South Korea has cause for concern.

Started by Late-For-Lunch, April 25, 2016, 08:44:56 AM

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Late-For-Lunch

I listened to a military historian/strategist discussing North Korea and the threat they pose.

He said that in the last few days, thousands of Chinese military troops have collected along the border with North Korea, likely composed of the sorts of engineering specialists who do testing of the atmosphere for radiation. This means that The Chinese have concerns about wind-blown contamination from a new test of an atomic bomb (the North Korean testing grounds are in the northern part of the country).

Meanwhile the U.S. and South Korea are conducting military exercises on the northern border of South Korea because they need to have a contingency plan for an attack by North Korea with conventional forces. Likely that would have to include  using tactical nuclear weapons because the North Korean military vastly outnumbers the combined forces of the U.S. and South Korea.
So a large number of the soldiers wear anti-contamination suits in case they are exposed to either hostile nuclear material or blowback from defensive ones.

The North Koreans use photographs of these soldiers with their anti-contamination suits as propaganda to claim that the U.S. and South Korea are "planning a nuclear war" which also provides an excuse to continue their own expansion of their nuclear and ballistic technology.

The strategic reality is that North Korea could cause a whole lot of trouble in a very sort period of time by launching a sudden barrage of artillery at Seoul and U.S. / South Korean military bases. There isn't sufficient anti-artillery counter-measures to stop such as assault, so all the South Korean / U.S. forces could reasonably do would be launch a counter-attack.

But in all likelihood, much of Seoul and many of the bases in the northern part of South Korea would be destroyed before the attack was stopped. This is the sad reality.

That's why every  time North Korea masses troops along their southern border, South Korean forces must respond as if it is preparing for a real attack. This is very costly for the defensive South Korean forces, since it requires a full mobilization of the entire command and deployment structure for combat.

Frankly it would be nice if we just sent in a massive air sortie to nuke the North Korean government - except that would anger the Chinese, who have massive numbers of personnel and large holdings of assets in North Korea.   

To make matter worse, North Korea has a very active weapons development program ongoing with Iran. When Israel's IDF bombed the Syrian nuclear weapon's development plant recently, among the dead were a bunch of North Korean and Iranians.

Incidentally, there is nothing in the so-called "nuclear agreement" the Eightball Obama forced down the throats of the world, about this relationship between Iran and North Korea. The Iranians have regular quarters and facilities for North Korean scientists at all of their nuclear development facilities and North Korea has likely shared all of their technology about both nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles and vice versa.

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Solar

I was stationed on the DMZ in Korea back in the very early 70s, and it was a well known fact that we were expendable, a sort of sacrificial pawn, that if killed, the US would go to war over our sacrifice. That was under Nixon, then came Carter and now under this administration, one would simply be a statistic.

But to the point of NK amassing troops along the SK border, we always welcomed that news, because it meant we had a better chance of survival, as opposed to a surprise missile, artillery attack.
We were told from first warning, we had a total of 90 seconds to take cover before jets crossed and attacked.

Fact is, this has been going on since the so called truce was called, and as long as China supports the communist shit hole, this nonsense will continue.
NK is always extremely careful not to hurt Americans, though we lost a few while I was there due to EID floating down the river...
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That's interesting! The analyst I heard on the radio (not sure what the program was 'cause it was late and I was mostly busy doing other things) mentioned that NK has "thousands" of artillery batteries with targets in SK dialed in. You mentioned the short notice for bombing aircraft - do they really travel faster than artillery shells?  I would think that the artillery shells' travel time would be a matter of seconds while the  jets would be more - not that the difference matters much in a strategic sense. 

I wonder how the Roman Empire would have dealt with nations like North Korea threatening them.

Doubtless if the Roman Legions had possessed thermonuclear weapons, they would have been used frequently over the course of history in decidedly less than purely defensive ways.

You mentioned one of the most destructive things about the current policies of the U.S. government toward its own military. I cannot imagine that any one who goes into the military believing that they will be supported by and supportive of one of the most  moral governments to have ever existed has a very strong sense of this any more.  So I can't believe that the best of the best of our culture will be attracted to military service for much longer.

Under the 'Crats, the military has largely and increasingly become a slave army - used and abused by a leadership structure which treats it as their own private war machine and without the seriousness-of-mind previously lent to consideration of applying military might. Military strength without resolute, consistent foreign policy blunts or neutralizes much of it's value / effectiveness in the real world.   

What better way to destroy the United States and the free world than to shatter the foundation upon which the morale of the U.S. Marines and those who support them are built? Even the Russians treat their own soldiers with regard and reward them accordingly. Our government under the 'Crats largely and increasingly seems to regard the warrior class as not just 2nd class citizens, but sub-human (probably because so many of them are politically conservative and Christians).

In light of this, it is getting more and more difficult not to wish the Eightball Obama and the 'Crats great harm. They are bringing to fruition the words of Churchill:

"The fruits of the actions of leaders of great evil and those of great foolishness are identical."
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My primary thought on this is that NK is China's worst nightmare. They bringing nothing to the Chinese but headaches. NK has to be a drain on the Chinese economy. With that premise, I am thinking China is doing all it can to keep the fat idoit under control.
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Solar

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 25, 2016, 01:20:13 PM
My primary thought on this is that NK is China's worst nightmare. They bringing nothing to the Chinese but headaches. NK has to be a drain on the Chinese economy. With that premise, I am thinking China is doing all it can to keep the fat idoit under control.
Actually, China tells the little fat fuck exactly what to do and say, and not one word more.
NK is the sacrificial lamb, a buffer from Western culture. China fears nothing more than having a free nation on their border, as in a unified Korea.

Keeping a crazy dictator in power is a perfect excuse/distraction. But the truth is, China could easily absorb NK within it's borders and the world wouldn't blink.
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Quote from: Solar on April 25, 2016, 03:28:42 PM
Actually, China tells the little fat fuck exactly what to do and say, and not one word more.
NK is the sacrificial lamb, a buffer from Western culture. China fears nothing more than having a free nation on their border, as in a unified Korea.

Keeping a crazy dictator in power is a perfect excuse/distraction. But the truth is, China could easily absorb NK within it's borders and the world wouldn't blink.

I agree. However, they don't want them. I think they are China's "tar baby". The question is, when will the negatives of NK outweigh the positives for China?
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Solar

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 25, 2016, 05:52:34 PM
I agree. However, they don't want them. I think they are China's "tar baby". The question is, when will the negatives of NK outweigh the positives for China?
You're right, it's a racist thing, they see Koreans as inferior, and keeping them locked away in no mans land is the best of both worlds.
They don't have to deal with subhumans and they get a buffer to the Western world.

(Chinese see everyone as inferior, they are the worst racists in the world)
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