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Offline tac

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This fool reminds me of a troll that use to infest conservative forums years ago, went by the name yukon. He also used padre, digsbody and a few others. He also was a crazy canuck.

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This fool reminds me of a troll that use to infest conservative forums years ago, went by the name yukon. He also used padre, digsbody and a few others. He also was a crazy canuck.
LOL! Yukon, I remember that nut! :lol:
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Who are "the rich" going to start a nuclear war with?

Other rich people.

It is all about market share and profiting from having the lower classes dying to have the rich get richer.

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That Men are not created equal is self-evident from history.

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Jefferson, in his own right, towers over Plato as a leader in 'our modern day revolution' where helping create arguably, one of the greatest working documents/governments in history and unleashing the greatest Nation on earth.

Plato: "Our object in the construction of the State is the greatest happiness of the whole, and not that of any one class."
It would appear you may have misunderstood what Plato was saying?

Socrates mentored Plato, Plato went on to mentor others, Jefferson's life is a culmination of historical events that came well after the great philosophers, where he experienced and gleaned knowledge not yet experienced in Plato' times.

So no, you don't believe that all are equal under the law?
It appears you are confusing God Given Rights, with abilities.

As I have never had a conversation Jefferson, his plain words that "All men are created equal", written w/o either exception or qualification, speak for themselves.
It is his devotees thru history, who apparently do have regular conversations w/him, and insist he 'meant' this or that. As such, they have already lost the argument.
How judicial entities behave determines equality under the law, not philosophical assertions.
As for Plato, I'm confusing/misunderstanding nothing, having read "The Republic", in Greek, often some 60 year ago, under the watchful ear of Brother Arrian, who refused to tolerate confusion.
Incidentally, the Sharffenberger Edition of The Republic, included positive commentary from the following:
Aristotle / Plutarch / Erasmus / Hegel / Emerson / Kierkegaard / Marx (yes that one) /Nietzsche /Whitehead and Yeats; among others.
Repeating earlier comments, for us moderns, bullshit is our opiate which is why we tolerate the leadership we do.
Wrapping ourselves in pious platitudes such as "We are the greatest" we refuse to reflect on the roots of our heritage. Then we throw a rowdy tantrum when matters go predictably poorly.
From the Ancients , through the High Middle Ages on to the dawn of the Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution; History is replete w/the greatest minds ever created who fill some 30 volumes of the Britannica.
But we know better, giving new meaning to the descriptive; "way beyond absurd."

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As I have never had a conversation Jefferson, his plain words that "All men are created equal", written w/o either exception or qualification, speak for themselves.
Nor have you had a conversation with Plato, either!
Read the damned Declaration of Independence, he did most certainly qualify the Exact meaning "All men are created equal", and for a damn good reason!

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It is his devotees thru history, who apparently do have regular conversations w/him, and insist he 'meant' this or that. As such, they have already lost the argument.
Seriously? The man was responsible for our very form of govt, he penned many letters to its effect. Made so clear, a child could understand it!

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How judicial entities behave determines equality under the law, not philosophical assertions.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with Jefferson!

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As for Plato, I'm confusing/misunderstanding nothing, having read "The Republic", in Greek, often some 60 year ago, under the watchful ear of Brother Arrian, who refused to tolerate confusion.
Incidentally, the Sharffenberger Edition of The Republic, included positive commentary from the following:
Aristotle / Plutarch / Erasmus / Hegel / Emerson / Kierkegaard / Marx (yes that one) /Nietzsche /Whitehead and Yeats; among others.
Repeating earlier comments, for us moderns, bullshit is our opiate which is why we tolerate the leadership we do.
Wrapping ourselves in pious platitudes such as "We are the greatest" we refuse to reflect on the roots of our heritage. Then we throw a rowdy tantrum when matters go predictably poorly.
From the Ancients , through the High Middle Ages on to the dawn of the Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution; History is replete w/the greatest minds ever created who fill some 30 volumes of the Britannica.
But we know better, giving new meaning to the descriptive; "way beyond absurd."

Blah blah blah, I read it while sitting in the backseat of a 47 Dodge, so freakin what?
It doesn't take a scholar to understand what he was saying, regardless of what language you read it in, his meaning is solidly clear.
Maybe it's time you brushed up on recent history, like maybe the last 250 years?

