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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2012, 05:41:31 PM »
Yep, equally poor slaves to Govt.

I get so tired of this, "Black experience", "Poor me", bullshit.

mdgiles has a lot of great posts, but he should know better than to think that the "black" American, was the only person in history to be abused. Come on.

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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2012, 07:29:22 PM »
I get so tired of this, "Black experience", "Poor me", bullshit.

mdgiles has a lot of great posts, but he should know better than to think that the "black" American, was the only person in history to be abused. Come on.
It's the reason my great grand parents came here, to escape slavery, via communism.
They were Joooos. I'm not, but my grand mother said on her death bed talking to my father. "Son, come closer, I have to tell you something", he leaned in close and she whispered in his ear very quietly, "We're Jewish".
She was so afraid, she had kept that a secret more than 50 years.
She was still afraid that once again they might start coming for the Jews, that she never uttered a word about it to anyone.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2012, 08:06:41 PM »
It's the reason my great grand parents came here, to escape slavery, via communism.
They were Joooos. I'm not, but my grand mother said on her death bed talking to my father. "Son, come closer, I have to tell you something", he leaned in close and she whispered in his ear very quietly, "We're Jewish".
She was so afraid, she had kept that a secret more than 50 years.
She was still afraid that once again they might start coming for the Jews, that she never uttered a word about it to anyone.

Thanks for sharing that. Being a victim is not a "black" experience. It's a human experience.
Being a victim of sexual abuse, is not owned by women.

We can look to the past and try to figure out what we are owed, or we can look to the future, and try to figure out what we can give.
The choice is ours.

The hurt that we have felt, knows no color. Nor will it stop. As soon as we stop trying to even the score, we can truly coexist. Everyone has a skill.


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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2012, 04:02:30 AM »
You're coming real close to pissing me off.

Should I be mad because the Irish were considered second class citizens?

Should I be mad because the Italians were considered second class citizens?

Were you a slave? Let's go to the pit, and talk about how black people are the only f**king victims in history.

The "black" experience, is a human experience. WTF makes you special?
Same tired crap. People come online, downplay the historical facts and then get mad when they're called on them. Irish were considered "second class citizens" at the same time that blacks were considered human cattle. Italians were considered "second class citizens" at the same time as blacks were living under Jim Crow. IN THIS COUNTRY. You see that's the point. answering the historical fact of black history in this country's past, by telling me how badly the Babylonians treated the Israelites, or the Romans treated the Gauls, is kind of a dodge. And what makes me so fucking special is that it happened in this country. I'm a descendent of the people who were the f**king victims of this country's history. And lest you forget, this thread is about this country's history. Strange how when ever the subject arises, some people prefer to minimize it, or rush past it, or start lectures on how it's no worse than other places. And no I wasn't a slave. Did you fight in the Civil War to free the slaves? Or were you on the side that wanted to keep them in chains.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2012, 04:05:34 AM »
Why do I get the feeling that pointing out that whites were also slaves, you somehow interpret it as dismissing the plight of the black man?
There was a time when everyone was subject to slavery, it just happened that white Americans had enough of it and fought to end it.
Because both you and I know that white slavery was never on the scale that black slavery was, and usually the subject is only raised in order to minimize the overwhelming fact of how blacks were treated.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2012, 04:12:45 AM »
How many black people were gassed and burned in the Nazi ovens?
I have no idea, and further I don't care. Europe, America. Two different continents. Two different histories.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2012, 04:17:57 AM »
Keep on believing brother....................black people are the only ones in history that were mistreated.

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How many black bodies do you see in that pit?
Remember earlier, when I pointed out that whenever the subject of black history in America comes up, there's an immediate attempt to sidetrack it. Point is, I don't particularly care about Europeans murdering other Europeans. I've never seen reason the one, as to why Americans should feel any guilt whatsoever over the Holocaust. Americans didn't carry it out, and Americans died to end it.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2012, 04:30:33 AM »
I get so tired of this, "Black experience", "Poor me", bullshit.

