Quote from: Solar on May 26, 2022, 06:48:54 AMWhat did I tell ya?
Children died as police created a plan.

These children could have been saved.

Escalon added that there was no school resource officer on campus, and that the first report came to police at 11:30 a.m.

Though said it was still uncertain, it appeared that the shooter had entered the building through an unlocked door. He said that further investigation could reveal that the door was unlocked, but that at the moment it appeared to have been unlocked.

Escalon added that local police responded sixteen minutes after the crash, at 11:44 a.m., and entered the building, but retreated after an exchange of gunfire in which some officers were apparently wounded. Law enforcement then waited outside the building for an hour.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/26/shock-dps-reveals-uvalde-shooter-entered-thru-unlocked-door-no-school-police-officer/

Watch how fast the DNC distances themselves from this.


Texas school shooter Salvador Ramos once cut up his face with knives 'just for fun,' friends say

The gunman who slaughtered 19 kids and two teachers at a Texas elementary school reportedly exhibited increasingly bizarre behavior leading up to the rampage – including cutting up his face with knives just "for fun," friends said.

Gunman Salvador Ramos' friend Santos Valdez Jr., 18, said the two had been close, playing video games and basketball regularly, until his friend's behavior began to "deteriorate," the Washington Post reported.

At one point, he recounted, Ramos showed up at a park with scratch marks across his face and said he had been attacked by a cat.

"Then he told me the truth, that he'd cut up his face with knives over and over and over," Valdez told the newspaper

"I was like, 'You're crazy, bro, why would you do that?'" he said. Ramos told him it was just "for fun," Valdez said.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/25/details-emerge-on-texas-school-shooter-salvador-ramos-behavior/

https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1530237453801603072

Quote from: Solar on May 26, 2022, 02:42:00 PMThese children could have been saved.

Escalon added that there was no school resource officer on campus, and that the first report came to police at 11:30 a.m.

Though said it was still uncertain, it appeared that the shooter had entered the building through an unlocked door. He said that further investigation could reveal that the door was unlocked, but that at the moment it appeared to have been unlocked.

Escalon added that local police responded sixteen minutes after the crash, at 11:44 a.m., and entered the building, but retreated after an exchange of gunfire in which some officers were apparently wounded. Law enforcement then waited outside the building for an hour.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/26/shock-dps-reveals-uvalde-shooter-entered-thru-unlocked-door-no-school-police-officer/

There is no better argument for conceal carry than these two facts that are coming out. One, with the police waiting outside for an hour, they were not there to save lives or to go after the shooter, two, almost ALL mass shootings happen in a gun free zone. I hope Texas does the right action and does away with all gun free zones, as of yesterday. I am not worried about the law abiding citizen who is carrying while picking up his kids. I do not think he will turn into evil and start shooting kids. Evil is either learned or born with, and they look for the gun free zones. But hell. lets watch the liberals and rinos try to outlaw certain types of guns and pass gun registration. Once that is done all the media has to do is stop reporting mass shootings and tell the public nothing to see here.

Quote from: Possum on May 28, 2022, 07:07:55 AMThere is no better argument for conceal carry than these two facts that are coming out. One, with the police waiting outside for an hour, they were not there to save lives or to go after the shooter, two, almost ALL mass shootings happen in a gun free zone. I hope Texas does the right action and does away with all gun free zones, as of yesterday. I am not worried about the law abiding citizen who is carrying while picking up his kids. I do not think he will turn into evil and start shooting kids. Evil is either learned or born with, and they look for the gun free zones. But hell. lets watch the liberals and rinos try to outlaw certain types of guns and pass gun registration. Once that is done all the media has to do is stop reporting mass shootings and tell the public nothing to see here.

Agree!
I'd bet that most of these kids died due to blood loss, a preventable death.
Whoever was in charge of this "Operation" needs to be brought before an inquiry of Sheriff from around the nation, and let them decide a suitable punishment.

I can honestly say, I'd have gone in guns blazing. Did no one have one teargas bomb?

Only A Coward Would let Children Suffer!

Quote from: Solar on May 28, 2022, 07:21:00 AMAgree!
I'd bet that most of these kids died due to blood loss, a preventable death.
Whoever was in charge of this "Operation" needs to be brought before an inquiry of Sheriff from around the nation, and let them decide a suitable punishment.

I can honestly say, I'd have gone in guns blazing. Did no one have one teargas bomb?

