Quote from: Solar on October 24, 2022, 08:29:03 AMSo let me get this straight. Your issue is, because it wasn't shown repeatedly in the movie, the entire sate of evidence must be invalidated?

You're like a kid who wanted a Gameboy, but threw a fit when you didn't get the color you wanted!

I assure you, this is some of the evidence you didn't see, but it is all a part of the evidence!

https://rumble.com/embed/v12v4f5/?pub=17yzhh

No, I think it's a huge miss by everyone involved and showing some portion of the mules at a dropbox multiple times would have made the movie a home run.  Claims of massive ballot harvesting has been expressed as a concern for decades.  Showing video of what they are claiming would be an absolute game-changer.  A lack of it means that we have to believe based on some evidence, not rock-solid proof.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 09:11:53 AMNo, I think it's a huge miss by everyone involved and showing some portion of the mules at a dropbox multiple times would have made the movie a home run.  Claims of massive ballot harvesting has been expressed as a concern for decades.  Showing video of what they are claiming would be an absolute game-changer.  A lack of it means that we have to believe based on some evidence, not rock-solid proof.

OK, now you're stretching reality beyond reason. The movie made its case, they proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there was more than enough fraud to prove the election was stolen.

It's obvious you don't want it to be so, so you insert "I need more proof" as an excuse to claim it failed to prove its point.

You are the one with the problem, not the evidence, even when it smacked you square in the face!
Admit it, the election was stolen!

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 07:50:35 AMI don't know where the miscommunication is here.  Example of what I'm talking about: The lady with the blue latex glove was identified as a mule.  They showed video of her at a drop box, emphasizing that she, apparently, already knew that the garbage can was there.  They're are implying that she had been at that specific drop box more than once, hence an awareness of the garbage can being behind the post.

This seems to be going over your head...

They arent IMPLYING they have the data, they have PROVEN they have it.
Not by showing you the video, but by having law enforcement confirm the video and gps data.
There literally is no NEED to show you in the video since you know they have it.

You have failed to explain why they NEED to show it to prove their case....

QuoteSo, given that surveillance video exists at that drop box and given that she's accused of being there more than once, why weren't they able to show her on separate video clip, at the same drop box?

Why do you assume that because they didnt, means that they couldnt?

Quote from: Solar on October 24, 2022, 10:10:56 AMOK, now you're stretching reality beyond reason. The movie made its case, they proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there was more than enough fraud to prove the election was stolen.

It's obvious you don't want it to be so, so you insert "I need more proof" as an excuse to claim it failed to prove its point.

You are the one with the problem, not the evidence, even when it smacked you square in the face!
Admit it, the election was stolen!

Seems to be a common problem with liberals. AS long as they can point to one vote that was legal, the claim is there is no fraud.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 09:11:53 AMNo, I think it's a huge miss by everyone involved and showing some portion of the mules at a dropbox multiple times would have made the movie a home run.  Claims of massive ballot harvesting has been expressed as a concern for decades.  Showing video of what they are claiming would be an absolute game-changer.  A lack of it means that we have to believe based on some evidence, not rock-solid proof.

How is 2KM not rock solid proof when law enforcement has confirmed ALL of it?

You are STILL ignoring the mountain of proof we have shown you OUTSIDE 2KM that the election was stolen. Its looking like you actually think biden is the president but are too scared to say it and defend it.

So which is it? Did the will of the people choose biden in 2020?
Anything less than a direct yes or no will be proof of trolling...

Quote from: Solar on October 24, 2022, 10:10:56 AMOK, now you're stretching reality beyond reason. The movie made its case, they proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there was more than enough fraud to prove the election was stolen.

It's obvious you don't want it to be so, so you insert "I need more proof" as an excuse to claim it failed to prove its point.

You are the one with the problem, not the evidence, even when it smacked you square in the face!
Admit it, the election was stolen!

This has nothing to do with what me wanting or not wanting something. We should all want our elections to be fair and free of fraud.

In every situation, we have to decide how much we believe what is being claimed. Proof is much more convincing than evidence for me.  TTV/2K Mules, for whatever reason, only provided evidence when it seems they could/should have provided proof.

"could/should" is my opinion.  The 4 million minutes and the fact that they didn't show any  mules at a drop box more than once is just a fact.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 11:08:11 AMThis has nothing to do with what me wanting or not wanting something. We should all want our elections to be fair and free of fraud.

In every situation, we have to decide how much we believe what is being claimed. Proof is much more convincing than evidence for me.  TTV/2K Mules, for whatever reason, only provided evidence when it seems they could/should have provided proof.

"could/should" is my opinion.  The 4 million minutes and the fact that they didn't show any  mules at a drop box more than once is just a fact.