mdgiles has a lot of great posts, but he should know better than to think that the "black" American, was the only person in history to be abused. Come on.
At what point have I ever said that the black American was the only person in history to be abused. BUT the abuse of the black American was a major part of the history of THIS country. And the very same people who are happy to claim a connection with the American heroes of the past, seem in a hurry to distance themselves from the not so heroic incidents of the past. Everyone seems to be willing to claim a connection with the Union troops who freed the slaves, but sort of forget that there was an army on the other side. And when subject of that army is brought up, it's all about the usual "Lost Cause" BS, but the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery don'tcha know.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2012, 04:35:03 AM »
It's the reason my great grand parents came here, to escape slavery, via communism.
They were Joooos. I'm not, but my grand mother said on her death bed talking to my father. "Son, come closer, I have to tell you something", he leaned in close and she whispered in his ear very quietly, "We're Jewish".
She was so afraid, she had kept that a secret more than 50 years.
She was still afraid that once again they might start coming for the Jews, that she never uttered a word about it to anyone.
Came here, not brought here. And not exactly brought here to enjoy the freedoms that America offered.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2012, 04:40:53 AM »
Because both you and I know that white slavery was never on the scale that black slavery was, and usually the subject is only raised in order to minimize the overwhelming fact of how blacks were treated.
In America, that's true, but on a broader scale, that statement is pure bullshit!
And no, the minimization is a delusion in your head!
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2012, 04:42:28 AM »
Thanks for sharing that. Being a victim is not a "black" experience. It's a human experience.
Being a victim of sexual abuse, is not owned by women.

We can look to the past and try to figure out what we are owed, or we can look to the future, and try to figure out what we can give.
The choice is ours.

The hurt that we have felt, knows no color. Nor will it stop. As soon as we stop trying to even the score, we can truly coexist. Everyone has a skill.
Sigh . No one is trying to "even the score". But by the same token, pretending that nothing happened is just as bad. A great historical wrong was done, IN THIS COUNTRY. Telling me that people were also treated badly oceans away and centuries ago, isn't going to make that fact go away. Being told that you need to "get over it" - often by the descendents of the people who did "it" to you in the first place - has always struck me as a little self serving on their part.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2012, 04:52:53 AM »
Sigh . No one is trying to "even the score". But by the same token, pretending that nothing happened is just as bad. A great historical wrong was done, IN THIS COUNTRY. Telling me that people were also treated badly oceans away and centuries ago, isn't going to make that fact go away. Being told that you need to "get over it" - often by the descendents of the people who did "it" to you in the first place - has always struck me as a little self serving on their part.
Excuse me, Did what to You, were you a victim of slavery, is that how you see yourself?
Your ancestors were treated no differently than many on this forum, mine were slaves as well, several different generations over time, and amazingly, they moved on and up.

You want to play victim, then fine, but don't drag us into pity pool, we've moved on!
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2012, 05:41:48 AM »
In America, that's true, but on a broader scale, that statement is pure bullshit!
And no, the minimization is a delusion in your head!
But the whole point of that "broader scale" is to minimize and downplay. As I noted, in a conversation on American history why are actions in other lands, in other eras even raised? And raised even when these asides have no connection with American history? The "big picture" is designed to make a "snapshot" look smaller.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2012, 07:28:37 AM »
But the whole point of that "broader scale" is to minimize and downplay. As I noted, in a conversation on American history why are actions in other lands, in other eras even raised? And raised even when these asides have no connection with American history? The "big picture" is designed to make a "snapshot" look smaller.
In Your Mind, maybe.
It's like I always say.
If you are offended by something I say, but I had absolutely no intention of being insulting to you or anyone else, then obviously, you have an issue.
Here's another one, Life's a Bitch, we all had horrible experiences growing up, but it's also what makes us who we are.
You can either grow from them, or lay in victim hood all your life.

If you wonder why I point this out, it's because that's how you project yourself, as a victim.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2012, 07:51:38 AM »
In Your Mind, maybe.
It's like I always say.
If you are offended by something I say, but I had absolutely no intention of being insulting to you or anyone else, then obviously, you have an issue.
Here's another one, Life's a Bitch, we all had horrible experiences growing up, but it's also what makes us who we are.
You can either grow from them, or lay in victim hood all your life.

If you wonder why I point this out, it's because that's how you project yourself, as a victim.
I'm not insulted by a discussion of facts. I've already agreed with you, that indeed you are right, there were white slaves in the Americas, just as there were Native American slaves. What I am arguing with you about is - what seems to me - an attempt to make that slavery the equivalent of black slavery. And it simply wasn't. And of course I ask why the attempt? Just as I ask why make such an issue out of the tiny number of black slave owners, and their comparatively minuscule number of slaves?
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