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The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« on: July 04, 2012, 10:36:06 AM »
Two years ago, Prime Minister Paul Keating of Australia refused to show "proper respect" to Britain's Queen Elizabeth II during her state visit. In response, Terry Dicks, a Conservative member of the British Parliament said, "It's a country of ex-convicts, so we should not be surprised by the rudeness of their prime minister."

A slur such as this would be considered unthinkable if it were uttered against any other class or race of people except the descendants of White slavery. Dicks' remark is not only offensive, it is ignorant and false. Most of Australia's "convicts" were shipped into servitude for such "crimes" as stealing seven yards of lace, cutting trees on an aristocrat's estate or poaching sheep to feed a starving family.

The arrogant disregard for the holocaust visited upon the poor and working class Whites of Britain by the aristocracy continues in our time because the history of that epoch has been almost completely extirpated from our collective memory.

When White servitude is acknowledged as having existed in America, it is almost always termed as temporary "indentured servitude" or part of the convict trade, which, after the Revolution of 1776, centered on Australia instead of America. The "convicts" transported to America under the 1723 Waltham Act, perhaps numbered 100,000.

The indentured servants who served a tidy little period of 4 to 7 years polishing the master's silver and china and then taking their place in colonial high society, were a minuscule fraction of the great unsung hundreds of thousands of White slaves who were worked to death in this country from the early l7th century onward.

Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too.

Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands. Free Black property owners strutted the streets of northern and southern American cities while White slaves were worked to death in the sugar mills of Barbados and Jamaica and the plantations of Virginia.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2012, 10:43:30 AM »
I would be careful about using Michael Anthony Hoffman II, as a source. He is an American journalist, conspiracy theorist and Holocaust denier who describes himself as a "heretical writer." Hoffman is the managing editor of the newsletter Revisionist History.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2012, 10:54:06 AM »


I would be careful about using Michael Anthony Hoffman II, as a source. He is an American journalist, conspiracy theorist and Holocaust denier who describes himself as a "heretical writer." Hoffman is the managing editor of the newsletter Revisionist History.
There are other links to history.
Regardless of who is telling the story, it's still a fact that white slave were the first.
Think Australia.
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/other/white_slavery.htm
Originally no, because slaves weren't always slaves, they were indentures and were freed after seven years. Lifetime chattel slavery was brought to the United States, by British plantation owners who moved from Barbados to South Carolina. Do you know that the Constitution says nothing about slaves, only persons held in servitude. Lincoln in a speech given in Chicago, on July 10, 1858 reminded his audience of that, along with the fact that if the Declaration of Independence's famous clause "that all men were created equal" could be amended to read "except Negros", than it could also be amended to exclude others.
Not true, that was a myth.
George Downing wrote a letter to the honorable John Winthrop Colonial Governor of Massachusetts in 1645, “planters who want to make a fortune in the West Indies must procure white slave labor out of England if they wanted to succeed.”  Lewis Cecil Gray’s History of Agriculture in the Southern United States to 1860 vol.1 pp 316, 318 records Sir George Sandys’ 1618 plan for Virginia, referring to bound whites assigned to the treasurer’s office. “To belong to said office forever.  The service of whites bound to Berkeley Hundred was deemed perpetual.”

The Quoke Walker case in Massachusetts 1773 ruled that; slavery contrary to the state Constitution was applied equally to Blacks and Whites in Massachusetts.

Statutes at Large of Virginia, vol. 1 pp. 174, 198, 200, 243 & 306 did not discriminate Negroes in bondage from Whites in Bondage.


Marcellus Rivers and Oxenbridge Foyle, England’s Slaves 1659 consists of a statement smuggled out of the New World and published in London referring to whites in bondage who did not think of themselves as indentured servants but as “England’s Slaves” and “England’s merchandise.”
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2012, 12:14:26 PM »
Yes but when we speak of white slaves in America, most people assume you're speaking of the 13 colonies. Not, for example, Barbados, where many of the men involve in Monmouth's rebellion were sent; and where their descendants live to this day. Also attempting to conflate chattel slavery with indentured servitude is simply an attempt to muddy the waters.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2012, 01:06:34 PM »
Yes but when we speak of white slaves in America, most people assume you're speaking of the 13 colonies. Not, for example, Barbados, where many of the men involve in Monmouth's rebellion were sent; and where their descendants live to this day. Also attempting to conflate chattel slavery with indentured servitude is simply an attempt to muddy the waters.
No, you're the one mixing the two, indentured servitude is nothing more than working off debt, as in work release from jail, which is also indentured servitude.

And yes, most people think of black slaves, mostly because they were the last enslaved before the law changed.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 02:41:29 PM »
No, you're the one mixing the two, indentured servitude is nothing more than working off debt, as in work release from jail, which is also indentured servitude.

