvert the culture with things like transgenderism.
They control the culture to influence and force people
to believe things that are obviously false.
The "elite" don't need to be persuaded that transgenderism is false.
They already know that!  They're pushing it BECAUSE it is false!
That's the point - to demonstrate their power
by forcing people to believe things that are obviously false!

They use both hard power and soft power to ram this sewage down our throats.
They use the soft power of the "entertainment" media,
and the hard power of disemploying people who don't toe the line.

Which kind of brings us back to the beginning of this discussion.
The R party did not make a deal to cave to the Dims.
Instead, the leftists seized power over the R party
by using their money to install the people they want,
and remove the people who resist.

And they did it not just in government, but also in business, medicine,
media, big tech, education, and religion.
The failed State of California is a prototype of
what the leftists are intentionally doing to the whole world!

Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2024, 07:52:20 AMAs much as I hate to say it, that probably is the reason.

For the majority of people, the thought of sex with a child is not even something that even remotely enters the realm of comprehension.
But those who seek power for the sake of power, it appears to be part of an even bigger portion of their desires, an aphrodisiac in payment.

Maybe it has a lot to do with their childhood, some sort of sexual abuse, a need for control a damage they never got over so they seek revenge?
I don't know, but the days of people entering politics for the good of man were 200 years ago, which is why Trump is so despised, he holds a mirror up to all these scum, shows them what doing the Right thing means, and by comparison, he exposes them for the frauds and liars they are.

Their media knows this as does the entire Establishment and the entire world, which makes him the enemy of the ruling class globally.
The enemy has nothing on Trump which is why they keep creating crimes out of thin air.

He is but one man and desperately needs our help which will most likely require all of us picking up arms if we want to take our county back, it will need to be taken one state at a time.
As weak states fold, the bluer ones will panic in fear of the electorate and flee the country...

Sorry for rambling, but I'm very passionate about retaking the country, so I tend to ramble when I get started.

"The enemy has nothing on Trump which is why they keep creating crimes out of thin air."

Exactly why "the swamp" hates Trump. They want leverage and trump does not offer opportunity for leverage.

Quote from: je_freedom on April 04, 2024, 08:02:29 AMI think you may be overestimating how organized the R party is.
And maybe underestimating how organized the leftists are.
Far too many people look only at government.
We all need to look at ALL the ways the leftists seize power.
They seize power not just through government,
but also through finance, business, medicine,
media (news and entertainment), big tech, education, and religion.

Many people look only at hard power when they think about power.
There is hard power, and there is soft power.
Hard power is direct control, like government, business, etc.
Soft power is influence, like entertainment, education, etc.

Leftists use ALL levers of power in coordination with one another.
Some people try to figure out things like,
"Do politicians control the news media, or do the media control the politicians?"
Actually, all eight arms of the monster (finance, business, government, medicine,
media, big tech, education, and religion) are controlled by the head of the monster.
I call it "the octopus of oppression."

If there is any one of the arms that controls the other seven,
it is the one with the money.
Whoever controls the money, controls everything.
The money arm is the one most closely connected to the head.

Some websites talk about the 13 families of the Illuminati.
They are the 13 wealthiest families in the world.
Other people have also become very wealthy,
in part by cooperating with the 13 families.

For example, suppose two tech companies are doing something similar,
like Facebook and MySpace.
The one that cooperates more with the 13 families
is the one that gets the financing they need to grow big.

(By the way, I just stumbled onto a video showing that
Facebook is telling the FBI who is posting "Let's go Brandon!"
and the FBI is sending agents to those people's homes.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bvl2HdS039g )

Most of the world's wealthiest families, and their sycophants,
work together as a network, all helping one another
become wealthier and more powerful.
Groups like the Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grove, etc.
are working groups, composed of members of
the world's wealthiest families, and their sycophants.

They seek more hard power (bigger government,
giant corporations squeezing out independent businesses, etc.)
They also seek more soft power.
Some people call it "cultural Marxism."
I prefer calling it "cultural dictatorship."

They subvert the culture with things like transgenderism.
They control the culture to influence and force people
to believe things that are obviously false.
The "elite" don't need to be persuaded that transgenderism is false.
They already know that!  They're pushing it BECAUSE it is false!
That's the point - to demonstrate their power
by forcing people to believe things that are obviously false!

