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quiller

I can see from the above I need to re-read my Shirer on those events.

mdgiles

Quote from: mdgiles on June 16, 2014, 12:06:28 PM
Nope the Axis alliance only worked if one of the members was attacked. Since Japan attacked the US. Germany was under no obligation to declare war. Hitler declared war, in the hop that Japan would declare war on the USSR. He wasn't aware of the ass kicking that the Japanese had taken from the Soviets in Mongolia.
Incidentally, why did the Nazis wait thill the last minute to give the Japanese modern weapons? Image those battles in Mongolia, if the Japanese had 88's.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

TboneAgain

Quote from: quiller on June 16, 2014, 08:58:06 PM
I can see from the above I need to re-read my Shirer on those events.

Do you consider Shirer a good source?

I think of him as a sort of William Manchester, a whitewasher with liberal colors.
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quiller

Quote from: TboneAgain on June 24, 2014, 05:00:08 PM
Do you consider Shirer a good source?

I think of him as a sort of William Manchester, a whitewasher with liberal colors.

Recalling that (1) Shirer was a CBS alumnus and (2) wrote most of Rise & Fall under Democratic administrations....yes. He was still more objective than most.

TboneAgain

Quote from: quiller on June 24, 2014, 05:28:38 PM
Recalling that (1) Shirer was a CBS alumnus and (2) wrote most of Rise & Fall under Democratic administrations....yes. He was still more objective than most.

I think he brought good original material to light. But he was quite clearly a Democrat and a liberal. His histories didn't lean the way Manchester's did -- holy cow, Manchester probably had an FDR shrine in his home where her worshiped daily -- but the lean was still there.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. -- Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; IT IS FORCE. -- George Washington