The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America

Started by Solar, July 04, 2012, 10:36:06 AM

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Quote from: mdgiles on July 06, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
Were his ancestors free on July 4th, 1776? How about July 4th,  1783? 1800 to 1865? You want to celebrate a day in the past, but resent having someone point out that past differed for their ancestors. That on that great day for freedom, they weren't free.And you still cannot get it through your head that being aware of the past is not living in the past. So do you advise Holocaust survivors or their children to "get over it". How about writing letters to the Israeli government and advise them they should "get over" those problems they're having with the Palestinians. Maybe you could contact the Dahlia Lama, and tell he really should "get over" the Chinese occupying his country. How about Poles "getting over" their inordinate fear of the Russians? For some reason, you recognize that making that suggestion, in any one of those other cases would be seen as arrogant and insulting. But you never hesitate to make it to blacks.

Um, prior to July 4, 1776, no one on the planet was free. There were the rulers, and to some extent, everyone else lived under some degree of slavery. To make slavery into an American invention is pure bullshit. It's the way the world worked back then.

I'm getting real damned tired of having the back of America whipped, because slavery occurred here.
Do your homework.................................do you think the pyramids were built by people making minimum wage in a union job?
How would you like to fight to the death in the Roman  Coliseum? Just for entertainment. Those were white people, or anyone that came along.

If you're unwilling to forgive America for slavery................................move.

Solar

Quote from: mdgiles on July 06, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
Were his ancestors free on July 4th, 1776? How about July 4th,  1783? 1800 to 1865? You want to celebrate a day in the past, but resent having someone point out that past differed for their ancestors. That on that great day for freedom, they weren't free.
Let me spell it out.
Had it not been for the vision of OUR Founders, he as well as you and I may very well be living in slavery today.
So yes, he be thanking this country, rather than blaming it for making him free and rich.

QuoteAnd you still cannot get it through your head that being aware of the past is not living in the past. So do you advise Holocaust survivors or their children to "get over it". How about writing letters to the Israeli government and advise them they should "get over" those problems they're having with the Palestinians. Maybe you could contact the Dahlia Lama, and tell he really should "get over" the Chinese occupying his country. How about Poles "getting over" their inordinate fear of the Russians? For some reason, you recognize that making that suggestion, in any one of those other cases would be seen as arrogant and insulting. But you never hesitate to make it to blacks.
My family are holocaust survivors, but so what, they lived and went on to have families.
In prospering, they thumbed their noses at those that tried to eradicate them from the face of the earth.
Difference in you and me? I wear it as a badge of honor, you on the other hand want to claim victim status.
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Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2012, 06:02:25 PM
Let me spell it out.
Had it not been for the vision of OUR Founders, he as well as you and I may very well be living in slavery today.
So yes, he be thanking this country, rather than blaming it for making him free and rich.
My family are holocaust survivors, but so what, they lived and went on to have families.
In prospering, they thumbed their noses at those that tried to eradicate them from the face of the earth.
Difference in you and me? I wear it as a badge of honor, you on the other hand want to claim victim status.

Too many people have died from/for this country, (white, black, and of all religions), for us to be the whipping boy of the planet. Obama's continuing apology tour makes me sick to my stomach. The people that hate this country, should simply move to another location. Problem fucking solved.

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Quote from: kramarat on July 06, 2012, 05:54:56 PM
Um, prior to July 4, 1776, no one on the planet was free. There were the rulers, and to some extent, everyone else lived under some degree of slavery. To make slavery into an American invention is pure bullshit. It's the way the world worked back then.

I'm getting real damned tired of having the back of America whipped, because slavery occurred here.
Do your homework.................................do you think the pyramids were built by people making minimum wage in a union job?
How would you like to fight to the death in the Roman  Coliseum? Just for entertainment. Those were white people, or anyone that came along.

If you're unwilling to forgive America for slavery................................move.
America was the place that was supposed to believe in freedom remember. So their hypocrisy was particularly blatant.
QuoteDr. Samuel Johnson's question, "How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty from the drivers of Negroes?"
Saying that's just the way things were, is no excuse because they were supposed to be better than that. It was America that laid out the standards - and then didn't live up to them. Oh, and the pyramids were built by peasants who were paid in grain and beer, and built for the glory of their God King.

Oh, I don't have to forgive America for slavery, America has to forgive itself. If America had forgiven itself, slavery would be no more than a historical fact.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

Solar

Quote from: kramarat on July 06, 2012, 06:11:47 PM
Too many people have died from/for this country, (white, black, and of all religions), for us to be the whipping boy of the planet. Obama's continuing apology tour makes me sick to my stomach. The people that hate this country, should simply move to another location. Problem fucking solved.
According to Giles, were supposed to feel guilty for for being white, I guess.
What's that about paying for you fathers debt? In this case, great grand fathers debt, except for the fact that my family wasn't even here then.
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If America had forgiven itself, slavery would be no more than a historical fact.

