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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2012, 10:18:39 AM »
Quote from: Foreigner on August 30, 2012, 08:18:07 PM
Yes, when it comes to war strategy alone, attacking Russia is probably #1. I just felt like putting the Holocaust first, because I personally think it's the dumbest thing ever.

Don't get me wrong, not just because I learned at school etc. that this was horrible and as a German I'm supposed to think that way. I'm actually pretty good at ignoring what society tries to indoctrinate me with, otherwise I wouldn't even be talking to American conservatives at all, haha.

Also I have to disappoint you if you're Jewish. Because as much as I respect how Jewish people value education, I also know how people in Israel tend to be dicks about anything from who's first in line at the supermarket to who's right about driving where on the roads. (You'll know what I mean if you've been there.)

But from any reasonable point of view, the Holocaust was idiotic and insane. I'm pretty sure that even if you applied modern day genetics, it still would prove to be complete nonsense to kill all those people. Well, I guess according to modern day genetics the whole "Arian" thing is pretty silly.

To be honest, the true "master race" would be a mix of lots of different races' attributes, not some inbred people (I'm exaggerating here). We'll have to worry about this kind of thing in the future again, I'm afraid.
When the war was winding down, the Nazis were using their few working trains to take people to death camps as opposed to supplies to the Eastern Front. But the Holocaust was stupid only in so far as they wasted resources on industrial murder. By the way that"s "Aryan". And indeed most pure breeds tend to end up with diseases or conditions singular to that breed. The best thing is hybrid vigor (i.e., mutts).
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2012, 12:40:58 PM »
Quote from: Foreigner on August 30, 2012, 08:18:07 PM
Yes, when it comes to war strategy alone, attacking Russia is probably #1. I just felt like putting the Holocaust first, because I personally think it's the dumbest thing ever.

Don't get me wrong, not just because I learned at school etc. that this was horrible and as a German I'm supposed to think that way. I'm actually pretty good at ignoring what society tries to indoctrinate me with, otherwise I wouldn't even be talking to American conservatives at all, haha.

Also I have to disappoint you if you're Jewish. Because as much as I respect how Jewish people value education, I also know how people in Israel tend to be dicks about anything from who's first in line at the supermarket to who's right about driving where on the roads. (You'll know what I mean if you've been there.)

But from any reasonable point of view, the Holocaust was idiotic and insane. I'm pretty sure that even if you applied modern day genetics, it still would prove to be complete nonsense to kill all those people. Well, I guess according to modern day genetics the whole "Arian" thing is pretty silly.

To be honest, the true "master race" would be a mix of lots of different races' attributes, not some inbred people (I'm exaggerating here). We'll have to worry about this kind of thing in the future again, I'm afraid.
There's more than an ocean between us, Foreigner.

Killing millions of Jews simply because they were Jewish was sorta stupid, yeah. But it was also EVIL. It was BAD, which is the diametric opposite of GOOD. It was premeditated MURDER on an industrial scale. The term BUTCHERY, though often applied to the Holocaust, is not proper because butchers slaughter dumb animals for the purpose of feeding people. The friendly folks who ran the extermination camps killed people by the thousands simply to make them dead. They believed that, because you were Jewish or homosexual or mentally retarded or a Gypsy or Polish, etc., etc., you did not deserve life. That is premeditated MURDER.

If you think that "as a German," you're "supposed to think that way" (that the Holocaust was horrible), you have light years to travel on your journey to humanity. If you think there is even a concept called the "master race," you'll find no home here.
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2012, 07:37:50 PM »
I did not read all of this thread but has anyone yet mentioned the stupidity of Hitler declaring war on the USA after Pearl Harbor?  Now that was with out a doubt the stupidest thing Hitler did to bring him down.
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2012, 06:57:37 AM »
Hitler sucked at picking allies.  Italy and Japan were worse than useless.
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2012, 02:12:26 PM »
Really?  Japan was useless?  You're funny.
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2012, 02:16:47 PM »
Quote from: a777pilot on November 11, 2012, 02:12:26 PM
Really?  Japan was useless?