And yes, most people think of black slaves, mostly because they were the last enslaved before the law changed.
Uh no, that were actually black slaves in the Americas, long before the English had even started to settle in the America's. Indeed the first sugar plantations were in Madeira, and were originally worked by North Africans. But these were soon replaced with black slaves from Guinea. Also black slaves had been imported to Brazil and the Sugar Islands of the Caribbean, before America was settled. The first slaves were imported into America in 1617 at Jamestown. Although they were not treated as what we now consider slaves. Indentured servitude was a lot more than working off a debt. You realize that when you consider that you could be imprisoned for debt in Great Britain. However the problem with indentured white workers, was that it was simply too easy for them to disappear into the general population. Which is why few white slaves came to what is now the United States, most - Irish who had revolted during the time of Charles I, Oliver Cromwell, and James II or those who ended up on the wrong side of political uprisings - were sent to Caribbean islands. One other thing, those "white slaves" were often not considered white, but black as they had one drop of black blood. So, question. Why this continually effort to prove that some huge group of white slaves existed in the United States? Note not indentured persons, but slaves. and not in the Caribbean where thousands of white slaves were sent, but in what is now the United States.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2012, 02:52:55 PM »
For cryin' out loud. This site is like crawling through a freaking mine field. :confused:

It was white people that fought and died to free the black slaves. They knew it was wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will white people ever be considered anything but villains?

WTF?

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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2012, 03:20:22 PM »
For cryin' out loud. This site is like crawling through a freaking mine field. :confused:

It was white people that fought and died to free the black slaves. They knew it was wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will white people ever be considered anything but villains?

WTF?
I don't think white's are villains. But I wonder about this continually effort to downplay the black experience in the United States. Telling me that black slave owners in Louisiana owned 10,000 slaves - out of 4,500,000 total slaves - as if that minuscule amount some how negates the total black experience. You know, it's as if the existence the occasional Schindler, negates the Holocaust.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2012, 03:33:32 PM »
I don't think white's are villains. But I wonder about this continually effort to downplay the black experience in the United States. Telling me that black slave owners in Louisiana owned 10,000 slaves - out of 4,500,000 total slaves - as if that minuscule amount some how negates the total black experience. You know, it's as if the existence the occasional Schindler, negates the Holocaust.

You're coming real close to pissing me off.

Should I be mad because the Irish were considered second class citizens?

Should I be mad because the Italians were considered second class citizens?

Were you a slave? Let's go to the pit, and talk about how black people are the only f**king victims in history.

The "black" experience, is a human experience. WTF makes you special?

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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2012, 03:46:49 PM »
How many black people were gassed and burned in the Nazi ovens?

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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2012, 04:19:08 PM »
Keep on believing brother....................black people are the only ones in history that were mistreated.

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How many black bodies do you see in that pit?
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2012, 04:34:12 PM »
Uh no, that were actually black slaves in the Americas, long before the English had even started to settle in the America's. Indeed the first sugar plantations were in Madeira, and were originally worked by North Africans. But these were soon replaced with black slaves from Guinea. Also black slaves had been imported to Brazil and the Sugar Islands of the Caribbean, before America was settled.
Stay with me here, were talking about the US, try and stay with me.

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The first slaves were imported into America in 1617 at Jamestown. Although they were not treated as what we now consider slaves. Indentured servitude was a lot more than working off a debt. You realize that when you consider that you could be imprisoned for debt in Great Britain. However the problem with indentured white workers, was that it was simply too easy for them to disappear into the general population. Which is why few white slaves came to what is now the United States, most - Irish who had revolted during the time of Charles I, Oliver Cromwell, and James II or those who ended up on the wrong side of political uprisings - were sent to Caribbean islands. One other thing, those "white slaves" were often not considered white, but black as they had one drop of black blood. So, question. Why this continually effort to prove that some huge group of white slaves existed in the United States? Note not indentured persons, but slaves. and not in the Caribbean where thousands of white slaves were sent, but in what is now the United States.
Did you even absorb what I posted?

George Downing wrote a letter to the honorable John Winthrop Colonial Governor of Massachusetts in 1645, “planters who want to make a fortune in the West Indies must procure white slave labor out of England if they wanted to succeed.”  Lewis Cecil Gray’s History of Agriculture in the Southern United States to 1860 vol.1 pp 316, 318 records Sir George Sandys’ 1618 plan for Virginia, referring to bound whites assigned to the treasurer’s office. “To belong to said office forever.  The service of whites bound to Berkeley Hundred was deemed perpetual.”

The Quoke Walker case in Massachusetts 1773 ruled that; slavery contrary to the state Constitution was applied equally to Blacks and Whites in Massachusetts.

Statutes at Large of Virginia, vol. 1 pp. 174, 198, 200, 243 & 306 did not discriminate Negroes in bondage from Whites in Bondage.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2012, 04:37:58 PM »
Why do I get the feeling that pointing out that whites were also slaves, you somehow interpret it as dismissing the plight of the black man?
There was a time when everyone was subject to slavery, it just happened that white Americans had enough of it and fought to end it.
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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2012, 04:46:40 PM »
Why do I get the feeling that pointing out that whites were also slaves, you somehow interpret it as dismissing the plight of the black man?
There was a time when everyone was subject to slavery, it just happened that white Americans had enough of it and fought to end it.

While we can learn from the past, we often times choose not to. We are entering a period in which both blacks and whites are slaves. We are doing it voluntarily. Our master will live in Washington...................and we will all be equal.

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Re: The Hidden Truth: White Slaves In Early America
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2012, 04:50:33 PM »
While we can learn from the past, we often times choose not to. We are entering a period in which both blacks and whites are slaves. We are doing it voluntarily. Our master will live in Washington...................and we will all be equal.
Yep, equally poor slaves to Govt.
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