January 27th, 1973: the United States, South Vietnam, North Vietnam, and the Viet Cong sign the Paris Peace Accords, guaranteeing the right of self-determination to the South Vietnamese people.April 30th, 1975: President Duong Van Minh of South Vietnam announces the nation's unconditional surrender to the North, ending the decade-long conflict and enabling the merger of both countries into the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.What happened in two short years to cause such a dramatic reversal?In An American Amnesia, respected political commentator Bruce Herschensohn re-examines the incredible actions taken by the 94th Congress and by many American citizens which forced South Vietnam's surrender, an event that brought about immense tragedy for Southeast Asians and haunts our political landscape to this day. Drawing on notes, speeches, and writings from his own experiences in Southeast Asia, as well as in the United States Information Agency and in the White House, Herschensohn fills in important facts in that period of history and warns against the danger of succumbing to a similar voluntary amnesia in the future.
There's a book by Peter Braestrup, called The Big Story. Basically it tells how the Tet Offensive was misinterpreted by the media from a horrible Communist defeat into a "victory". Imagine if the media had been allowed to reinterpret the Battle of the Bulge, into "proof" that our President had been lying to us about the Nazis being on the verge of defeat. And that is the basis of much of the Vietnam War; the Leftist media running wild. They couldn't do that today, their monopoly on information has bee shattered. Although we still seem to still have traitorous swine in our own government.
I would suggest that while we militarily kicked the Cong's asses, primarily with an overwhelming number of men, materiel, and money, 58000 names, on that wall in DC, says we lost that sumbiching war. That does not include the overwhelming number of maimed and mutilated soldiers that lived out and are living out their lives as shells of men.I would suggest farther it was not our business to get involved in the war to begin with.
Thank you liberals and socialists, as in the French.
I must agree it was mistake to become involved. However, hindsight is 20-20. When JFK decided to escalate there was the "Domino Theory" that one victory for communists in the Far East would lead to many more falling. Today, we realize that was a miscalculation. What is sad is how our returning troops were treated and they had nothing to do with the policy. They were patriots and most were drafted. I was a college student and had a 2-S deferment. There were quite a few deferments so single HS grads became the most likely to be drafted. I lost two frat brothers there and it has turned out to be such a waste.
Ike first sent military advisers there. Kennedy escalated it quite a bit, but the son of a bitch LBJ went whole hog.
And Nixon was able to secure a peace that meant a free South Vietnam, then Democratic Congress stopped military aid too ARVN.
My point with this thread though, like you said, it was Kennedy and LBJ that escalated it into a war, but today this war is blamed solely on Nixon who was the only person able to stop it. I'm not saying Nixon was a good Republican or a conservative, but he was right that the only way to stop the communist was too bomb the hell out of them. This does not clear him from falling for the Zhenbau deception and opening relation with Communist China though.
I really have to disagree here. While Nixon did acquire a cease fire, the Cong played it for all it was worth, dragging the talks on ad infinitum with the blood of thousands more people spilled in that God forsaken hole. I have little doubt South Vietnam was never going to be free in the sense we know. They had been run by despots for a long time; the corruption was palpable. Besides, North and South Vietnam had been created by the UN, arbitrarily splitting the country without regard to what the people wanted. The same as with North and South Korea.Nixon, in my estimation, though rightfully blamed for lots of shit, was not blamed for the debacle in Vietnam.
Their may be a modicum of truth, Kram, in that assessment. It had slipped my mind that Nixon was Ike's VP, and had been a part of the Big Eastern cabal that stole the nomination from Bob Taft.Nixon was a bastard; of that, there is little doubt.
I got to thinking about it; and I think if you asked anyone 40 YO or younger, who they associate with the Vietnam war, the answer would be overwhelmingly, Nixon.
These are the same people that will tell you that Lincoln was a democrat that stopped evil right wing capitalists from owning and working slaves.