Quote from: Solar on July 27, 2021, 01:32:51 PMI assume you had a point?

My point is that it's not just Democrats that are concerned about this audit and it has nothing to do with finding evidence of voter fraud. I mentioned it in a previous thread that cyberninjas is not qualified to audits most aspects of an election. They may be able to check the content of paper for watermarks and do other technical inspections, but that's it.

The problem, as we saw with the actual election, there are people who will take what is reported in the Cyber Ninjas updates with the AZ legislators or on Gateway Pundit (74k too many ballots) at face value and will never a) look for additional information that would correct Cyber ninjas lack of understanding or b) will never believe anything that explains why CN was wrong.

And it's not just the misinformation in the updates, but updates where Logan/CN is expressing such concern about the 74k ballots that he's recommending going door to door to verify the ballots.

How many people still believe that the mismatch in totals in EV32 and EV33's is proof of fraud and those 74k ballots are reason to change AZ to Trump and proof of a stolen election?

Before that is written off, how many people know what actually started the chaos at the TCF Center in Detroit when the windows were covered?  How many people know that it was a camera man pulling his camera equipment in a wagon into the TCF Center that someone saw, posted on Twitter as a case-full of illegal ballots, that then started the chaos of Republicans, Dems and ACLU members rushing down there to see what was going on and then Trump referenced that as evidence of The Steal in a speech the next day?

Really think about that. ONE person sees a cameraman moving his equipment in a wagon and the next day the President of the United States is talking about it as evidence of widespread voter fraud and a stolen election win.

That's the concern about a company that knows nothing about elections doing an audit.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 27, 2021, 02:58:25 PMMy point is that it's not just Democrats that are concerned about this audit and it has nothing to do with finding evidence of voter fraud. I mentioned it in a previous thread that cyberninjas is not qualified to audits most aspects of an election. They may be able to check the content of paper for watermarks and do other technical inspections, but that's it.

The problem, as we saw with the actual election, there are people who will take what is reported in the Cyber Ninjas updates with the AZ legislators or on Gateway Pundit (74k too many ballots) at face value and will never a) look for additional information that would correct Cyber ninjas lack of understanding or b) will never believe anything that explains why CN was wrong.

And it's not just the misinformation in the updates, but updates where Logan/CN is expressing such concern about the 74k ballots that he's recommending going door to door to verify the ballots.

How many people still believe that the mismatch in totals in EV32 and EV33's is proof of fraud and those 74k ballots are reason to change AZ to Trump and proof of a stolen election?

Before that is written off, how many people know what actually started the chaos at the TCF Center in Detroit when the windows were covered?  How many people know that it was a camera man pulling his camera equipment in a wagon into the TCF Center that someone saw, posted on Twitter as a case-full of illegal ballots, that then started the chaos of Republicans, Dems and ACLU members rushing down there to see what was going on and then Trump referenced that as evidence of The Steal in a speech the next day?

Really think about that. ONE person sees a cameraman moving his equipment in a wagon and the next day the President of the United States is talking about it as evidence of widespread voter fraud and a stolen election win.

That's the concern about a company that knows nothing about elections doing an audit.

Once again, you are forgetting that we have ALREADY PROVEN THE ELECTION STOLEN.

We already KNOW trump won in a landslide. In order to be objective that is the point from which you must start.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 27, 2021, 02:58:25 PMMy point is that it's not just Democrats that are concerned about this audit and it has nothing to do with finding evidence of voter fraud. I mentioned it in a previous thread that cyberninjas is not qualified to audits most aspects of an election. They may be able to check the content of paper for watermarks and do other technical inspections, but that's it.

Do you have any clue just how stupid the thought of having a "certified" audit group sounds?
Think Govt, think Unions, all politically corrupt!
There is no one more qualified than the private sector, a group putting their business ethics on the line.
Think about that!

QuoteThe problem, as we saw with the actual election, there are people who will take what is reported in the Cyber Ninjas updates with the AZ legislators or on Gateway Pundit (74k too many ballots) at face value and will never a) look for additional information that would correct Cyber ninjas lack of understanding or b) will never believe anything that explains why CN was wrong.

And it's not just the misinformation in the updates, but updates where Logan/CN is expressing such concern about the 74k ballots that he's recommending going door to door to verify the ballots.

How many people still believe that the mismatch in totals in EV32 and EV33's is proof of fraud and those 74k ballots are reason to change AZ to Trump and proof of a stolen election?

So you're against verifying these ballots?

QuoteBefore that is written off, how many people know what actually started the chaos at the TCF Center in Detroit when the windows were covered?  How many people know that it was a camera man pulling his camera equipment in a wagon into the TCF Center that someone saw, posted on Twitter as a case-full of illegal ballots, that then started the chaos of Republicans, Dems and ACLU members rushing down there to see what was going on and then Trump referenced that as evidence of The Steal in a speech the next day?

Really think about that. ONE person sees a cameraman moving his equipment in a wagon and the next day the President of the United States is talking about it as evidence of widespread voter fraud and a stolen election win.