They use both hard power and soft power to ram this sewage down our throats.
They use the soft power of the "entertainment" media,
and the hard power of disemploying people who don't toe the line.

Which kind of brings us back to the beginning of this discussion.
The R party did not make a deal to cave to the Dims.
Instead, the leftists seized power over the R party
by using their money to install the people they want,
and remove the people who resist.

And they did it not just in government, but also in business, medicine,
media, big tech, education, and religion.
The failed State of California is a prototype of
what the leftists are intentionally doing to the whole world!

Everyone knows NATO/UN/WEF ETC... are key when it comes to the Marxist left globally, but the average American does not effect that level of change, our power remains locally at the ballot box, that's it.
I don't know a single person who isn't aware of the external communist threat to our nation, or which party is the primary player and who is funded by said movement.
But if we're to take back our country, I assure you, it won't get accomplished by attacking NATO/UN/WEF ETC.

We have no vote where corruption lies within the country. Instead, we have always relied on the basic good of the average American to keep evil in check.
Of course, the steady erosion of our culture created two generations rebuking God and accepting the idea that socialism is just another form of government and creating the illusion that the majority has a voice. That voice reflects what those in power want, leading to the collapse of our Republic. That's why those in power call us a democracy, with the exception of a few.
These kids have no relevant history as to its failures, or how it is the footing for Marxism, they were purposely kept in the dark about history.

Still, as to the GOP, your claim is one of "which came first, the Chicken Or the Egg" and you think the Marxists infiltrated the GOP via vote.
I disagree. My guess would first fall under blackmail and bribe. I assure you, No one elected the commies, especially in Ca, they wormed their way in like cancer.

That cancer is rooted in the East, its money and influence in Hollywood all came from the East, bribing and corrupting our political system. No, the people of Ca never voted for these people, the vote has always reflected stolen elections going back decades, and the GOP turned a blind eye.
Which takes us back to my original question, what did the left have, that made the GOP turn tail and run?

I'm with Possum, I think it was sex with children, or something along those lines.

Quote from: Possum on April 04, 2024, 04:51:41 AMI do believe you nailed it. Pedophilia is way too common in politics. It get uncovered and nobody gets punished except the ones who know too much. Not only is the crime protected, but the names are too, from the public. Add to that the vast amounts of money dealt with. How many become millionaires in just a one short term.

But the biggest reason I see that proves they are all in it together, when Trump promises to drain the swamp, they ALL panic.

Agree! It was only just recently we discovered just how evil the DNC is when word started leaking out about their Satanic connections, Clintons and African children, and then Epstein explodes, exposing all of it.

No one in this Nation knew the evil that had crept into our govt. Well, a few did, like Mel Gibson and other high profile whistle blowers, the very people the media tried to destroy.
The left tried to mark us as white supremacists, even black people like Candace Owens and other good Conservatives.
So if being Conservative somehow makes us racist, then being a leftist makes anyone supporting the left, a pedophile.

Somethings never change.

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 04, 2024, 08:12:37 AM"The enemy has nothing on Trump which is why they keep creating crimes out of thin air."

Exactly why "the swamp" hates Trump. They want leverage and trump does not offer opportunity for leverage.

God knows I can't wait for 2025.    

Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2024, 09:11:47 AMGod knows I can't wait for 2025.    

I'm also looking forward to 2025, because I think
we will make progress in what needs to be done.
But the struggle is going to take a lot more than just winning the election.
I think that, this time, we will win big enough that the Dims CAN'T steal it.
Even so, they will resort to ANY means to stay in power -
even to the point of starting another Civil War.

Notice - the Dim media are already putting out propaganda about how
"the Republicans want to start another civil war."
The fact is, the Dims have ALREADY started it!
They started it with their illegal coup in 2020/21 !

Remember, the Dims always accuse their victims of
doing what the Dims themselves are doing!

When the Dims get voted out overwhelmingly in 2024,
they will carry out another false flag "insurrection."
The fraud will no longer work.
They will resort to naked, brute force.

I don't know the details of how they will go about it,
but we can be sure that they will act illegally,
and this time with nationwide violence,
and the "news" media will lie about it all.

