Quote from: dickfoster on May 01, 2021, 09:18:29 AM
It seems a lot of folks can't come to the obvious and simple conclusion that its not that they're spinless but they just don't give a shit. When it comes to politicians they're all much the same just flying different flags to suck people in. All any if them really give a shit about is keeping their asses planted in those seats and keeping their places at the taxpayer's tit. None if tgem are here to serve us. They are here to serve themselves and only themselves. We'll get truly representative government when we abolish political parties altogether and put single term limits in the constitution. We need to start electing the best people and not political parties into office. As it is, our system ensures that only the worst and least qualified are chosen.

Quote from: dickfoster on May 01, 2021, 09:18:29 AM
It seems a lot of folks can't come to the obvious and simple conclusion that its not that they're spinless but they just don't give a shit. When it comes to politicians they're all much the same just flying different flags to suck people in. All any if them really give a shit about is keeping their asses planted in those seats and keeping their places at the taxpayer's tit. None if tgem are here to serve us. They are here to serve themselves and only themselves. We'll get truly representative government when we abolish political parties altogether and put single term limits in the constitution. We need to start electing the best people and not political parties into office. As it is, our system ensures that only the worst and least qualified are chosen.

I support the term limits, but how would that work not having parties?

Quote from: T Hunt on May 01, 2021, 01:08:12 PM
I support the term limits, but how would that work not having parties?

Somehow we managed to get along without them until they were invented to serve the needs of politicians. I defy anyone to find a single word about having political parties in our constiturion so how is it that our congress is divided between that which is in no way codified in the law ie our constitution? This two party bullshit is just that, pure BULLSHIT!

Quote from: dickfoster on May 01, 2021, 02:06:35 PM
Somehow we managed to get along without them until they were invented to serve the needs of politicians. I defy anyone to find a single word about having political parties in our constiturion so how is it that our congress is divided between that which is in no way codified in the law ie our constitution? This two party bullshit is just that, pure BULLSHIT!

I thought we had parties at the beginning, like whigs and torys or something like that. When are you saying they were invented?

I agree, they arent in the constitution so arent technically required. I just cannot fathom how it would work without them and am wondering if you could give me some idea...

Like would we still have labels like liberal and conservative, just not democrat and republican? Or wld it be like israel where they have lots of small parties?

Quote from: T Hunt on May 01, 2021, 03:09:29 PM
I thought we had parties at the beginning, like whigs and torys or something like that. When are you saying they were invented?

I agree, they arent in the constitution so arent technically required. I just cannot fathom how it would work without them and am wondering if you could give me some idea...

Like would we still have labels like liberal and conservative, just not democrat and republican? Or wld it be like israel where they have lots of small parties?

I think the first were Jefferson and Hamilton pissing on each other in the press back then.
The simple fact is they have never been an official part of our government so when some clod refers you to our "two party system" ask him to point you to were that's spelled out in the constitution. I maintain they are an invention of, by and for career politicians to help keep the wool pulled over the public's eyes. Other than that, they serve no purpose and certanly no useful purpose for the American people.

This is not coincidence. Someone obviously has a good reason to stop an audit.

As I said many times, becouse there were so many irregularities in the elections process, it will be a big shadow over Biden presidency.

If you have free and independent elections, absolutely no irregularities are allowed in the election process. You had it many, suspiciously many. So many that we can say your current president is irregular president.

Quote from: european101 on May 01, 2021, 10:43:09 PM
This is not coincidence. Someone obviously has a good reason to stop an audit.

As I said many times, becouse there were so many irregularities in the elections process, it will be a big shadow over Biden presidency.

If you have free and independent elections, absolutely no irregularities are allowed in the election process. You had it many, suspiciously many. So many that we can say your current president is irregular president.

I absolutely agree! If the election was "the fairest and safest" as the Democrats claim, then no amount of scrutiny should bother them in the least. As it is the Democrats want the public to just take their word for it and not question anything, not check anything and just allow the anomalies, irregularities and inconsistencies to go by without challenge. The fact that the Democrats are fighting so vociferously tells me that there is something there that they do not want uncovered.

Quote from: T Hunt on May 01, 2021, 01:08:12 PM
I support the term limits, but how would that work not having parties?

Once you have term limits, and I mean one term and you get your ass back home.  Then political party's are less relevant.  No reason to kiss the ass of some brain dead piece of shit to keep your job.  Your reliance on a job are no longer connected to a party. 

A part time congress was supposed to be the way our Republic was intended.  No more Kings.  Each community would vote for a representative to go to DC, do the bidding for the people who sent him there and then he would be back home doing his regular job.  Simple.

The lack of term limits created the parties to a large extent.  The end result is the shit show we now have in government.  There is something terribly wrong when a party votes in lockstep, that is not representative government.  No way the folks in my neighborhood feel the same way as the freaks in Portlandia do.

Term limits of one term would solve 99% of the problems we have today.  And no more life time appointments: John Roberts you lying piece of shit scum.

Quote from: Pop Daddy on May 02, 2021, 07:33:51 AM
Once you have term limits, and I mean one term and you get your ass back home.  Then political party's are less relevant.  No reason to kiss the ass of some brain dead piece of shit to keep your job.  Your reliance on a job are no longer connected to a party. 