That's the concern about a company that knows nothing about elections doing an audit.

https://thegoptimes.com/politifact-caught-in-major-lie-on-early-morning-ballot-dump/

Quote from: Solar on July 27, 2021, 03:36:16 PMDo you have any clue just how stupid the thought of having a "certified" audit group sounds?

All states  as far as I know, already audit elections.  Arizona has already pressed charges against 4 people for voter fraud.

QuoteThink Govt, think Unions, all politically corrupt!
There is no one more qualified than the private sector, a group putting their business ethics on the line.
Think about that!

If you're talking about technical/forensics, I might agree, but spreading misinformation about 74k ballots, because of your lack of understanding of the election process in AZ, is different.

QuoteSo you're against verifying these ballots?

What do you mean by verify?

Quotehttps://thegoptimes.com/politifact-caught-in-major-lie-on-early-morning-ballot-dump/

Ballots have to get to the central location, TCF Center, somehow. What's wrong with white vans?

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 27, 2021, 12:49:06 PM"I'm as Republican as they come," he told Fox's Bret Baier. "There's a lot I'd be willing to do for a Republican nominee for president, but lie about the election is not one of those things."

An Arizona GOP official tore into the state's election recount on Fox News: 'This was not a stolen election'

An Arizona GOP official tore into the Maricopa County election audit on Monday, saying the claims of voter fraud that prompted the recount were baseless and likening the situation to a "borderline dystopia."

Arizona in April began auditing presidential-election results for Maricopa County, home to Phoenix, which President Joe Biden won by more than 45,000 votes.

Maricopa County recorder Stephen Richer told Fox News on Monday that the continued claims of election fraud in the county by Trump and his associates were "false."

Even though he would have liked them to win, they did not, he said.

"I'm as Republican as they come," he told Fox's Bret Baier. "There's a lot I'd be willing to do for a Republican nominee for president, but lie about the election is not one of those things."

Donald Trump repeated his claims of election fraud in Arizona at a rally over the weekend, saying among other things that hundreds of thousands of ballots had been printed on illegal paper.

https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-gop-official-tore-states-104026001.html

Start at 33:59...

https://rumble.com/embed/vhsei5/?pub=isdal

                          

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 25, 2021, 08:26:24 PMThey weren't blocking the windows to prevent authorized observers from watching the processing if ballots.  Those were people off the streets.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/video-detroit-election-workers-cheer-gop-election-monitor-gop-lawyer-removed-tcf-center/

The fail is strong in this one...             

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 27, 2021, 04:46:59 PMAll states  as far as I know, already audit elections.  Arizona has already pressed charges against 4 people for voter fraud.

Recounting fraudulent ballots is not an audit!

QuoteIf you're talking about technical/forensics, I might agree, but spreading misinformation about 74k ballots, because of your lack of understanding of the election process in AZ, is different.What do you mean by verify?

We've been over this, they did not spread any false information, that is what the left wanted it to be, but it was never a leftist reality!

QuoteBallots have to get to the central location, TCF Center, somehow. What's wrong with white vans?

The election was over!!!! Jeeeez, how thick are you?

Quote from: Solar on July 27, 2021, 06:33:10 PMRecounting fraudulent ballots is not an audit!

If they were fraudulent, yes

QuoteWe've been over this, they did not spread any false information, that is what the left wanted it to be, but it was never a leftist reality!

You believe they didn't spread any false information.

QuoteThe election was over!!!! Jeeeez, how thick are you?

All of the districts transport ballots to a central location, after a variety of security checks.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 27, 2021, 08:49:27 PMIf they were fraudulent, yes

You believe they didn't spread any false information.

All of the districts transport ballots to a central location, after a variety of security checks.

Did you not see the suit cases full of ballots pulled out at 3:00 AM?
This is fascinating because the entire world saw the fraud, yet here you are willing to play the fool. Why is that, are you really being paid that much?

Quote from: Solar on July 28, 2021, 07:17:40 AMDid you not see the suit cases full of ballots pulled out at 3:00 AM?
This is fascinating because the entire world saw the fraud, yet here you are willing to play the fool. Why is that, are you really being paid that much?

The ones under the table?  Of course.  That's where ballots are kept - in cases. 

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 28, 2021, 08:02:46 AMThe ones under the table?  Of course.  That's where ballots are kept - in cases.

                                             

You aren't serious, are you?                

Quote from: Solar on July 28, 2021, 08:34:01 AM                                             

You aren't serious, are you?                

Of course.  I would hope that ballots are stored somewhere safe and not just floating around the room when they aren't being processed. 

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 28, 2021, 09:00:51 AMOf course.  I would hope that ballots are stored somewhere safe and not just floating around the room when they aren't being processed.

Now, pretend these were Trump ballots...

Quote from: Solar on July 28, 2021, 09:12:37 AMNow, pretend these were Trump ballots...

Can I just say they were.... ballots?

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 28, 2021, 09:26:13 AMCan I just say they were.... ballots?

No!

https://thegoptimes.com/politifact-caught-in-major-lie-on-early-morning-ballot-dump/