Well there you go. Excellent observation. It's people like you, that prevent that from happening. You, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Obama, Reverend Wright..........................the list goes on. I hope you're proud of the club you belong to.

Nice work!!!!

tbone0106

Quote from: kramarat on July 06, 2012, 06:43:38 PM
If America had forgiven itself, slavery would be no more than a historical fact.

Well there you go. Excellent observation. It's people like you, that prevent that from happening. You, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Obama, Reverend Wright..........................the list goes on. I hope you're proud of the club you belong to.

Nice work!!!!
Actually, I think Giles' observation is marvelously clear and accurate. It's actually true that if America could forgive itself, it would be over. But our failure to do so has led to our government doing wrong and stupid things, like racial quotas, like fighting simple little things like Voter ID, and so on. Government can only act to change people's behavior -- in and of itself a thing government SHOULD NOT DO. But what government can never do is change the way people think.

I have to say that lumping Giles in with Jackson, Sharpton, etc. was pretty crude. The man has posted here over three THOUSAND times, and I've been here for every one of 'em. He does not fit in with that group.

Solar

Quote from: tbone0106 on July 06, 2012, 06:50:29 PM
Actually, I think Giles' observation is marvelously clear and accurate. It's actually true that if America could forgive itself, it would be over. But our failure to do so has led to our government doing wrong and stupid things, like racial quotas, like fighting simple little things like Voter ID, and so on. Government can only act to change people's behavior -- in and of itself a thing government SHOULD NOT DO. But what government can never do is change the way people think.

I have to say that lumping Giles in with Jackson, Sharpton, etc. was pretty crude. The man has posted here over three THOUSAND times, and I've been here for every one of 'em. He does not fit in with that group.
Personally I think Giles has a good head on him, it's the deep seated anger that clouds his vision at times.
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Quote from: tbone0106 on July 06, 2012, 06:50:29 PM
Actually, I think Giles' observation is marvelously clear and accurate. It's actually true that if America could forgive itself, it would be over. But our failure to do so has led to our government doing wrong and stupid things, like racial quotas, like fighting simple little things like Voter ID, and so on. Government can only act to change people's behavior -- in and of itself a thing government SHOULD NOT DO. But what government can never do is change the way people think.

I have to say that lumping Giles in with Jackson, Sharpton, etc. was pretty crude. The man has posted here over three THOUSAND times, and I've been here for every one of 'em. He does not fit in with that group.

I do tend to get crude at times.................for a reason. There is obviously nothing I can say or do to help Giles get past this. On this particular subject, he sounds very similar to the people I mentioned. Sometimes the truth sucks.

Has America done bad shit? Yep.

I'm tired of seeing her being beaten down for it. One of these days, she's not gonna be able to get back up. My aim is to prevent that day from getting here.

I'll be as crude as I need to be.

tbone0106

Quote from: kramarat on July 06, 2012, 07:16:50 PM
I do tend to get crude at times.................for a reason. There is obviously nothing I can say or do to help Giles get past this. On this particular subject, he sounds very similar to the people I mentioned. Sometimes the truth sucks.

Has America done bad shit? Yep.

I'm tired of seeing her being beaten down for it. One of these days, she's not gonna be able to get back up. My aim is to prevent that day from getting here.

I'll be as crude as I need to be.
What I should have said is that Giles' observation -- that if America could just forgive herself, it would all be over -- is not only clear and accurate, but serves perfectly to separate Giles from Sharpton, Jackson, etc. Those race-mongers would never allow that fact to slip past their lips. It would endanger their meal ticket -- race baiting. Giles understands this and has stated so many times on this board.

In my opinion, the US isn't being "beaten down" as much as she's being DRAGGED down from within. Too many takers. Too much government. Too many taxes on too many things. We're nearing the state where the only solution will be revolution, and I do NOT want to go there.

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Quote from: tbone0106 on July 06, 2012, 07:27:40 PM
What I should have said is that Giles' observation -- that if America could just forgive herself, it would all be over -- is not only clear and accurate, but serves perfectly to separate Giles from Sharpton, Jackson, etc. Those race-mongers would never allow that fact to slip past their lips. It would endanger their meal ticket -- race baiting. Giles understands this and has stated so many times on this board.

In my opinion, the US isn't being "beaten down" as much as she's being DRAGGED down from within. Too many takers. Too much government. Too many taxes on too many things. We're nearing the state where the only solution will be revolution, and I do NOT want to go there.