I'd like to remind everyone of what I posted on August 18, 2018 -
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/america-escaping-our-violent-abuser/

Quote from: je_freedom on April 04, 2024, 10:57:29 AMI'm also looking forward to 2025, because I think
we will make progress in what needs to be done.
But the struggle is going to take a lot more than just winning the election.
I think that, this time, we will win big enough that the Dims CAN'T steal it.
Even so, they will resort to ANY means to stay in power -
even to the point of starting another Civil War.

Notice - the Dim media are already putting out propaganda about how
"the Republicans want to start another civil war."
The fact is, the Dims have ALREADY started it!
They started it with their illegal coup in 2020/21 !

Remember, the Dims always accuse their victims of
doing what the Dims themselves are doing!

When the Dims get voted out overwhelmingly in 2024,
they will carry out another false flag "insurrection."
The fraud will no longer work.
They will resort to naked, brute force.

I don't know the details of how they will go about it,
but we can be sure that they will act illegally,
and this time with nationwide violence,
and the "news" media will lie about it all.

I'd like to remind everyone of what I posted on August 18, 2018 -
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/america-escaping-our-violent-abuser/

Yeah, pretty much on par with the NWO plan, considering they destroyed two generations and half of another to get us here.
With Z waking up and X pissed, we have a shot at saving our culture.

Problem is, none of them really had to struggle and the idea of losing all the conveniences that became a part of their life, scares the Hell out of them.

The rest of us could care less, we grew up with a dial phone, AM radio, 45s and the threat of nuclear war, that was in fact a lie, just as it is today.

I agree with your concept of "ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP", thing is, one party checked out long ago, and the other is still pretending they never left, as in a kind of Schizophrenic Stockholm syndrome, where the other party believes the illusion of being in control.

Does that make sense? We're all simply living our lives, while an abusive entity keeps assaulting us with crazy shit. when in truth, we could kill them off at any moment.
I believe the only reason that has yet to happen is, they can't take away our ability to bring an end to all of this, so we wait patiently as we allow reason and the rule of law under our Republic to set things straight.

We know the minute we step away from the laws of our Republic, the enemy has won.
So we wait patiently to see if shedding the blood of the enemy is necessary or not.

As Europe burns, the producers fight back in protest with all they have left, the threat of stopping production.
People here on our side claim we are asleep, while we are far from asleep, because we have the best tool in the box, our Second.

I've been meaning to do an article on this very thing, because I'm sick of all the fear mongering and Chicken Litteling from our side.

I tell them to get a helmet, life is tough! We know we won before the war ever started!!!

Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2024, 07:52:20 AMAs much as I hate to say it, that probably is the reason.

For the majority of people, the thought of sex with a child is not even something that even remotely enters the realm of comprehension.
But those who seek power for the sake of power, it appears to be part of an even bigger portion of their desires, an aphrodisiac in payment.

Maybe it has a lot to do with their childhood, some sort of sexual abuse, a need for control a damage they never got over so they seek revenge?
I don't know, but the days of people entering politics for the good of man were 200 years ago, which is why Trump is so despised, he holds a mirror up to all these scum, shows them what doing the Right thing means, and by comparison, he exposes them for the frauds and liars they are.

Their media knows this as does the entire Establishment and the entire world, which makes him the enemy of the ruling class globally.
The enemy has nothing on Trump which is why they keep creating crimes out of thin air.

Pedophilia might be a lever used on some politicians (and business/financial leaders)
but I think it's probably not very many of them.

I tend to think that the lever used on most of the leaders is,
"play along, and you get to keep your position.
Don't play along, and you get removed."

They're abusing Trump to make an example out of him.
"Don't play along, and you'll be treated like Trump, too!"

Some of the leaders who practice pedophilia might be truly turned on
by the thrill of forcing themselves on someone so much weaker.

Others might just like the idea of being "above the law."
They engage in a practice that's almost universally loathed
just to show that they're so privileged that they're allowed to get away with it.

Some people like to focus on the global "elite" visitors to Epstein's island
to highlight how depraved the world leaders are.
I tend to focus more on what those leaders are doing to ALL of us!

Epstein's guests preyed on a few victims, in an especially disgusting way.
The rest of the global "elite" are preying on ALL EIGHT BILLION people,
in ways that are also extremely disgusting.