A part time congress was supposed to be the way our Republic was intended.  No more Kings.  Each community would vote for a representative to go to DC, do the bidding for the people who sent him there and then he would be back home doing his regular job.  Simple.

The lack of term limits created the parties to a large extent.  The end result is the shit show we now have in government.  There is something terribly wrong when a party votes in lockstep, that is not representative government.  No way the folks in my neighborhood feel the same way as the freaks in Portlandia do.

Term limits of one term would solve 99% of the problems we have today.  And no more life time appointments: John Roberts you lying piece of shit scum.

You have it exactly! What we have now and have had is no where near what our founders had in mind nor is it their intention nor is it in anyway the representative constitutional republic that it is supposed to be by law. Constitutional law. Our government has been stolen by scaliwags, thieves and the self interested near-do-wells of politics. It will be difficult but it can be changed if everyone gets off of their dead asses, gets involved and trys to change it. Most importantly stop drooling and swallowing the lines of bullshit we're being fed and think for a friggin change. It's all right there in front of our noses to see.

There are two party's in the US.

Traitors and Patriots! Traitors are also known as Dims and RINO.

Quote from: Solar on May 02, 2021, 09:52:26 AM
There are two party's in the US.

Traitors and Patriots! Traitors are also known as Dims and RINO.

I would support term limits however, that in and of itself won't fix the issue. What also needs to be addressed is the millions of dollars that Democrats throw at them. What it amounts to is the wealthy liberals control everything and the poor working class slob foots the bill. This has got to stop!

Quote from: RV on May 02, 2021, 10:49:34 AM
I would support term limits however, that in and of itself won't fix the issue. What also needs to be addressed is the millions of dollars that Democrats throw at them. What it amounts to is the wealthy liberals control everything and the poor working class slob foots the bill. This has got to stop!

If they can't be reelected over and over they can't be bought so easily so much of what ails our system today automaticaticly goes away. It won't fix everything but it would be a good start.
Indroducing some accountability would also be a good idea.
How about holding them to the oath of office they swear? That would be novel as none of them seem to think it means anything today.

The motive for term limits is good but there are challenges to be addressed. You want a candidate of merit. You are asking a person to interupt their career for 2 years for the House of Representatives and six years for a Senator. Without political parties, you could have dozens of candidates. No primaries to weed out the goats. Prior to the election, they will need to spend a year campaigning. If they lose, they will have spent a lot of money and be unemployed. If they win, they will have spent a lot of money and be unemployed. I don't know how many of you have run for office at the State or Federal level but it is expensive and places a lot of stress on the family. Consider what kind of person would have the resourses to be willing to do this. Winners will be determined by name recognition and money. It is a valid idea on paper but to get it to work will require a lot of modification to the electoral process.

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 02, 2021, 01:05:17 PM
The motive for term limits is good but there are challenges to be addressed. You want a candidate of merit. You are asking a person to interupt their career for 2 years for the House of Representatives and six years for a Senator. Without political parties, you could have dozens of candidates. No primaries to weed out the goats. Prior to the election, they will need to spend a year campaigning. If they lose, they will have spent a lot of money and be unemployed. If they win, they will have spent a lot of money and be unemployed. I don't know how many of you have run for office at the State or Federal level but it is expensive and places a lot of stress on the family. Consider what kind of person would have the resourses to be willing to do this. Winners will be determined by name recognition and money. It is a valid idea on paper but to get it to work will require a lot of modification to the electoral process.

In our not too distant past, it was considered a civic duty to run for office, do what is good for the country.
Unfortunately, special interests got involved and it went to shit. What we really need to do is limit corporate donations, just as they do with single individuals.

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 02, 2021, 01:05:17 PM
The motive for term limits is good but there are challenges to be addressed. You want a candidate of merit. You are asking a person to interupt their career for 2 years for the House of Representatives and six years for a Senator. Without political parties, you could have dozens of candidates. No primaries to weed out the goats. Prior to the election, they will need to spend a year campaigning. If they lose, they will have spent a lot of money and be unemployed. If they win, they will have spent a lot of money and be unemployed. I don't know how many of you have run for office at the State or Federal level but it is expensive and places a lot of stress on the family. Consider what kind of person would have the resourses to be willing to do this. Winners will be determined by name recognition and money. It is a valid idea on paper but to get it to work will require a lot of modification to the electoral process.

Actually if terms were fixed to one single term then naturally the lenghth of those terms should be adjusted accordingly. I'd also want to see a stipulation that after that single term in office had expired that person would be ineligible for holding any other public office or serve in any government position whatsoever. Remember what we're after here is finding the best people who desire to serveve the nation and not themselves.
Trump strikes me as such a person because it's pretty clear he didn't get up and put that hair shirt on everyday for shits and giggles and he most certinly did not benfit from it financially. His motivation was obviously to serve the nation as many of us who served our nation in the military did. These people are not that rare or scarse to find. However our current system does make it difficult for them and instead favors exactly the undesirable types that do us the most harm rather the types we actually need and should desire if we as a whole had any damn common sense.