Quote from: p1tchblack on July 18, 2021, 06:59:07 AMIt wouldn't be the voter who was breaking the law. They are only voting in a manner that is required of them.

Where is the proof that a judge said that voter laws can't be questioned before the election?

No, it was the governor in some states and a judge in others. Unfortunately, a ballot that does not follow the rules is an illegal ballot. Blame the dems for fooling the public. 

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 18, 2021, 06:59:07 AMIt wouldn't be the voter who was breaking the law. They are only voting in a manner that is required of them.

Where is the proof that a judge said that voter laws can't be questioned before the election?

You are wrong on several levels.
1)Every single one of these has the potential to be completely fake and made up. You have no proof any of these votes are actually from real people.

2)
You yourself dont have to be the one breaking the law to have your vote invalidated. This isnt about punishing voters or morality, its about discovering the will of the majority of voters.
If the government fucked up then its the government invalidating their vote not the people fighting for a fair election.
It is on them for trusting the government. Its ALWAYS a bad idea to trust the government, as most americans know. 

3)What you are suggesting is that all of these are real people and that they would have voted for biden legitimately if the governments hadnt changed the rules. But no, not a one would have. They were only able to vote due to the changes made, WHICH IS WHY THEY WERE MADE, to cheat.

So you are suggesting that just because the voter themselves didnt break the law that somehow that means we should allow the state government to cheat.

Anyway you cut it you are supporting cheating.

Quote from: Possum on July 18, 2021, 07:33:21 AMNo, it was the governor in some states and a judge in others. Unfortunately, a ballot that does not follow the rules is an illegal ballot. Blame the dems for fooling the public.

Exactly. He seems to think that just because the voter themselves didnt break the law somehow means their illegal votes should be allowed. He thinks this is about punishing the voters.

Quote from: T Hunt on July 18, 2021, 07:34:55 AMExactly. He seems to think that just because the voter themselves didnt break the law somehow means their illegal votes should be allowed. He thinks this is about punishing the voters.

It's a damn lsm talking point. They are not talking about how what they did was legal, they are trying to tell us to count the votes anyway.

Quote from: Possum on July 18, 2021, 07:33:21 AMNo, it was the governor in some states and a judge in others. Unfortunately, a ballot that does not follow the rules is an illegal ballot. Blame the dems for fooling the public.

The voters DID follow the rules as provided them.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 18, 2021, 07:38:17 AMThe voters DID follow the rules as provided them.

Yep.
So what?
Moot point.
Whether the individual voter followed the rules has NOTHING to do with this.

Was their vote illegal, yes or no?
Yes, because the governments changing the laws.
Thats all there is to it.

Quote from: T Hunt on July 18, 2021, 07:33:49 AMYou are wrong on several levels.
1)Every single one of these has the potential to be completely fake and made up. You have no proof any of these votes are actually from real people.

2)
You yourself dont have to be the one breaking the law to have your vote invalidated. This isnt about punishing voters or morality, its about discovering the will of the majority of voters.
If the government fucked up then its the government invalidating their vote not the people fighting for a fair election.
It is on them for trusting the government. Its ALWAYS a bad idea to trust the government, as most americans know. 

3)What you are suggesting is that all of these are real people and that they would have voted for biden legitimately if the governments hadnt changed the rules. But no, not a one would have. They were only able to vote due to the changes made, WHICH IS WHY THEY WERE MADE, to cheat.

So you are suggesting that just because the voter themselves didnt break the law that somehow that means we should allow the state government to cheat.

Anyway you cut it you are supporting cheating.

1. Every vote in every election since the beginning of time has the potential to be completely fake. That isn't proof that they are.

2. Luckily the judges in Trump's lawsuits chose to not allow Trump to invalidate legitimate votes, cast by people who legally registered to vote and voted in a manner they were told was legal. If that was allowed to happen, THAT would ignoring the will of the people.

3. The fact that someone decided to vote a certain way in no way means they wouldn't have voted another way if it was the only option.

What I'm saying is that the state tells the people the ways they are allowed to vote. If the people follow what they are told, invalidating their vote would be a crime against Democracy.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 18, 2021, 07:46:55 AM1. Every vote in every election since the beginning of time has the potential to be completely fake. That isn't proof that they are.

Wrong. Most elections in the past have been fairly secure, not able to cheat. It is only in the modern day that the dems have made it so easy to cheat.

Quote2. Luckily the judges in Trump's lawsuits chose to not allow Trump to invalidate legitimate votes, cast by people who legally registered to vote and voted in a manner they were told was legal. If that was allowed to happen, THAT would ignoring the will of the people.

No it wouldnt, that would be rejecting the will. The will of the people is only decided by LEGAL VOTERS. Anything else is just noise in the wind.

Quote3. The fact that someone decided to vote a certain way in no way means they wouldn't have voted another way if it was the only option.

No, they were only able to vote due to the cheating of the government. Otherwise why would the government have bothered cheating this way?

QuoteWhat I'm saying is that the state tells the people the ways they are allowed to vote. If the people follow what they are told, invalidating their vote would be a crime against Democracy.

