Quote from: Mountainshield on October 19, 2015, 09:42:02 AM

By that logic it's no bother researching history at all as everything is bullshit. You know the Roman Emperor Nero tried to erase his brother existence from the history books but failed, sure the State has always tried to rewrite history but with so many multiple sources and preservation of documents we can to a very safe certain degree ascertain what is truth and what is bullshit. What we can conclude however is that leftist history always is bullshit, they even have to call it something else. 

If it's from Russia, you just nailed my opinion of it.
For those that have the time, resources and patience to dig through the mounds of it, you have my applause and respect.
The handful of people I've met from those parts have been "educated" to one political position - there is no other, in their minds.

Not much taste in Australia for US Defense Department, just now.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/24/australia-pm-says-no-global-support-troops-ground-syria/

"I have to report to the House that the consensus of the leaders I met at the G20, at APEC and at the East Asia Summit is that there is no support currently for a large US-led Western army to attempt to conquer and hold ISIL-controlled areas," he said, referring to another term for the Islamic State group. Australia has for months been active in Iraq, and recently started carrying out air strikes against IS targets in Syria as part of a 60-nation, US-led coalition against the jihadists.

Quote from: red_dirt on November 24, 2015, 06:58:04 AM
Not much taste in Australia for US Defense Department, just now.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/24/australia-pm-says-no-global-support-troops-ground-syria/

"I have to report to the House that the consensus of the leaders I met at the G20, at APEC and at the East Asia Summit is that there is no support currently for a large US-led Western army to attempt to conquer and hold ISIL-controlled areas," he said, referring to another term for the Islamic State group. Australia has for months been active in Iraq, and recently started carrying out air strikes against IS targets in Syria as part of a 60-nation, US-led coalition against the jihadists.

I'll translate.

Putting our finest under the charge of Hussein is akin to turning our military over to the UN.
Suicide is not a Aussie trait.
Therefore, in conclusion, Obama, go fuck yourself, Australia wants no part of your Marxist Muscum bull shit.

Quote from: Solar on November 24, 2015, 07:21:06 AM
I'll translate.

Putting our finest under the charge of Hussein is akin to turning our military over to the UN.
Suicide is not a Aussie trait.
Therefore, in conclusion, Obama, go fuck yourself, Australia wants no part of your Marxist Muscum bull shit.

Obama keeps saying he is leading a coalition of 60 plus countries. In reality all our allies have learned he couldn't lead a one car funeral.

Turkish F-16 shot down Russian Su-24, both pilots ejected, but were killed by rebels who also destroyed a Russian rescue helicopter.

Putin condemns Turkey after Russian warplane downed near Syria border

Vladimir Putin has called Turkey "accomplices of terrorists" and warned of "serious consequences" after a Turkish F-16 jet shot down a Russian warplane on Tuesday morning, the first time a Nato country and Moscow have exchanged direct fire over the crisis in Syria.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/turkey-shoots-down-jet-near-border-with-syria

WATCH: Moment Syrian rebels used AMERICAN missile to blow up Russian rescue helicopter

A RUSSIAN marine was reportedly killed by Syrian rebels who used an American rocket launcher to BLOW UP a rescue helicopter searching for the pilots of a warplane downed by Turkey.

By Nick Gutteridge and Leda Reynolds
PUBLISHED: 11:42, Tue, Nov 24, 2015 | UPDATED: 18:47, Tue, Nov 24, 2015

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/621677/Reports-Russian-helicopter-shot-down-while-searching-downed-jets

Turkey Threatened Putin 'Stop Bombing ISIS' Days Before Jet Shoot Down

Paul Watson - November 24, 2015

Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 fighter jet it claimed had violated Turkish airspace just days after threatening Moscow with "serious consequences" if it continued bombing ISIS in Syria.

The plane was flying at an altitude of 6,000m (19,685ft) when it was shot down by the Turkish military before subsequently crashing on Syrian territory.

http://www.infowars.com/turkey-threatened-putin-stop-bombing-isis-days-before-jet-shoot-down/

Flashback: Turkey's Prime Minister Caught Arming ISIS

Months before Turkey shot down Russian jet, prime minister was shipping guns to ISIS

Kit Daniels | Infowars.com - November 24, 2015

http://www.infowars.com/flashback-turkeys-prime-minister-caught-arming-isis/

Quote from: milos on November 24, 2015, 11:40:57 AM
Turkish F-16 shot down Russian Su-24, both pilots ejected, but were killed by rebels who also destroyed a Russian rescue helicopter.