Only A Coward Would let Children Suffer!

And that is the only way to see this. How many times has it been expressed on this forum, people are responsible for their own safety, do not count on anybody else.

Quote from: Possum on May 28, 2022, 09:58:26 AMAnd that is the only way to see this. How many times has it been expressed on this forum, people are responsible for their own safety, do not count on anybody else.

Exactly!
Proof why we have a Second Amendment!

The problem with arming teachers or staff is when the police enter an active shooter environment, the protocol is they will kill anyone with a gun. They will have no way of distinguishing between the good guys with guns and the bad guys with guns. There is a probability they will end up with dead teachers.

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 28, 2022, 10:31:54 AMThe problem with arming teachers or staff is when the police enter an active shooter environment, the protocol is they will kill anyone with a gun. They will have no way of distinguishing between the good guys with guns and the bad guys with guns. There is a probability they will end up with dead teachers.

I see, so you're fine with letting children slowly bleed out?

Your scenario is based in pure liberal bull shit! You don't just get a gun, you are trained first, in both gun safety and law enforcement protocol.

As an American, we grew up with guns, the first thing we learn is, always point down range (where down range is), and there is no such thing as an empty gun.
These teachers will go through months of ongoing training, they will know all there is to know about handling guns before they are certified.
Sad, you don't even know this.

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 28, 2022, 10:31:54 AMThe problem with arming teachers or staff is when the police enter an active shooter environment, the protocol is they will kill anyone with a gun. They will have no way of distinguishing between the good guys with guns and the bad guys with guns. There is a probability they will end up with dead teachers.

Had a teacher had a gun, the bad guy would have been down before the police got there. certainly before they entered the building.

Quote from: Solar on May 28, 2022, 11:07:51 AMI see, so you're fine with letting children slowly bleed out?

Your scenario is based in pure liberal bull shit! You don't just get a gun, you are trained first, in both gun safety and law enforcement protocol.

As an American, we grew up with guns, the first thing we learn is, always point down range (where down range is), and there is no such thing as an empty gun.
These teachers will go through months of ongoing training, they will know all there is to know about handling guns before they are certified.
Sad, you don't even know this.

You misunderstood me. In that environment, the police are trained to neutralize anyone with a gun. I am not critisizeing the teachers or the police. I am just pointing out that when the police enter, the only way they have to identify the shooter is he will be the person with a gun. In their eyes, if two people are showing weapons, the police have two people to take out. If they hesitate, they know more people will get shot, probably cops.This is not an arguement against the 2A. It is rather, an arguement to think carefully about what are the dangers of arming teachers and staff. It is not a question of their training. If you can think of a better way to solve this, go for it.

Quote from: Possum on May 28, 2022, 11:11:59 AMHad a teacher had a gun, the bad guy would have been down before the police got there. certainly before they entered the building.

Quite possibly, but how do the police know the shooter is down? The shooter just claims to be a teacher. What actually happens when there is an active shooter is the police (should ) move in fast and shoot anyone with a gun. That is what they train for. When you add armed good guys into the mix, you complicate the situation and more people end up dead. I'm sure someone can come up with a better solution, but rather than tell me, tell it to the police.

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 28, 2022, 11:39:42 AMQuite possibly, but how do the police know the shooter is down? The shooter just claims to be a teacher. What actually happens when there is an active shooter is the police (should ) move in fast and shoot anyone with a gun. That is what they train for. When you add armed good guys into the mix, you complicate the situation and more people end up dead. I'm sure someone can come up with a better solution, but rather than tell me, tell it to the police.

When dealing with an active shooter situation the possibility of teacher safety is already a factor. A trained., armed teacher is there to not only protect students, but themselves as well. Is there a chance the teacher might become a target for law enforcement? Yes. However, the teacher is still better off with a weapon rather than nothing. I suggest in most cases law enforcement would know the difference.

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 28, 2022, 11:39:42 AMQuite possibly, but how do the police know the shooter is down? The shooter just claims to be a teacher. What actually happens when there is an active shooter is the police (should ) move in fast and shoot anyone with a gun. That is what they train for. When you add armed good guys into the mix, you complicate the situation and more people end up dead. I'm sure someone can come up with a better solution, but rather than tell me, tell it to the police.

The police were waiting outside, there was NO HELP coming for the teachers or students, and you are playing what if. How about we let the teachers carry and stop playing games.

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1530316767913975808