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The Vietnam War - Leftwing controll of history
« on: February 27, 2013, 09:00:55 AM »
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January 27th, 1973: the United States, South Vietnam, North Vietnam, and the Viet Cong sign the Paris Peace Accords, guaranteeing the right of self-determination to the South Vietnamese people.

April 30th, 1975: President Duong Van Minh of South Vietnam announces the nation's unconditional surrender to the North, ending the decade-long conflict and enabling the merger of both countries into the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

What happened in two short years to cause such a dramatic reversal?In An American Amnesia, respected political commentator Bruce Herschensohn re-examines the incredible actions taken by the 94th Congress and by many American citizens which forced South Vietnam's surrender, an event that brought about immense tragedy for Southeast Asians and haunts our political landscape to this day. Drawing on notes, speeches, and writings from his own experiences in Southeast Asia, as well as in the United States Information Agency and in the White House, Herschensohn fills in important facts in that period of history and warns against the danger of succumbing to a similar voluntary amnesia in the future.


http://www.amazon.com/American-Amnesia-Congress-Surrenders-Cambodia/dp/0825306329

Bruce Herschensohn Discusses "An American Amnesia"


I'm thinking of buying this book when i finished my current ones. Anyone else read this?

I think it's amazing that so many people think that the US lost the war, and so badly lost the war when the opposite is true starting when the bombing of the infrastructure and industrial base of North Vietnam and destruction of of the supply lines of the NK in Cambodia.

When I tell people about this they usually refuse to listen and think that the Paris Peace accourds is a conspiracy ravings like 9/11 being insidie job or something similar.

People want to think the US lost so badly because it makes people feel good, its PC history at its best. The capitalist white oppressors looses the war against freedom fighting innocent inferior vietnamese. Left wingers imo, view other ethnic groups as inferior as a way patting themselves on the back acknowledging they are not racist because they patronize other ethnicities. So its no wonder nobody wants to hear the truth about vietnam.

Anyway, anyone read this or know about this?


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Re: The Vietnam War - Leftwing controll of history
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2013, 03:42:13 PM »
There's a book by Peter Braestrup, called The Big Story. Basically it tells how the Tet Offensive was misinterpreted by the media from a horrible Communist defeat into a "victory". Imagine if the media had been allowed to reinterpret the Battle of the Bulge, into "proof" that our President had been lying to us about the Nazis being on the verge of defeat. And that is the basis of much of the Vietnam War; the Leftist media running wild. They couldn't do that today, their monopoly on information has bee shattered. Although we still seem to still have traitorous swine in our own government.
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Re: The Vietnam War - Leftwing controll of history
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2013, 11:04:51 AM »
There's a book by Peter Braestrup, called The Big Story. Basically it tells how the Tet Offensive was misinterpreted by the media from a horrible Communist defeat into a "victory". Imagine if the media had been allowed to reinterpret the Battle of the Bulge, into "proof" that our President had been lying to us about the Nazis being on the verge of defeat. And that is the basis of much of the Vietnam War; the Leftist media running wild. They couldn't do that today, their monopoly on information has bee shattered. Although we still seem to still have traitorous swine in our own government.

Yeah, when I was in the army I confronted a fellow private who claimed the US got its ass kicked in Vietnam by the Tet Offensive with the fact that the Tet offensive was the greatest mistake of the NV. There was no chance of breaking through though, historical facts rarely penetrates ideological facts.

Thats the good thing about the internet, and also the reason the libs want to control it so much. I blame the failed election on the lack of unity within the republican base, same reason I blame the republicans for allowing Taft and Teddy to derail their own campaigns allowing Wilson to win.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2013, 12:05:57 PM »
I would suggest that while we militarily kicked the Cong's asses, primarily with an overwhelming number of men, materiel, and money, 58000 names, on that wall in DC, says we lost that sumbiching war. That does not include the overwhelming number of maimed and mutilated soldiers that lived out and are living out their lives as shells of men.

I would suggest farther it was not our business to get involved in the war to begin with.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2013, 01:07:23 PM »
I would suggest that while we militarily kicked the Cong's asses, primarily with an overwhelming number of men, materiel, and money, 58000 names, on that wall in DC, says we lost that sumbiching war. That does not include the overwhelming number of maimed and mutilated soldiers that lived out and are living out their lives as shells of men.

I would suggest farther it was not our business to get involved in the war to begin with.
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Re: The Vietnam War - Leftwing controll of history
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2013, 01:09:41 PM »
I would suggest that while we militarily kicked the Cong's asses, primarily with an overwhelming number of men, materiel, and money, 58000 names, on that wall in DC, says we lost that sumbiching war. That does not include the overwhelming number of maimed and mutilated soldiers that lived out and are living out their lives as shells of men.

I would suggest farther it was not our business to get involved in the war to begin with.

I must agree it was mistake to become involved. However, hindsight is 20-20. When JFK decided to escalate there was the "Domino Theory" that one victory for communists in the Far East would lead to many more falling. Today, we realize that was a miscalculation. What is sad is how our returning troops were treated and they had nothing to do with the policy. They were patriots and most were drafted. I was a college student and had a 2-S deferment. There were quite a few deferments so single HS grads became the most likely to be drafted. I lost two frat brothers there and it has turned out to be such a waste.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2013, 04:37:25 PM »
Thank you liberals and socialists, as in the French.