Putin condemns Turkey after Russian warplane downed near Syria border

Vladimir Putin has called Turkey "accomplices of terrorists" and warned of "serious consequences" after a Turkish F-16 jet shot down a Russian warplane on Tuesday morning, the first time a Nato country and Moscow have exchanged direct fire over the crisis in Syria.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/turkey-shoots-down-jet-near-border-with-syria

WATCH: Moment Syrian rebels used AMERICAN missile to blow up Russian rescue helicopter

A RUSSIAN marine was reportedly killed by Syrian rebels who used an American rocket launcher to BLOW UP a rescue helicopter searching for the pilots of a warplane downed by Turkey.

By Nick Gutteridge and Leda Reynolds
PUBLISHED: 11:42, Tue, Nov 24, 2015 | UPDATED: 18:47, Tue, Nov 24, 2015

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/621677/Reports-Russian-helicopter-shot-down-while-searching-downed-jets

Turkey Threatened Putin 'Stop Bombing ISIS' Days Before Jet Shoot Down

Paul Watson - November 24, 2015

Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 fighter jet it claimed had violated Turkish airspace just days after threatening Moscow with "serious consequences" if it continued bombing ISIS in Syria.

The plane was flying at an altitude of 6,000m (19,685ft) when it was shot down by the Turkish military before subsequently crashing on Syrian territory.

http://www.infowars.com/turkey-threatened-putin-stop-bombing-isis-days-before-jet-shoot-down/

Flashback: Turkey's Prime Minister Caught Arming ISIS

Months before Turkey shot down Russian jet, prime minister was shipping guns to ISIS

Kit Daniels | Infowars.com - November 24, 2015

http://www.infowars.com/flashback-turkeys-prime-minister-caught-arming-isis/

Those last two articles exhibit exactly why this Turkey situation is so complex. They are a member of NATO. A situation that probably needs some reassessment. Yet they threatened Russia for bombing and they are accused of arming ISIS. Those two facts are diametrically in conflict the members of NATO. ISIS is our enemy, therefore any ally of ISIS is our enemy.

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 24, 2015, 12:06:14 PM
Those last two articles exhibit exactly why this Turkey situation is so complex. They are a member of NATO. A situation that probably needs some reassessment. Yet they threatened Russia for bombing and they are accused of arming ISIS. Those two facts are diametrically in conflict the members of NATO. ISIS is our enemy, therefore any ally of ISIS is our enemy.

It is known that Turkey is shipping weapons and ammunition to Islamic State, and also buying cheap oil from them. Russia has bombed Islamic State's oil facilities in the previous days, so this was a Turkish retaliation.

Of course, Russian aircraft shouldn't break Turkish air space, but it is not a normal reaction to immediately shoot down an aircraft which broke into you air space for less than a minute, and with no hostile intentions. It would be normal to just intercept it and escort it away.

Quote from: milos on November 26, 2015, 03:59:38 AM
It is known that Turkey is shipping weapons and ammunition to Islamic State, and also buying cheap oil from them. Russia has bombed Islamic State's oil facilities in the previous days, so this was a Turkish retaliation.

Of course, Russian aircraft shouldn't break Turkish air space, but it is not a normal reaction to immediately shoot down an aircraft which broke into you air space for less than a minute, and with no hostile intentions. It would be normal to just intercept it and escort it away.

Exactly Milos, and that's something that cuts into Russias bottom line.
Add to that Saudi opening up oil mkts on Russia's front door and you have a very angry tiger eyeing up which hyena to go after.

I am not saying we must do everything in our power to get Assad out of government in Syria, because that is not our problem and the Syrian people just seem to want to run away rather than fix their country's problems. But, as far as Russia destroying ISIS goes, no progress has happened. Russia is simply bombing anti-Assad rebels and trying to piss off as many western countries as they can while doing it. It's a proxy war. If Russia really wanted to combat Islam, then why are they, along with Iran, fueling Hezbollah fighters from Lebanon to aid in their campaign to defend the almighty Bashar-al-Assad? Now that turkey has reacted to their bombing of Turkmen near the Turkish border, Putin will only escalate the tensions by keeping up his bombings near that border. The U.S. must create and lead a coalition of countries that actually want to take out these crazy Islamic Extremists, and forget about Russia's poor example of how to get rid of a terror group. And if fueling Anti-Assad rebels helps in the fight against ISIS, then we should act upon it. Not for the "refugees", but for the security of our nation against ISIS. Also, if Russia escalates the conflict by combatting out progress, then we will fight until we knock the literal shit out of ISIS and then get Assad out of there. After all, Assad mostly sees ISIS as an asset to his power since they are fighting the other Muslims that want to take his head off. He's buying oil from ISIS. And Russia loves him. So tell me again how Russia really wants to work with us to take out ISIS. Oh by the way Obama probably wouldn't mind having some of that oil too Assad, just let him make sure he tells treasury to shun the Russian businessmen who are also buying it.

Turkey Blockades Russian Shipping, Black Sea Fleet Completely Cut off

Super Station 95 - November 29, 2015

http://www.infowars.com/turkey-blockades-russian-shipping-black-sea-fleet-completely-cut-off/

Turkey has begun a defacto blockade of Russian naval vessels, preventing transit through the Dardanelles and the Strait of Bosporus, between the Black Sea and Mediterranean. Both from the Black Sea, and from the Mediterranean Sea, there is a small cluster of ships under the Russian flag, just sitting and waiting. Turkey was authorized to close the Straits to all foreign warships in wartime or when it was threatened by aggression; additionally, it was authorized to refuse transit from merchant ships belonging to countries at war with Turkey. It is important to note two things: 1) Turkey is a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) as is the United States and most of Europe, AND; 2) Turkey took the first shot at Russia when they intentionally shot down a Russian jet last week. It is important to remember these facts because, as a NATO member, Turkey can invoke Article 5 of the NATO Treaty which requires all NATO members to come to its defense if Turkey is "attacked." So if Russia decides to fight back against Turkey downing its military jet, the Turks might call NATO and claim they've been "attacked" thereby calling-up NATO forces to go to war against Russia. It bears remembering, however, that Turkey shot first. Turkey was the nation which "attacked." Why did the Turks shoot? Because Turkey has been allowing the terrorist group ISIS to sell the oil it has stolen from countries it is conquering. So Turkey shot down one of the Russian planes that was attacking ISIS.

Quote from: Blacky on August 13, 2015, 10:33:38 AM
http://www.sott.net/article/300004-Lavrov-Putin-proposes-real-anti-ISIS-coalition-of-Syrian-Iraqi-Kurdish-troops

Russian officials are right, double standarts that our government praise don't work anymore. After the US defeating of Saddam terrorists gained power in Iraq, after the casting down of Gaddafi terrorists raised their flags above Northern Africa.
I guess soon ISIS would be eliminated by Russian forces and their allies. And finally we'd say goodbye to Middle Eastern mess-up.

That's not true at all. After the defeat of Saddam Iraq had it's own, stable government backed by us. It was only after Obama unilaterally withdrew our forces that ISIS came to rise up.

Quote from: daidalos on November 30, 2015, 09:03:36 AM
That's not true at all. After the defeat of Saddam Iraq had it's own, stable government backed by us. It was only after Obama unilaterally withdrew our forces that ISIS came to rise up.

Not only that, but Iran moved in and the Shia's felt emboldened enough to start punishing the Sunni's which split the country.

Quote from: daidalos on November 30, 2015, 09:03:36 AM
That's not true at all. After the defeat of Saddam Iraq had it's own, stable government backed by us. It was only after Obama unilaterally withdrew our forces that ISIS came to rise up.

Lol, if Iraqi government needed US troops to maintain order in the country, then it couldn't have been called stable.

Arab society can't function without some kind of dictator, that's a fact. It is only a question who will be the dictator.

Quote from: milos on December 06, 2015, 12:15:29 AM
Lol, if Iraqi government needed US troops to maintain order in the country, then it couldn't have been called stable.

Arab society can't function without some kind of dictator, that's a fact. It is only a question who will be the dictator.

BINGO!!! Milos...
Nature abhors a vacuum. The US victory/fix played the part of dictator, but only as surrogate till someone filled the void.
It's what these people know, it's what their culture is based on, submission to another, it's why pedophilia is an accepted abhorrence, they are groomed as children to believe they should always submit to the stronger male, that they must do as they are told.

It's textbook Stockholm syndrome in a cultural catastrophe, and the M/E is the testube.
There is no winning the hearts and minds of these people.
Ask any cop what is the worst call to get during a regular shift, and they'll tell you domestic dispute, where the woman called 911 on her abusive husband, only to wind up being attacked by the complainant for handcuffing her assailant.
The M/E being no different.

Looks like ISIS has air force after all...
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/reports-isis-attacks-ayash-base-following-us-led-airstrikes/
"...Following the US-led airstrikes on Ayash military base in Deir ez-Ezzor, it has been confirmed that 1 Syrian Arab Army soldier has been killed with reports circulating that as many as 4 were killed, 13 wounded and 2 tanks destroyed.
It has been confirmed that ISIS immediately attacked Ayash military base immediately following the airstrikes..."