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Re: The Inevitable American Civil War in the 21st Century
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2019, 07:18:57 AM »
Correction: Trump has not broken a single promise, but you knew that when you lied.
I know you don't know this because you don't want to know the truth, but the Dims won the house because the Right refused to support the RINO already seated and up for reelection.
Do some research, all those Congress critters walked away from a cushy job, but why would they do that? Because they knew TEA was never going to support them, so instead of humiliation at the ballot box, they took their reelection treasure chest and ran away.

No, the Dims only won because the other team didn't show up. The House is on very fragile ground and will most likely flip because of all the bone headed moves the Dim party is making, that, and the TEA side is going to be supporting candidates that support Trump.
Do you have any clue how many libs have #walkedaway from the Dim party? You will soon enough. :biggrin:

Honestly, did you really know none of this?
Doesn't go with "feelings".

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Re: The Inevitable American Civil War in the 21st Century
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2019, 07:27:10 AM »
Doesn't go with "feelings".
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's it in a nutshell. They HATE Trump so much, they fail to see what's really taking place.
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Re: The Inevitable American Civil War in the 21st Century
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2019, 01:00:55 PM »
An Americn civil war would be decided by  what happens to the American military. If  it remains united and obedient to its commanding officers, it would quickly crush any armed civilian group. If not, then the outcome of a civil war would be determined by which side received the allegiance of its majority, unlesss the surrounding social disintegration was so great that the military just fell apart.

At the moment, the officer corps' allegiance is to the existing government, and will continue to be so so long as that government has democratic legitimacy. A government with contested legitimacy, or two rival woul-=be governments --a dual-power situation -- would be another matter.

Constttutionalists/patriots must not be suckered into a position in which they are seen by the majority of Americans as challenging a government with democratic legitimacy, no matter how much they are provoked.  We cannot win -- in any sense of that term -- without first having the support (active or passive) and/or neutrality of the majority of the American people. 

This requires patience, and 'fire discipline'.

In the meantime, every patriot should, if under the age of 36, join the National Guard, if he or she is not already a veteran or on active dury. The possibility of enlisting in the State Guard, if your state has one, should also be explored. If there is a volunteer civilian police support group, and/or an Emergency Response group, you should be in that. Finally, every patriot should be in the local militia, assuming it's a legitimate and sensible one.

Beware of provocateurs.  Our watchwords must be 'legal, peaceful, and orderly'.  The other side will move heaven and earth to demonize patriots as terrorists, crazies, racists, white supremacists.  They are utterly unscrupulous, and will seek to create evidence for these slanders. We must not fall for their provocations.
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Re: The Inevitable American Civil War in the 21st Century
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2019, 10:13:17 AM »
I just saw this post.  I share your concerns, and even created a thread titled, "DO WE need to worry about our military in a Revolution?" in this forum.  I will not copy the post here, because I do not want to split any discussion between two threads.

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Re: The Inevitable American Civil War in the 21st Century
« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2019, 06:30:03 AM »
This is why I worry about the left trying to take away our second amendment rights. When Beto gets on stage and says he will take our guns, I shiver at the thought of a leftist controlled military sent out to execute their whims. I will say this, if the left thinks they can execute their faschist speech policies and socialist theft, there will be a problem.

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Re: The Inevitable American Civil War in the 21st Century
« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2019, 01:16:48 PM »
Many Generals and Colonels have weighed in and said they would never allow guns to be leveled on US Citizens.  I can vouch for many soldiers I have talked to, that say the same.  And, allies who are less than thrilled with the Gooberment, would likely send aid.
Plus, do the math.  1.5 million active duty.  1.5 million Reserves.
63 million pissed off Americans and most have guns, and the ones that don't, the ones that do, will provide.
The British Army thought it would ride roughshod over the colonists.  It didn't happen.
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Re: The Inevitable American Civil War in the 21st Century
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2020, 11:49:42 AM »
No one can predict the future. Events will shape everything, and we cannot predict them. All we can do is be prepared.

All young (under 36) conservatives who have not yet done military service should enlist in the National Guard. Everyone should join a local militia (go to  MyMilitia.com to find one).

And we should think about the possibility -- which I believe is very real -- that we will soon find ourself in a permanent national minority, with an increasingly-radical Democratic Party taking over both branches of Congress and the Executive.

In that case, there is just one alternative -- even a successfully-fought civil war would put us in the position of being a minority-in-power.  There is an alternative, but at the moment most people would find it too radical to entertain.

Those interested in this subject need to Google on FH Buckley, and look at his most recent books.
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Re: The Inevitable American Civil War in the 21st Century
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2020, 11:59:16 AM »
No one can predict the future. Events will shape everything, and we cannot predict them. All we can do is be prepared.

All young (under 36) conservatives who have not yet done military service should enlist in the National Guard. Everyone should join a local militia (go to  MyMilitia.com to find one).

And we should think about the possibility -- which I believe is very real -- that we will soon find ourself in a permanent national minority, with an increasingly-radical Democratic Party taking over both branches of Congress and the Executive.

In that case, there is just one alternative -- even a successfully-fought civil war would put us in the position of being a minority-in-power.  There is an alternative, but at the moment most people would find it too radical to entertain.