Read Giles' posts on this thread....................................it's quite obviously not over for him. I don't even really blame him for feeling the way he does. It's just unfortunate. Maybe I'll live to see the day that those feelings no longer exist, but I doubt it.

As far as revolution, a resurgence of common sense and personal responsibility would work for me. Oh..........and getting rid of Obama. We're not Marxists.

tbone0106

Quote from: kramarat on July 06, 2012, 07:44:18 PM
Read Giles' posts on this thread....................................it's quite obviously not over for him. I don't even really blame him for feeling the way he does. It's just unfortunate. Maybe I'll live to see the day that those feelings no longer exist, but I doubt it.

As far as revolution, a resurgence of common sense and personal responsibility would work for me. Oh..........and getting rid of Obama. We're not Marxists.
I read every post, and I'm not saying that Giles ain't full of shit sometimes -- we all are, me most especially, and you too, on occasion. Giles will, I'm sure, happily agree with what I just said. But I am saying that Giles is a poster of long standing and stellar history, and one that I have argued with bitterly, but still consider my online friend. Disagreement is one thing, but lumping ANYONE in with Sharpton, Jackson, etc., is the equivalent of setting off a nuke. That's tossing someone bodily down the basement stairs and locking the door behind him.

Yes, Dear Leader must go, but he is not a Marxist. He is a socialist and a wannabe revolutionary with a nice suit and a couple teleprompters. He is Cloward-Piven standing upright. He is lawlessness personified. He is a stain on the history of the United States.

Solar

Quote from: tbone0106 on July 06, 2012, 07:27:40 PM
What I should have said is that Giles' observation -- that if America could just forgive herself, it would all be over -- is not only clear and accurate, but serves perfectly to separate Giles from Sharpton, Jackson, etc. Those race-mongers would never allow that fact to slip past their lips. It would endanger their meal ticket -- race baiting. Giles understands this and has stated so many times on this board.

In my opinion, the US isn't being "beaten down" as much as she's being DRAGGED down from within. Too many takers. Too much government. Too many taxes on too many things. We're nearing the state where the only solution will be revolution, and I do NOT want to go there.
And how do you propose America get over this?
Let's call a spade a spade here, America did her part, she ended slavery, the onus is is on the black community to forgive and move on.
Can you imagine what kind of mess Japan would be in, had they not moved on, or the Jews, for that matter?

There are two options here and only two, live with hatred and animosity, or forgive and begin the healing process.
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Quote from: tbone0106 on July 06, 2012, 08:03:44 PM
I read every post, and I'm not saying that Giles ain't full of shit sometimes -- we all are, me most especially, and you too, on occasion. Giles will, I'm sure, happily agree with what I just said. But I am saying that Giles is a poster of long standing and stellar history, and one that I have argued with bitterly, but still consider my online friend. Disagreement is one thing, but lumping ANYONE in with Sharpton, Jackson, etc., is the equivalent of setting off a nuke. That's tossing someone bodily down the basement stairs and locking the door behind him.

Yes, Dear Leader must go, but he is not a Marxist. He is a socialist and a wannabe revolutionary with a nice suit and a couple teleprompters. He is Cloward-Piven standing upright. He is lawlessness personified. He is a stain on the history of the United States.
Actually T, he is a Marxist, he is what is known as the new Marxists.
Formed on the day of Marx death, a new party was born, they called themselves Fabian Socialists.
What set them apart from pure Marxism, was they understood that people would never accept Marxism in it's current form, so they threw off the brutality, but that's all.
Aside from that one feature, they are by all accounts, full blown Marxists.
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Quote from: tbone0106 on July 06, 2012, 08:03:44 PM
I read every post, and I'm not saying that Giles ain't full of shit sometimes -- we all are, me most especially, and you too, on occasion. Giles will, I'm sure, happily agree with what I just said. But I am saying that Giles is a poster of long standing and stellar history, and one that I have argued with bitterly, but still consider my online friend. Disagreement is one thing, but lumping ANYONE in with Sharpton, Jackson, etc., is the equivalent of setting off a nuke. That's tossing someone bodily down the basement stairs and locking the door behind him.

Yes, Dear Leader must go, but he is not a Marxist. He is a socialist and a wannabe revolutionary with a nice suit and a couple teleprompters. He is Cloward-Piven standing upright. He is lawlessness personified. He is a stain on the history of the United States.

Aw c'mon. Fighting with Giles was one of my first experiences here. If he's lasted through 3000 posts, I seriously doubt that he feels threatened by my nuke. If I know Giles at all, he's probably more pissed off that you feel the need to rush to his defense. :wink: