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Assuming a viable third party was established, how exactly would that "bring to heel" the rich?
Good question. Glad you asked it, I wasn't sure how to ask. In the 50+ years I have been watching politics I have seen many third party give it a try to gain leverage. But I don't know if they "bring to heel" the rich. Hell, I don't even know what "bring to heel" means, rich or otherwise. If it happens, how will we know? Sure hope Gnostic stays around awhile to help us out.

Gnostic, hope you don't mind just the first name basis, I feel we know you already. :lol: :lol:

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Assuming a viable third party was established, how exactly would that "bring to heel" the rich?
LOL!!! That'll show em, we'll split the vote even further, allowing them to continue to hold one party hostage.
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Good question. Glad you asked it, I wasn't sure how to ask. In the 50+ years I have been watching politics I have seen many third party give it a try to gain leverage. But I don't know if they "bring to heel" the rich. Hell, I don't even know what "bring to heel" means, rich or otherwise. If it happens, how will we know? Sure hope Gnostic stays around awhile to help us out.

Gnostic, hope you don't mind just the first name basis, I feel we know you already. :lol: :lol:
Of course we do, I take a gnostic every morning after my first cup of coffee, then wipe with his cousin, the atheist.
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Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower classes, I wonder when the lower classes will revolt.

I would like to think, soonest is best, thanks to the left being too far left of the political spectrum, and the right being too far right.

The U. S. needs a third party to draw both overextended wings in and that should be a worker’s party.

If the worst affected by war, the middle and working classes, do not form a third party to represent the wealth creating demography of the country do nothing revolutionary, the dumbing down of the middle has worked quite well and the nation has no heart or love of self.

If the average working man or woman is not to be represented by either Democrats or Republicans, and are too dumbed down to see the requirement to be represented as important, and continue with their antiquated two party system, then you my dear Yankee friends, have devolved into quite a revolting and heartless middle and working classes.

You are even more revolting than the rich C S sons of bitches that don’t care for your welfare at all. The rich do not give any thought to your welfare, even as you enrich them more and more daily. It seems to me that you match their mind set by not giving a thought to your own long term welfare or about what kind of American Nightmare you are giving your children.

Bring the rich to heel or face a nuclear war. It’s your revolting choice.

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What we have here is a gallon of generalization mixed with few hand fulls of cliches and a whole lot of talking points.

So, this new fancy third party that has come to power, what do they do? If rich people are the problem (what is "rich"? you haven't bothered to define rich) what do we do about them? Shoot them? Limit how much money they can make? Outlaw them? What legislation are you proposing? You are long on Bernie Sanders hysterics  and short on specifics.

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What we have here is a gallon of generalization mixed with few hand fulls of cliches and a whole lot of talking points.

So, this new fancy third party that has come to power, what do they do? If rich people are the problem (what is "rich"? you haven't bothered to define rich) what do we do about them? Shoot them? Limit how much money they can make? Outlaw them? What legislation are you proposing? You are long on Bernie Sanders hysterics  and short on specifics.


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(what is "rich"? you haven't bothered to define rich)

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Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower classes, I wonder when the lower classes will revolt.

I would like to think, soonest is best, thanks to the left being too far left of the political spectrum, and the right being too far right.

The U. S. needs a third party to draw both overextended wings in and that should be a worker’s party.

If the worst affected by war, the middle and working classes, do not form a third party to represent the wealth creating demography of the country do nothing revolutionary, the dumbing down of the middle has worked quite well and the nation has no heart or love of self.

If the average working man or woman is not to be represented by either Democrats or Republicans, and are too dumbed down to see the requirement to be represented as important, and continue with their antiquated two party system, then you my dear Yankee friends, have devolved into quite a revolting and heartless middle and working classes.

You are even more revolting than the rich C S sons of bitches that don’t care for your welfare at all. The rich do not give any thought to your welfare, even as you enrich them more and more daily. It seems to me that you match their mind set by not giving a thought to your own long term welfare or about what kind of American Nightmare you are giving your children.

Bring the rich to heel or face a nuclear war. It’s your revolting choice.

Regards
DL

A humble observation.
When politically charged topics are introduced, suggest authors be required to define their terms.
For example, Oligarchy was introduced undefined; and a predictable urinary contest immediately commenced.
Oligarchy (from Greek) is rule/command in the hands of the few; which was the norm in Greece and Rome.
But why among them???
Because these Ancients knew in their soul that Men were NOT equal and NEVER could be, as our Creator imprinted each of us w/differentiating attitudes, behaviors, impulses and traits, (from Plato), the astonishing miracle of Creation. This is the catalyst for Man's creativity.
As such, they accepted the rule of the wise who had demonstrated a record of achievement and held them accountable.
Some 2000 years later, the French insisted the Greeks got it all wrong, the former conjuring up their asinine notion of "egalitarianism" ; which underpins virtually all current political thought, be it on the left or right!!!!!
 