Like unleashing a genetically engineered biological weapon on the whole world.
(And they appear to have other biological weapons waiting to be deployed,
that are just as virulent, and much more deadly!)

Or the manufactured crisis of the global food shortage
which is now being deployed.

Or the constant inciting of hate between genders, ethnic groups, etc.

Or trying to brainwash nearly all of the children into
mutilating their genitals.

The global ruling "elite" are a deadly threat to ALL EIGHT BILLION PEOPLE!
Not just a few dozen victims on Epstein's island!

Quote from: je_freedom on April 06, 2024, 10:55:16 AMPedophilia might be a lever used on some politicians (and business/financial leaders)
but I think it's probably not very many of them.

I tend to think that the lever used on most of the leaders is,
"play along, and you get to keep your position.
Don't play along, and you get removed."

They're abusing Trump to make an example out of him.
"Don't play along, and you'll be treated like Trump, too!"

Some of the leaders who practice pedophilia might be truly turned on
by the thrill of forcing themselves on someone so much weaker.

Others might just like the idea of being "above the law."
They engage in a practice that's almost universally loathed
just to show that they're so privileged that they're allowed to get away with it.

Some people like to focus on the global "elite" visitors to Epstein's island
to highlight how depraved the world leaders are.
I tend to focus more on what those leaders are doing to ALL of us!

Epstein's guests preyed on a few victims, in an especially disgusting way.
The rest of the global "elite" are preying on ALL EIGHT BILLION people,
in ways that are also extremely disgusting.

Like unleashing a genetically engineered biological weapon on the whole world.
(And they appear to have other biological weapons waiting to be deployed,
that are just as virulent, and much more deadly!)

Or the manufactured crisis of the global food shortage
which is now being deployed.

Or the constant inciting of hate between genders, ethnic groups, etc.

Or trying to brainwash nearly all of the children into
mutilating their genitals.

The global ruling "elite" are a deadly threat to ALL EIGHT BILLION PEOPLE!
Not just a few dozen victims on Epstein's island!

Where I don't believe this is the case is the very people we are talking about ran against and they got elected by running against what they are now caving into. Ex., just look at our new speaker of the house. He got where he is by being conservative. He now stands to get booted out by going against those very beliefs. That just reeks of blackmail. If he continues, he stands to gain nothing.

Yes, I understand how one can claim there were "only" a few victims on Epstein's island. But the crimes go deeper, not only do they go deeper, but child trafficking is worldwide, and as heinous as it is, the crime is covered up by the liberals who are pushing everything you have listed. Blackmail is a very effective way to get someone to "change their mind."

Quote from: Possum on April 06, 2024, 03:48:20 PMEx., just look at our new speaker of the house. He got where he is by being conservative. He now stands to get booted out by going against those very beliefs. That just reeks of blackmail. If he continues, he stands to gain nothing.

Yes, I understand how one can claim there were "only" a few victims on Epstein's island. But the crimes go deeper, not only do they go deeper, but child trafficking is worldwide, and as heinous as it is, the crime is covered up by the liberals who are pushing everything you have listed. Blackmail is a very effective way to get someone to "change their mind."

One doesn't have to have any skeletons in their closet to be vulnerable to blackmail.
In fact, just having common decency can make one vulnerable!
The left could be telling Speaker Johnson something like,
"Obey us, or we'll kidnap and murder your children!"

I would also like to add to my earlier point about Epstein's island
having relatively few victims.
There probably are other similar places in the leftists' address book.
But finding them is rather difficult for us.
In contrast, the evidence of what they are doing to the entire world's population
is all out in plain sight, and easy to find.
The difficulty here is, there's SO MUCH of it that it makes it hard to comprehend!

A quotation from Adolf Hitler comes to mind here -
"The greater the crime perpetrated by the leadership, the less likely it is that
the people will ever believe their leaders to be capable of perpetrating such an event."

That is their strategy!  The MORE evil they are,
the more likely they are to get away with it!

Quote from: je_freedom on April 06, 2024, 10:55:16 AMPedophilia might be a lever used on some politicians (and business/financial leaders)
but I think it's probably not very many of them.

Let's say he's married, he meets an attractive girl, purported to be 18, only to find out she is actually 16. Yes, that falls under the term pedophile. Yes, he was just entrapped.

