Quote from: ZenMode on November 01, 2022, 06:41:16 AMI said previously that I can't definitively say for sure whether it was or wasn't.  To definitively know there would have to be full audits and a count of fraudulent ballots.  I slightly lean toward the side that it was, though more by illegal/unconstitutional changes made by states as the primary cause.

Fraud is fraud, regardless of who did it, and the amount of fraud so far uncovered, is more than enough to over turn the election.
Do the math!

Quote from: Solar on November 01, 2022, 08:59:27 AMFraud is fraud, regardless of who did it, and the amount of fraud so far uncovered, is more than enough to over turn the election.
Do the math!

This is where we disagree. Without full audits, we don't truly know the count of fraudulent ballots.  We don't even know an exact count of ballots impacted by the illegal changes made in states.  There are a ton of accusations.  There's a ton of opportunity for fraud.  There are the situations where votes could be deemed illegitimate due to state rule changes, but the courts won't rule.

Without more details, there really is no absolute certainty only a level of confidence in what you believe.

Quote from: ZenMode on November 01, 2022, 10:49:08 AMThis is where we disagree. Without full audits, we don't truly know the count of fraudulent ballots.  We don't even know an exact count of ballots impacted by the illegal changes made in states.  There are a ton of accusations.  There's a ton of opportunity for fraud.  There are the situations where votes could be deemed illegitimate due to state rule changes, but the courts won't rule.

Without more details, there really is no absolute certainty only a level of confidence in what you believe.

What we do know, is there is enough verified fraud at this point to overturn the election.
But we want more, we want so much that there is no way the left can deny it, and it is coming! We want prison time for these Marxists!

What many don't seem to grasp is, if we don't correct this now, we've lost the country and the world will follow into a NWO communist style govt. The only way out of it, is war. So decide, do you want an actual war, or a court battle to stop the fraud and reverse the election?

Quote from: ZenMode on November 01, 2022, 10:49:08 AMThis is where we disagree. Without full audits, we don't truly know the count of fraudulent ballots.  We don't even know an exact count of ballots impacted by the illegal changes made in states.  There are a ton of accusations.  There's a ton of opportunity for fraud.  There are the situations where votes could be deemed illegitimate due to state rule changes, but the courts won't rule.

Without more details, there really is no absolute certainty only a level of confidence in what you believe.

You are forgetting about the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots law enforcement has confirmed, more than enough to overturn the election. So yes, we can logically say 100% that it was stolen and trump did actually win. And no we dont need full audits to KNOW that 100%.
 
When you need excuses to deny reality you dont like, you will always find them...

Just gonna keep a running list here...

1)Will not explain why multiple boxes matters
2)Will not concede that TTV has what they claim to have
3)Will not even address law enforcement confirmation
4)Will not even address any other cheating evidence outside TTV

STANDARD: All 50 states must full audit or we cannot decide if cheating changed outcome
  (AKA We cannot know anything until everything is already over)

Quote from: ZenMode on November 01, 2022, 05:00:40 AMI believe there is no good explanation for the lack of video evidence.

Beyond the of preservation of evidence for law enforcement?

QuoteI'm not going to pretend that fact doesn't exist to get the approval of all of the 100% stolen election believers.

Do you believe they have that evidence?  Yes or no.

Quote from: ZenMode on November 01, 2022, 06:41:16 AMI said previously that I can't definitively say for sure whether it was or wasn't.  To definitively know there would have to be full audits and a count of fraudulent ballots.  I slightly lean toward the side that it was, though more by illegal/unconstitutional changes made by states as the primary cause.

I didn't ask you about anything definitive.  Are you able to use that sweet little gray matter in your skull and crunch up a confidence rating of if you believe they have the evidence, or if you think they're lying?

Quote from: T Hunt on November 01, 2022, 11:02:21 AMYou are forgetting about the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots law enforcement has confirmed, more than enough to overturn the election. So yes, we can logically say 100% that it was stolen and trump did actually win. And no we dont need full audits to KNOW that 100%.
 
When you need excuses to deny reality you dont like, you will always find them...

Rachel Maddow said that's been debunked.

Quote from: ZenMode on November 01, 2022, 10:49:08 AMThis is where we disagree. Without full audits, we don't truly know the count of fraudulent ballots.

How do you explain this?: https://electionfraud20.org/in-detail/maricopa-arizona-forensic-audit-report/

QuoteWe don't even know an exact count of ballots impacted by the illegal changes made in states.

Then how can you say Creepy won?

QuoteThere are a ton of accusations.

Like what?

QuoteThere's a ton of opportunity for fraud.

How is that possible with "secure" elections?

QuoteThere are the situations where votes could be deemed illegitimate due to state rule changes, but the courts won't rule.

What about issues like canvassing and no chain of custody, not to mention ballots that don't exist?  How does someone as intelligent as yourself explain that?

QuoteWithout more details, there really is no absolute certainty only a level of confidence in what you believe.

We have details out the ass, you just refuse to accept them.  Why?

Quote from: taxed on November 01, 2022, 05:21:42 PMBeyond the of preservation of evidence for law enforcement?
Do you believe they have that evidence?  Yes or no.

Does preservation for law enforcement somehow permit showing the mules once but not more than once.

Until someone provides a legitimate reason for not showing the video evidence,  I have no reason to believe they have it.

Quote from: taxed on November 01, 2022, 05:25:50 PMI didn't ask you about anything definitive.  Are you able to use that sweet little gray matter in your skull and crunch up a confidence rating of if you believe they have the evidence, or if you think they're lying?

My confidence level is low - 20%.

Quote from: taxed on November 01, 2022, 05:46:49 PMRachel Maddow said that's been debunked.

Darn, she was totally right about trump being a literal russian agent, so I guess she must be right about this too...

Quote from: ZenMode on November 01, 2022, 07:11:16 PMDoes preservation for law enforcement somehow permit showing the mules once but not more than once.

Until someone provides a legitimate reason for not showing the video evidence,  I have no reason to believe they have it.

Except that MULTIPLE law enforcement agencies have literally confirmed ALL OF TTVs DATA, both video and gps. LE has confirmed TTV has everything they say they have.
Why do you refuse to even address or acknowledge this point?



This is what you are failing to explain:
If you dont NEED ttv to show you the video for you to know that they have video(since its been confirmed), then why do multiple boxes being shown in the movie matter?

Quote from: T Hunt on November 02, 2022, 03:18:57 AMExcept that MULTIPLE law enforcement agencies have literally confirmed ALL OF TTVs DATA, both video and gps. LE has confirmed TTV has everything they say they have.
Why do you refuse to even address or acknowledge this point?



This is what you are failing to explain:
If you dont NEED ttv to show you the video for you to know that they have video(since its been confirmed), then why do multiple boxes being shown in the movie matter?

Again, there has been no valid explanation for why 2KM didn't show video evidence of a mule at a boxore than once.

Do you have a link regarding LE's involvement in the TTV data and video evidence?

Quote from: ZenMode on November 02, 2022, 04:16:40 AMAgain, there has been no valid explanation for why 2KM didn't show video evidence of a mule at a boxore than once.

Do you have a link regarding LE's involvement in the TTV data and video evidence?

It has been explained over and over to you, it is obvious you either lack the ability to understand it, or you are just trolling. Neither is much to brag on.