Those interested in this subject need to Google on FH Buckley, and look at his most recent books.
Just out of curiosity, who will we be preparing for? The democrat party is more likely to have a civil war within their own ranks and members than to declare war on the conservatives.

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Re: The Inevitable American Civil War in the 21st Century
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2020, 04:06:08 PM »
"Just out of curiosity, who will we be preparing for? The democrat party is more likely to have a civil war within their own ranks and members than to declare war on the conservatives. "

The times we are living in put great stresses on all societies. Immigration, inequality, a big depression, a military humiliation as we slide into second place in the world, continued decay of the culture -- all of these issues will impact the US. The key fact is the steady growth of the progressive mindset among the younger generations.  Many conservatives like to fool themselves and believe that this will all be reversed. And it may be ... I hope it is.

But I think we're seeing a profound shift in values -- a large proportion of our population, especially among the young, no longer love their country. This means we've lost the social glue that holds its various tribes together. 

Of course these stresses are felt within the political parties -- both of them. But the Democrats will soon be in the hands of the hard Left. The may well command a national majority -- both houses of Congress and the executive.  They will do things to make this permanent: give the DACAs the vote, make Puerto Rico and Washington DC into states, thus getting an extra 4 senators, making your driver's license your voter registration card and possibly fining those who don't vote -- which will benefit them more than us.

It may well be that the great majority of people calling themselves conservative will just accept this. 

But it's not impossible that some dramatic event could occur, perhaps as the culmination of a series of such events ... an attempt by the government (controlled by the Democrats, in turn controlled by the Hard Left) to seize guns might be an example ... that would spark widespread resistance moving over into armed conflict. 

It's impossible to predict the future.  But it's wrong to think the US is somehow magically exempt from the laws of history and if you look at other coutnries -- including European ones -- you see that civil war, or some other violent wrenching of the social/political order, has actually been rather common in the past 150 years.

A good book to read is John Merriman's The Massacre, about the Paris Commune of 1871. And the contemporary author FH Buckley has just come out with a book exploring the possiblities of civil war in the US, although I have not read it yet.
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Re: The Inevitable American Civil War in the 21st Century
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2020, 05:17:56 PM »
"Just out of curiosity, who will we be preparing for? The democrat party is more likely to have a civil war within their own ranks and members than to declare war on the conservatives. "
And this is a bad thing, why?

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The times we are living in put great stresses on all societies. Immigration, inequality, a big depression, a military humiliation as we slide into second place in the world,

WTF Aare you talking about?
Trump is ending illegal immigration and sending them many of them back as I type. What inequality are you talking about? Everyone in this country lives under the same Constitution as everyone else.
The Depression ended when Trump took office. "a military humiliation as we slide into second place in the world" Again, WTF are you yammering on about now?

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continued decay of the culture -- all of these issues will impact the US. The key fact is the steady growth of the progressive mindset among the younger generations.  Many conservatives like to fool themselves and believe that this will all be reversed. And it may be ... I hope it is.
Reversed? Possibly, but a job and less govt handouts tend to wake kids up when the real world hits them. You don't have to reverse anything, maturity tends to do this all by itself.

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But I think we're seeing a profound shift in values -- a large proportion of our population, especially among the young, no longer love their country. This means we've lost the social glue that holds its various tribes together.
 
Why are you under the illusion this is somehow a fixed position? Many kids grow up knowing absolutely nothing about the world around them, sometimes little beyond moms basement, but as some point they'll have to meet the real world and get a job, start paying taxes, even get a  mortgage. You still think they're going to hate this country forever?

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Of course these stresses are felt within the political parties -- both of them. But the Democrats will soon be in the hands of the hard Left. The may well command a national majority -- both houses of Congress and the executive.  They will do things to make this permanent: give the DACAs the vote, make Puerto Rico and Washington DC into states, thus getting an extra 4 senators, making your driver's license your voter registration card and possibly fining those who don't vote -- which will benefit them more than us.
I'll just be succinct. The Dim party is dead, they committed suicide.

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It may well be that the great majority of people calling themselves conservative will just accept this.
 
So now you're telling us how we think as well? Remember TEA and how we kneecapped the Dim party of gaining new blood, or how we've driven more than 50 RINO into retirement, have McCON-nel walking on eggshells because Trump has put the party on notice?
Something tells me you don't pay much attention to what's actually happening and spend mot of your time at conspiracy sites hoping for a civil war.

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But it's not impossible that some dramatic event could occur, perhaps as the culmination of a series of such events ... an attempt by the government (controlled by the Democrats, in turn controlled by the Hard Left) to seize guns might be an example ... that would spark widespread resistance moving over into armed conflict. 
Og Jeeeezus, there are more guns in the hands of the American citizen than our entire military force combined. No one is coming to take anyone's guns away, unless they want to die.

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It's impossible to predict the future.  But it's wrong to think the US is somehow magically exempt from the laws of history and if you look at other coutnries -- including European ones -- you see that civil war, or some other violent wrenching of the social/political order, has actually been rather common in the past 150 years.
Gee, and how old are we?

A good book to read is John Merriman's The Massacre, about the Paris Commune of 1871. And the contemporary author FH Buckley has just come out with a book exploring the possiblities of civil war in the US, although I have not read it yet.
Then how do you know they're any good? Why are you comparing us to the French and the rise of communism? I see absolutely no connection whatsoever.
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