Yes.  You see, it did something called "Pearl Harbor".

Nice attempt to project your entirely unrelated argument with me into a thread, to attack an innocent statement on a random board, but you lack the critical thinking skills to make it stick.
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2012, 06:11:06 PM »
Japan was not, repeat, not, an inconsequential ally of Germany.  I have a cousin still aboard the USS Arizona and an uncle KIA on Bougainville.  Both Marines that might not agree with your assessment of the quality of the Japs.
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2012, 06:19:41 PM »
p.s.,   You stated, "...but you lack the critical thinking skills...".  I must agree with you.  I am, if nothing else, dumb, stupid, ignorant and basically a burden on this country.  So do keep this in mind when next, or if, you reply to me or comment on a post of mine.

Thank you.
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2012, 07:32:09 AM »
Quote from: a777pilot on November 11, 2012, 06:19:41 PM
p.s.,   You stated, "...but you lack the critical thinking skills...".  I must agree with you.  I am, if nothing else, dumb, stupid, ignorant and basically a burden on this country.  So do keep this in mind when next, or if, you reply to me or comment on a post of mine.

Thank you.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Be nice, he's head water boy for the DNC, that's quite a position of power, ya know. :wink:
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2012, 01:00:11 PM »
Quote from: a777pilot on November 11, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
Japan was not, repeat, not, an inconsequential ally of Germany.  I have a cousin still aboard the USS Arizona and an uncle KIA on Bougainville.  Both Marines that might not agree with your assessment of the quality of the Japs.

Clearly, you think that being able to give the Americans a lot of trouble makes them useful.  That only makes them useful tactically.  From a Grand Strategy standpoint, Japan brought America into the war against the Axis powers.  That is a net loss for Germany.
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2012, 01:47:55 PM »
No they did NOT!

You might want to re-read your, or the correct history.

Hitler declared war on the United States.  There was no treaty obligation to do so.  That was stupid of him. 
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2012, 04:10:32 PM »
Quote from: a777pilot on November 13, 2012, 01:47:55 PM
No they did NOT!

You might want to re-read your, or the correct history.

Hitler declared war on the United States.  There was no treaty obligation to do so.  That was stupid of him.

Hitler declared war on the United States the day after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.  Coincidence?  Obviously not.  Hitler wanted to put his weight behind Japan.  He was horribly wrong in doing so (again).
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2012, 04:30:52 PM »
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:10:32 PM
Hitler declared war on the United States the day after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.  Coincidence?  Obviously not.  Hitler wanted to put his weight behind Japan.  He was horribly wrong in doing so (again).

It was 11 DEC 1941 not 8 DEC 1941.  There was no legal/treaty obligation to do so.
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2012, 04:36:05 PM »
Quote from: a777pilot on November 13, 2012, 04:30:52 PM
It was 11 DEC 1941 not 8 DEC 1941.

OK.

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  There was no legal/treaty obligation to do so.

But Hitler obviously declared war on the USA as a direct act of support for Japan, unless if you think that the closeness in dates is a sheer coincidence.  Ergo, Japan dragged Germany into a war with the United States, regardless of whether it was by treaty or simply Hitler's idiocy.
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Re: The Worst Miscalculation Of World War II
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2012, 04:40:52 PM »
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:36:05 PM
OK.

But Hitler obviously declared war on the USA as a direct act of support for Japan, unless if you think that the closeness in dates is a sheer coincidence.  Ergo, Japan dragged Germany into a war with the United States, regardless of whether it was by treaty or simply Hitler's idiocy.

I'm sure Hitler declared war on the USA after the Jap attack on America because Japan declared war on Russia after Germany invaded Russia.

ROFLMAO!

On the great side of Hitler's stupidity, this act sealed his fate.  That was a good thing.
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