QuoteI tend to think that the lever used on most of the leaders is,
"play along, and you get to keep your position.
Don't play along, and you get removed."

They're abusing Trump to make an example out of him.
"Don't play along, and you'll be treated like Trump, too!"

I highly doubt that, considering we have an actual Conservative caucus.
Meaning, threats don't work on actual conservatives with a moral imperative.

QuoteSome of the leaders who practice pedophilia might be truly turned on
by the thrill of forcing themselves on someone so much weaker.

Others might just like the idea of being "above the law."
They engage in a practice that's almost universally loathed
just to show that they're so privileged that they're allowed to get away with it.

No doubt!

QuoteSome people like to focus on the global "elite" visitors to Epstein's island
to highlight how depraved the world leaders are.
I tend to focus more on what those leaders are doing to ALL of us!

Epstein's guests preyed on a few victims, in an especially disgusting way.
The rest of the global "elite" are preying on ALL EIGHT BILLION people,
in ways that are also extremely disgusting.

Why do you think the entire thing was created? To blackmail those in power to do the bidding of Marxists.

QuoteLike unleashing a genetically engineered biological weapon on the whole world.
(And they appear to have other biological weapons waiting to be deployed,
that are just as virulent, and much more deadly!)

Or the manufactured crisis of the global food shortage
which is now being deployed.

Or the constant inciting of hate between genders, ethnic groups, etc.

Or trying to brainwash nearly all of the children into
mutilating their genitals.

The global ruling "elite" are a deadly threat to ALL EIGHT BILLION PEOPLE!
Not just a few dozen victims on Epstein's island!

You just made my point, that those lacking morals are easy targets, the very people we put in place to represent the will of the people.
Exactly how these commies stole our election!

Quote from: je_freedom on April 06, 2024, 04:17:54 PMOne doesn't have to have any skeletons in their closet to be vulnerable to blackmail.
In fact, just having common decency can make one vulnerable!
The left could be telling Speaker Johnson something like,
"Obey us, or we'll kidnap and murder your children!"

I would also like to add to my earlier point about Epstein's island
having relatively few victims.
There probably are other similar places in the leftists' address book.
But finding them is rather difficult for us.
In contrast, the evidence of what they are doing to the entire world's population
is all out in plain sight, and easy to find.
The difficulty here is, there's SO MUCH of it that it makes it hard to comprehend!

A quotation from Adolf Hitler comes to mind here -
"The greater the crime perpetrated by the leadership, the less likely it is that
the people will ever believe their leaders to be capable of perpetrating such an event."

That is their strategy!  The MORE evil they are,
the more likely they are to get away with it!

You do know, the Marxists have been working for decades on their plan to kill off Christianity, starting back in the women's suffrage movement.
Feminism goes back to the 17th century, all based in anti Christian, literally based in the occult, Satan worship.

What we're seeing today, is years in the making, long before Marx himself.

Go ahead, look up Feminism and see who was involved in the 17th century. Hell, a hardcore leftist Prof. wrote his thesis on its founding.

Back to power plants:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/internet-data-centers-fueling-drive-150206807.html

Quote from: Rick on April 17, 2024, 04:43:01 PMBack to power plants:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/internet-data-centers-fueling-drive-150206807.html

In truth, this is a reflection of reality, power usage is and has been on the increase for decades.
Be it cell phones or I Pods and computers, we are a world full of consumers of the latest gadgets and it's only the beginning.

In fact over 35 years ago when I built my off grid home, I wired it for 12 VDC and only a few 110 VAC outlets because I was beyond content with everything 12 Volt in the house, be it toaster, blender or stereo and TV, it was all good, life's conveniences were simply a different voltage, even freezers and refrigerators, are in essence 12 volt today, they simply add an inverter\converter to match the grid.

Thing is, the internet had not yet been invented, nor had Congress taken away our public airwaves yet and gone digital.
Kinda reminds me of the days of the rotary phone, before push button came along.
Anyway, point being, no one ever thought we'd be using this amount of power, let alone plug in a monster user such as a car constantly.

If people want conveniences, and the Govt tries to jack up the price to prohibitive levels, people are going to revolt.
Goes back to my argument over the "Smart Meter/Grid", the Govt can literally shut down certain appliances in your home at any given time, but that's another story for another time.