 

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A humble observation.
When politically charged topics are introduced, suggest authors be required to define their terms.
For example, Oligarchy was introduced undefined; and a predictable urinary contest immediately commenced.
Oligarchy (from Greek) is rule/command in the hands of the few; which was the norm in Greece and Rome.
But why among them???
Because these Ancients knew in their soul that Men were NOT equal and NEVER could be, as our Creator imprinted each of us w/differentiating attitudes, behaviors, impulses and traits, (from Plato), the astonishing miracle of Creation. This is the catalyst for Man's creativity.
As such, they accepted the rule of the wise who had demonstrated a record of achievement and held them accountable.
Some 2000 years later, the French insisted the Greeks got it all wrong, the former conjuring up their asinine notion of "egalitarianism" ; which underpins virtually all current political thought, be it on the left or right!!!!!
So you're saying our Founders were wrong when they wrote the Declaration of Independence? :wink:

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So you're saying our Founders were wrong when they wrote the Declaration of Independence? :wink:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,"

I'm saying that Jefferson was both a Founder as well a great and wise Man; yet at his core he was a Politician, strongly influenced by the Enlightenment.
He was a Minister, then later Sec'y of State to the Revolutionary Gov't in Paris, for some 6 years, and remained a vocal supporter of the ideas of the French Revolution, throughout his life.
He can hardly hold a candle to Plato, one of the pillars of Western Civilization.
That Men are not created equal is self-evident from history.
 

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Bring the rich to heel or face a nuclear war. It’s your revolting choice.

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Who are "the rich" going to start a nuclear war with?
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I'm saying that Jefferson was both a Founder as well a great and wise Man; yet at his core he was a Politician, strongly influenced by the Enlightenment.
He was a Minister, then later Sec'y of State to the Revolutionary Gov't in Paris, for some 6 years, and remained a vocal supporter of the ideas of the French Revolution, throughout his life.
He can hardly hold a candle to Plato, one of the pillars of Western Civilization.
That Men are not created equal is self-evident from history.

Jefferson, in his own right, towers over Plato as a leader in 'our modern day revolution' where helping create arguably, one of the greatest working documents/governments in history and unleashing the greatest Nation on earth.

Plato: "Our object in the construction of the State is the greatest happiness of the whole, and not that of any one class."
It would appear you may have misunderstood what Plato was saying?

Socrates mentored Plato, Plato went on to mentor others, Jefferson's life is a culmination of historical events that came well after the great philosophers, where he experienced and gleaned knowledge not yet experienced in Plato' times.

So no, you don't believe that all are equal under the law?
It appears you are confusing God Given Rights, with abilities.
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Assuming a viable third party was established, how exactly would that "bring to heel" the rich?

By just talking about how the rest of us are basically screwed by the current system which has become immora and looks more like slavery than a sharing of profits and resourcesl.

Do you see this graph as moral or something else?

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

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Good question. Glad you asked it, I wasn't sure how to ask. In the 50+ years I have been watching politics I have seen many third party give it a try to gain leverage. But I don't know if they "bring to heel" the rich. Hell, I don't even know what "bring to heel" means, rich or otherwise. If it happens, how will we know? Sure hope Gnostic stays around awhile to help us out.

Gnostic, hope you don't mind just the first name basis, I feel we know you already. :lol: :lol:

No problem.

Bring to heel, in this case, means having the hockey stick graph I put above become more equitable than what it is with the rich being heavily favored while the rest go begging.

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So, this new fancy third party that has come to power, what do they do? If rich people are the problem (what is "rich"? you haven't bothered to define rich) what do we do about them? Shoot them? Limit how much money they can make? Outlaw them? What legislation are you proposing? You are long on Bernie Sanders hysterics  and short on specifics.

If I have to define rich for you, a well defined term, then I do not think we will chat much.

You seem to want to accomplish wealth redistribution with force instead of legislation.

That is not what I would do.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/richest-62-people-money-poorest-50-article-1.2500284

Given the above article, do you think redistribution is a good thing?

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A humble observation.
When politically charged topics are introduced, suggest authors be required to define their terms.
For example, Oligarchy was introduced undefined; and a predictable urinary contest immediately commenced.
Oligarchy (from Greek) is rule/command in the hands of the few; which was the norm in Greece and Rome.
But why among them???
Because these Ancients knew in their soul that Men were NOT equal and NEVER could be, as our Creator imprinted each of us w/differentiating attitudes, behaviors, impulses and traits, (from Plato), the astonishing miracle of Creation. This is the catalyst for Man's creativity.
As such, they accepted the rule of the wise who had demonstrated a record of achievement and held them accountable.
Some 2000 years later, the French insisted the Greeks got it all wrong, the former conjuring up their asinine notion of "egalitarianism" ; which underpins virtually all current political thought, be it on the left or right!!!!!

In philosophy, the definition of terms happens after the dialog, not before.

General acceptance of terms is a prerequisite to a profitable dialog.

As to egalitarian or communistic leanings, I know of no political party that is promoting a flat socio economic demographic pyramid. We all live in pyramidal hierarchical demographys.

No one wants to change that to a flat one.

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By just talking about how the rest of us are basically screwed by the current system which has become immora and looks more like slavery than a sharing of profits and resourcesl.

Do you see this graph as moral or something else?

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

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TEA took down the Dim party in 2010, 2014, 2016 and about to take over the gop'E in 2018, and you are somehow fooled into believing a 3rd party, err make that, 24th, 3rd party attempt is somehow going to become viable, how?
Let me clue you in on a few issues that need solving first. All the corporate money pushes the party with the best chance for power, secondly, you need to draw all the Conservatives to this new party, the leaders of the Conservative caucus must first abandon the GOP, or no one is going to abandon the party, they'll stick with the likes of Cruz, Gohmert, Thomas Massie, Mike Lee, etc, too many to list.
https://www.conservativereview.com/top-25-conservatives

Point is, all another 3rd party movement would accomplish, is allowing the leftist to further entrench themselves into a single party, while splitting the base support in another failed direction.

TEA, We, are but a few votes shy of stealing the House from the RINO Marxists.
Think about that, and stop using this "us" Bull Shit, you're a Canuck..
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