LOL we arent a democracy...
Then these voters should be demanding their government be punished for cheating and we hold a new legit election, right?

Quote from: T Hunt on July 18, 2021, 07:55:38 AMWrong. Most elections in the past have been fairly secure, not able to cheat. It is only in the modern day that the dems have made it so easy to cheat.

That's secondary to the current discussion about invalidating votes.

No it wouldnt, that would be rejecting the will. The will of the people is only decided by LEGAL VOTERS. Anything else is just noise in the wind.

- If Trump's lawyers had their way, they would have invalidated votes by people who are legally able to vote.

No, they were only able to vote due to the cheating of the government. Otherwise why would the government have bothered cheating this way?

- Not true. There is no proof that any significant number, much less ALL of the votes cast in potentially illegal ways were not real votes.  As I said previously, if my governor ILLEGALLY expanded voting hours and I voted in those expanded voting hours, I'm still a legally registered voter, casting a legitimate vote.  In Trump's world, it would be ok to not count my vote.

LOL we arent a democracy...
Then these voters should be demanding their government be punished for cheating and we hold a new legit election, right?

- IF Trump's lawyers got their way and IF mass amounts of votes, like mine as described above, were invalidated, I would expect the people to lose their fucking minds.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 18, 2021, 07:46:55 AMWrong. Most elections in the past have been fairly secure, not able to cheat. It is only in the modern day that the dems have made it so easy to cheat.

That's secondary to the current discussion about invalidating votes.

No shit. You are the one who brought it up.

QuoteNo it wouldnt, that would be rejecting the will. The will of the people is only decided by LEGAL VOTERS. Anything else is just noise in the wind.

- If Trump's lawyers had their way, they would have invalidated votes by people who are legally able to vote.

Wrong. They voted illegally thru no fault of their own. Thus their votes cannot be counted. They should be first in line demanding a new election.

QuoteNo, they were only able to vote due to the cheating of the government. Otherwise why would the government have bothered cheating this way?

- Not true. There is no proof that any significant number, much less ALL of the votes cast in potentially illegal ways were not real votes.

There doesnt need to be. There is the possibility that they are, that is enough. Water always rolls downhill, dems always cheat where they can. 

QuoteAs I said previously, if my governor ILLEGALLY expanded voting hours and I voted in those expanded voting hours, I'm still a legally registered voter, casting a legitimate vote.  In Trump's world, it would be ok to not count my vote.

LOL no, in the real world it is right not to count their vote because it is illegit.

QuoteLOL we arent a democracy...
Then these voters should be demanding their government be punished for cheating and we hold a new legit election, right?

- IF Trump's lawyers got their way and IF mass amounts of votes, like mine as described above, were invalidated, I would expect the people to lose their fucking minds.

Why? The majority voted trump anyways.

QuoteThat's secondary to the current discussion about invalidating votes.

Voting outside the rules is what invalidated the votes. Blame the democrats, You do notice there were no Republican politicians illegally changing the rules. Ask yourself why only democrats? 

QuoteIf Trump's lawyers had their way, they would have invalidated votes by people who are legally able to vote.

they did not vote legal, that makes for an illegal ballot.

Quote- Not true. There is no proof that any significant number, much less ALL of the votes cast in potentially illegal ways were not real votes.  As I said previously, if my governor ILLEGALLY expanded voting hours and I voted in those expanded voting hours, I'm still a legally registered voter, casting a legitimate vote.  In Trump's world, it would be ok to not count my vote.

No you would be a legally registered voter who voted illegally and thus your vote would not count. Elect a better governor. That governor KNEW what he was doing was illegal, why did he do it?

Quote from: T Hunt on July 18, 2021, 07:34:55 AMExactly. He seems to think that just because the voter themselves didnt break the law somehow means their illegal votes should be allowed. He thinks this is about punishing the voters.

I believe that a legally registered voter, who casts a vote on a legal ballot, within the rules provided them by the state, should have their vote counted.  I can't imagine not counting it.

That would be an affront to democracy.

First of all we are NOT a democracy, get that through your thick skull.

QuoteI believe that a legally registered voter, who casts a vote on a legal ballot, within the rules provided them by the state, should have their vote counted.

Not if the rules are not within the framework of the current state laws.

QuoteI can't imagine not counting it.

That's not surprising. 

Quote from: tac on July 18, 2021, 12:09:29 PMFirst of all we are NOT a democracy, get that through your thick skull.

Not if the rules are not within the framework of the current state laws.

That's not surprising. 

I don't think you punish the voter, and stifle their voice in the process, because the government screwed up.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 18, 2021, 11:26:31 AMI believe that a legally registered voter, who casts a vote on a legal ballot, within the rules provided them by the state, should have their vote counted.  I can't imagine not counting it.

That would be an affront to democracy.

It really wouldnt tho, since we are a republic, and we dont want everyone voting, not everyone deserves a voice.
If we had a law mandating everyone vote that would be a bad thing.


Besides well, you know, thats just like...your opinion, man...


The law is the law and the constitution is the constitution.