The past is a road map to current times, a subject Jefferson was light years ahead of you on.
What have you accomplished that equals that of our Founders?
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By just talking about how the rest of us are basically screwed by the current system which has become immora and looks more like slavery than a sharing of profits and resourcesl.

Do you see this graph as moral or something else?

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

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Just by talking? Why do we need another party to simply talk? No legislative ideas, just talk?

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If I have to define rich for you, a well defined term, then I do not think we will chat much.

It's subjective.

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You seem to want to accomplish wealth redistribution with force instead of legislation.

I do? Where did I say that?

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That is not what I would do.

You have yet to articulate what you would do aside from talk

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/richest-62-people-money-poorest-50-article-1.2500284

Given the above article, do you think redistribution is a good thing?



Not forced redistribution.

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Nor have you had a conversation with Plato, either!
Read the damned Declaration of Independence, he did most certainly qualify the Exact meaning "All men are created equal", and for a damn good reason!
Seriously? The man was responsible for our very form of govt, he penned many letters to its effect. Made so clear, a child could understand it!
Which has absolutely nothing to do with Jefferson!

Blah blah blah, I read it while sitting in the backseat of a 47 Dodge, so freakin what?
It doesn't take a scholar to understand what he was saying, regardless of what language you read it in, his meaning is solidly clear.
Maybe it's time you brushed up on recent history, like maybe the last 250 years?

The past is a road map to current times, a subject Jefferson was light years ahead of you on.
What have you accomplished that equals that of our Founders?

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Hmm................. so another abusive, graceless and ignorant rant; as someone who has dealt w/you in the past alerted me about.  How predictable!

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Other rich people.

It is all about market share and profiting from having the lower classes dying to have the rich get richer.

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DL

What other "rich people"?   If you mean Iran then yeah they are rich, especially after your boy Obamao gave them a couple billion in unmarked bills. I don't think anybody in North Korea is Rich, not even yung son fool ( a Marxist like yourself). Those are about the only two countries I can think of who would actually want a Nuclear war.

Only certified nut jobs want a nuclear war.

« Last Edit: September 06, 2017, 02:32:06 AM by Billy's bayonet »
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Hmm................. so another abusive, graceless and ignorant rant; as someone who has dealt w/you in the past alerted me about.  How predictable!

Abusive? Wahh, cry me a fuckin river! I challenged your world view/bubble and you whine about it?
Just because you are under the illusion you're somehow right, yet can't prove your case, in some way makes me evil, too fuckin bad! Grow a Set!.
This is a debate forum, so if you can't handle being challenged to think beyond what some other arrogant twit taught you to believe, you won't last long on any forum.

This is a Political Forum, where ideas and ideals are debated and if you can't debate, that's not my problem.

Had you paid attention to the  :wink: at the end of my post, you'd have noted I was merely jesting you, it was not to say you were right or wrong, merely a way to get you to check your verbiage.
"So you're saying our Founders were wrong when they wrote the Declaration of Independence? :wink:"
Most would have laughed and moved on, having realized what they'd actually said.

Not everything need be taken offensively, the best course of action would have been to simply acknowledge the point to oneself and move on.
Your anal overreaction is what led to your frustration in failing to make your case, instead, I'm suddenly the bad guy for challenging your belief system, well guess what?

That's who we are, a group of people that challenge libs belief system on a daily basis, so if you can't handle being challenged, I'm sure you'll find other forums more suited for your mettle.
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No problem.

Bring to heel, in this case, means having the hockey stick graph I put above become more equitable than what it is with the rich being heavily favored while the rest go begging.

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It's not fair the rich can't keep their money.  If you had an morals, you'd find a rich person and thank them for enriching our society.  Maybe you could offer to wash their car or something.  That would be the right thing to do.
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It's not fair the rich can't keep their money.  If you had an morals, you'd find a rich person and thank them for enriching our society.  Maybe you could offer to wash their car or something.  That would be the right thing to do.
Or he'll get lucky and that guy that collects cans for a living will give him a job.
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Or he'll get lucky and that guy that collects cans for a living will give him a job.

He'll raise his fist and protest that the guy has more cans and it's not fair.
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He'll raise his fist and protest that the guy has more cans and it's not fair.
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Damn those low income people, they never create jobs, there needs to be a law!
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