Yeppers! Those were the good mold days when we could blame the wars on liberals and DIMS. Those days are long gone.
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Re: The Vietnam War - Leftwing controll of history
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2013, 04:39:53 PM »
I must agree it was mistake to become involved. However, hindsight is 20-20. When JFK decided to escalate there was the "Domino Theory" that one victory for communists in the Far East would lead to many more falling. Today, we realize that was a miscalculation. What is sad is how our returning troops were treated and they had nothing to do with the policy. They were patriots and most were drafted. I was a college student and had a 2-S deferment. There were quite a few deferments so single HS grads became the most likely to be drafted. I lost two frat brothers there and it has turned out to be such a waste.

Ike first sent military advisers there. Kennedy escalated it quite a bit, but the son of a bitch LBJ went whole hog.
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Re: The Vietnam War - Leftwing controll of history
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2013, 02:56:41 AM »
Ike first sent military advisers there. Kennedy escalated it quite a bit, but the son of a bitch LBJ went whole hog.

And Nixon was able to secure a peace that meant a free South Vietnam, then Democratic Congress stopped military aid too ARVN.

My point with this thread though, like you said, it was Kennedy and LBJ that escalated it into a war, but today this war is blamed solely on Nixon who was the only person able to stop it. I'm not saying Nixon was a good Republican or a conservative, but he was right that the only way to stop the communist was too bomb the hell out of them. This does not clear him from falling for the Zhenbau deception and opening relation with Communist China though.
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Re: The Vietnam War - Leftwing controll of history
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2013, 04:05:56 AM »
Political wars, that are orchestrated by politicians and cost the blood and lives of the guys on the ground, always suck. There is no winning.

This is just my opinion, but I think JFK signaled our weakness and lack of determination with the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and that helped embolden the commies. I also think that we should have kept the ground war to a minimum, and gone straight for the VC leadership and cities. Vietnam started us on the path of fighting "politically correct" wars; problem is, it costs American lives. :sad:

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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2013, 05:46:18 AM »
And Nixon was able to secure a peace that meant a free South Vietnam, then Democratic Congress stopped military aid too ARVN.

I really have to disagree here. While Nixon did acquire a cease fire, the Cong played it for all it was worth, dragging the talks on ad infinitum with the blood of thousands more people spilled in that God forsaken hole.

I have little doubt South Vietnam was never going to be free in the sense we know. They had been run by despots for a long time; the corruption was palpable. Besides, North and South Vietnam had been created by the UN, arbitrarily splitting the country without regard to what the people wanted. The same as with North and South Korea.

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My point with this thread though, like you said, it was Kennedy and LBJ that escalated it into a war, but today this war is blamed solely on Nixon who was the only person able to stop it. I'm not saying Nixon was a good Republican or a conservative, but he was right that the only way to stop the communist was too bomb the hell out of them. This does not clear him from falling for the Zhenbau deception and opening relation with Communist China though.

Nixon, in my estimation, though rightfully blamed for lots of shit, was not blamed for the debacle in Vietnam.

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2013, 06:16:29 AM »
I really have to disagree here. While Nixon did acquire a cease fire, the Cong played it for all it was worth, dragging the talks on ad infinitum with the blood of thousands more people spilled in that God forsaken hole.

I have little doubt South Vietnam was never going to be free in the sense we know. They had been run by despots for a long time; the corruption was palpable. Besides, North and South Vietnam had been created by the UN, arbitrarily splitting the country without regard to what the people wanted. The same as with North and South Korea.

Nixon, in my estimation, though rightfully blamed for lots of shit, was not blamed for the debacle in Vietnam.


The left is busy rewriting all of US history:

http://www.amazon.com/Nixons-Vietnam-War-Modern-Studies/dp/0700611908#_


Compellingly written and painstakingly researched, Nixon's Vietnam War combines grand synthesis with new information and revealing insights, including the perspectives of the Vietnamese and their Chinese and Soviet allies. As more is disclosed about the war, it will serve as an indispensable resource for understanding both that tragic conflict and the troubled mind of the leader who ultimately prolonged it.[/i]

From here:

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/kimnix.html
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2013, 07:25:12 AM »
Their may be a modicum of truth, Kram, in that assessment. It had slipped my mind that Nixon was Ike's VP, and had been a part of the Big Eastern cabal that stole the nomination from Bob Taft.

Nixon was a bastard; of that, there is little doubt.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2013, 07:49:05 AM »
Their may be a modicum of truth, Kram, in that assessment. It had slipped my mind that Nixon was Ike's VP, and had been a part of the Big Eastern cabal that stole the nomination from Bob Taft.

Nixon was a bastard; of that, there is little doubt.

I got to thinking about it; and I think if you asked anyone 40 YO or younger, who they associate with the Vietnam war, the answer would be overwhelmingly, Nixon.

These are the same people that will tell you that Lincoln was a democrat that stopped evil right wing capitalists from owning and working slaves.

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2013, 08:15:27 AM »
I got to thinking about it; and I think if you asked anyone 40 YO or younger, who they associate with the Vietnam war, the answer would be overwhelmingly, Nixon.

That may be, but even though he was a sumbich, he did not start that mo-fo war.

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These are the same people that will tell you that Lincoln was a democrat that stopped evil right wing capitalists from owning and working slaves.

Actually, Lincoln had been a Whig, serving the big eastern corporate mercantilist that took the Southern tariffs to improve the infrastructure of the North.

Hell, his own wife's family was a large owner of slaves in Kentucky.
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