I posted the video! That is part of the evidence being submitted by  TTV to law enforcement.
The movie was not for evidentiary purposes in court, this was put out for public consumption, so we could see just how much fraud was instituted.
Why is this sooo damned hard for you to grasp?

Quote from: Possum on October 24, 2022, 10:51:03 AMSeems to be a common problem with liberals. AS long as they can point to one vote that was legal, the claim is there is no fraud.

Exactly!!! Same ol shit, just a different day.

Quote from: Solar on October 24, 2022, 11:30:56 AMI posted the video! That is part of the evidence being submitted by  TTV to law enforcement.
The movie was not for evidentiary purposes in court, this was put out for public consumption, so we could see just how much fraud was instituted.
Why is this sooo damned hard for you to grasp?

That video is from gateway pundit and should absolutely be investigated but, yes, THAT is exactly what 2K Mules should have shown!

Maybe Gateway Pundit should have produced/done research for the movie. 

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 11:08:11 AMThis has nothing to do with what me wanting or not wanting something. We should all want our elections to be fair and free of fraud.

But do you accept that the evidence proves 2020 was stolen as we have shown you here?

QuoteIn every situation, we have to decide how much we believe what is being claimed.

No we dont. Law enforcement has confirmed it all, we dont have to decide anything.

QuoteProof is much more convincing than evidence for me.  TTV/2K Mules, for whatever reason, only provided evidence when it seems they could/should have provided proof.

Now thats just a lie. They clearly proved their data true by having law enforcement confirm it.

Quote"could/should" is my opinion.  The 4 million minutes and the fact that they didn't show any  mules at a drop box more than once is just a fact.

But its an IRRELEVANT FACT, its a strawman argument that has no bearing on the credibility of the data. This is where you are lying.
They dont need to show the data to prove that its true.



Why are you suddenly ignoring me and not answering my questions.
Why wont you explain why they need to show the data to prove they have it?
You are looking more like a troll with every deflection...

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 11:42:18 AMThat video is from gateway pundit and should absolutely be investigated but, yes, THAT is exactly what 2K Mules should have shown!

Maybe Gateway Pundit should have produced/done research for the movie. 

WHY???

You cant seem to explain WHY they needed to show that to prove their point when the law has already proven TTV correct....

Or WHY they need to show it when election cheating has ALREADY BEEN PROVEN, as evidenced by the video....

Quote from: T Hunt on October 24, 2022, 11:52:54 AMWHY???

You cant seem to explain WHY they needed to show that to prove their point when the law has already proven TTV correct....

Or WHY they need to show it when election cheating has ALREADY BEEN PROVEN, as evidenced by the video....

He's at the point where someone sitting in jail for voter fraud could not convince him that there was voter fraud. I guess as long as liberals can move the goal posts we will have liberals claiming they "just can not see the facts".

Quote from: Possum on October 24, 2022, 11:55:38 AMHe's at the point where someone sitting in jail for voter fraud could not convince him that there was voter fraud. I guess as long as liberals can move the goal posts we will have liberals claiming they "just can not see the facts".

Ya he is dancing at this point, not giving direct answers cuz he knows the questions expose his TDS.

He just doesnt want to admit that his media talking point isnt based on the facts. He knows, hes just being stubborn....

Quote from: T Hunt on October 24, 2022, 11:52:54 AMWHY???

You cant seem to explain WHY they needed to show that to prove their point when the law has already proven TTV correct....

Or WHY they need to show it when election cheating has ALREADY BEEN PROVEN, as evidenced by the video....

Everyone is trying to take a very simple statement of fact and turn it into much more.  Again, I never said they "needed" to do anything.  I simply stated that they had 4 million minutes of surveillance video and identified specific people as mules, but failed to do exactly what the Gateway Pundit did in Solar's video, which is show them at a drop box more than once.

You, Possum and Solar may not agree that it would be more convincing for you if they did, but I'm not a liar for acknowledging reality.

This back and forth for many pages, when all I did was point out something unusual I noticed about the movie, is precisely why I stated in my first post that I'm (metaphorically) taking my life in my hands. 

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 12:11:28 PMEveryone is trying to take a very simple statement of fact and turn it into much more.  Again, I never said they "needed" to do anything.  I simply stated that they had 4 million minutes of surveillance video and identified specific people as mules, but failed to do exactly what the Gateway Pundit did in Solar's video, which is show them at a drop box more than once.

You, Possum and Solar may not agree that it would be more convincing for you if they did, but I'm not a liar for acknowledging reality.

Still lying...
I will just repeat what I said above...

Its an IRRELEVANT FACT, its a strawman argument that has no bearing on the credibility of the data. This is where you are lying.
They dont need to show the data to prove that its true.

Now will you try to explain why they need to show it to prove that its true? Or will you deflect again....

If its true then you will accept the stolen election. If not then you will need to explain why...