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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2015, 02:52:51 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2015, 01:34:48 PM »
Marion Maréchal-Le Pen from Front National invites the French to join the Russians against the Islamic State.

https://www.facebook.com/MMLPen.officiel/posts/975350205884131

Marion Maréchal-Le Pen à RT: «Il est grand temps de s’atteler avec les Russes contre Daesh»

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« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2015, 01:52:08 PM »
Marion Maréchal-Le Pen from Front National invites the French to join the Russians against the Islamic State.

https://www.facebook.com/MMLPen.officiel/posts/975350205884131

Marion Maréchal-Le Pen à RT: «Il est grand temps de s’atteler avec les Russes contre Daesh»



We are reaping the results of leading from behind. I will repeat what I have said many times before. Putin understands radical Islam. Obama doesn't or doesn't want to.
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« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2015, 06:20:41 AM »
We are reaping the results of leading from behind. I will repeat what I have said many times before. Putin understands radical Islam. Obama doesn't or doesn't want to.

Yes, I feel very sorry America has Obama in the White House, he would have been a disgrace for any country, and I can understand your pain. I am certainly not one of those European nationalists who would love to see America dead. On the contrary, I believe that a decline of the United States and their original values can bring only bad to the world as a whole, because America will be used as a base for leftist dictatorship over the world. I will try to explain my views on the situation.

To understand Obama's politics, and the politics of liberal democrats in general, one must understand that they are all Trotskyists. The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was funded by the bankers of the City of London and their branch in the Wall Street. Lenin and Trotsky were liberal democrats, mondialists, multiculturalists, they were anti-traditionalists, anti-conservatives, and anti-nationalists. Their aim was to destroy Russia from inside, so that Russia would become a cheap prey for the mentioned bankers. But Stalin screwed their plans. While Lenin and Trotsky were anti-Russians and socially liberal, Stalin was pro-Russian and socially conservative. After Lenin died, Stalin did his best to take the control over the Russian Communist Party, and assassinate or expell Leninists and Trotskyists from Russia. Stalin's agents killed Trotsky in Mexico. So, those Trotskyists, who were expelled from Russia by Stalin, took the control over the left on the West. They have two main goals. One is to destroy Western countries from inside, the same they tried to do in Russia before, so that those countries become an easy prey for the bankers. The other is to take revenge over Russia, for destroying their plans and expelling them.

So, if you believe Obama is a Marxist, you are 100% right. Obama is a Marxist, a Trotskyist, a Leninist, and so is Clinton. Obama is American Lenin. And the Wall Street bankers will do just anything to make Hillary sits in the White House after Obama. They are Trotskyists, and that is why they want to destroy traditional American values. On the other side, Vladimir Putin is a kind of a moderate Stalinist. And we have that global clash between Trotskyists in United States and European Union on one side and Stalinists in Russia on another. American conservatives and European nationalists are kind of left behind, they can sit and watch, or they can join one side. And if it is a question "Obama or Putin", it is not a difficult choice. That is why most of European nationalists are siding with Putin and Russia. Because Putin is socially conservative, while Obama is socially liberal. And I see some American libertarians and conservatives, like Ron Paul and Alex Jones, are following them, for obvious reason. They believe it is better to take some action than to just sit and watch.

So we have Western leftists accusing Vladimir Putin of funding European far right nationalist political parties. And it is just a huge hypocrisy and policy of double standards from the left, because it is a known fact that leftists from United States' and European Union's governments are funding political parties which suit them in other countries as well. According to The Guardian, there is a whole list of every European far right, fascist, or neo-nazi extremist political party, supported by Vladimir Putin.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/08/russia-europe-right-putin-front-national-eu

Putin is anti-European Union, and so are European nationalists, so this alliance is of an obvious mutual interest, in spite of the fact Putin will not allow far right political parties in Russia. And this another list of far right fascist neo-nazi extremists who support Putin makes me laugh.

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/news/featured-news/european-right-wing-extremists-and-other-pro-russian-activists-observed-the-crimean-referendum

They have also mentioned two parties from Serbia. The one they said is a "far right, ultra-Orthodox Dveri Movement". Well, they certainly must have been some "far" or "ultra", even "ultra-Christian", as these leftists claim, in order to be marked as extremists. At least they are not racists. The other is Democratic Party of Serbia, which tries to be moderate in just everything until non-recognition. There are some other pro-Russian right wing parties and movements too, like Serbian Radical Party and Obraz Movement. Since they can now win only some 5% to 10% votes in the elections altogether, and Serbians being traditionally the greatest pro-Russian people, Putin must be asking himself what is he doing wrong here.
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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2015, 10:43:31 AM »
Yes, I feel very sorry America has Obama in the White House, he would have been a disgrace for any country, and I can understand your pain. I am certainly not one of those European nationalists who would love to see America dead. On the contrary, I believe that a decline of the United States and their original values can bring only bad to the world as a whole, because America will be used as a base for leftist dictatorship over the world. I will try to explain my views on the situation.

To understand Obama's politics, and the politics of liberal democrats in general, one must understand that they are all Trotskyists. The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was funded by the bankers of the City of London and their branch in the Wall Street. Lenin and Trotsky were liberal democrats, mondialists, multiculturalists, they were anti-traditionalists, anti-conservatives, and anti-nationalists. Their aim was to destroy Russia from inside, so that Russia would become a cheap prey for the mentioned bankers. But Stalin screwed their plans. While Lenin and Trotsky were anti-Russians and socially liberal, Stalin was pro-Russian and socially conservative. After Lenin died, Stalin did his best to take the control over the Russian Communist Party, and assassinate or expell Leninists and Trotskyists from Russia. Stalin's agents killed Trotsky in Mexico. So, those Trotskyists, who were expelled from Russia by Stalin, took the control over the left on the West. They have two main goals. One is to destroy Western countries from inside, the same they tried to do in Russia before, so that those countries become an easy prey for the bankers. The other is to take revenge over Russia, for destroying their plans and expelling them.

So, if you believe Obama is a Marxist, you are 100% right. Obama is a Marxist, a Trotskyist, a Leninist, and so is Clinton. Obama is American Lenin. And the Wall Street bankers will do just anything to make Hillary sits in the White House after Obama. They are Trotskyists, and that is why they want to destroy traditional American values. On the other side, Vladimir Putin is a kind of a moderate Stalinist. And we have that global clash between Trotskyists in United States and European Union on one side and Stalinists in Russia on another. American conservatives and European nationalists are kind of left behind, they can sit and watch, or they can join one side. And if it is a question "Obama or Putin", it is not a difficult choice. That is why most of European nationalists are siding with Putin and Russia. Because Putin is socially conservative, while Obama is socially liberal. And I see some American libertarians and conservatives, like Ron Paul and Alex Jones, are following them, for obvious reason. They believe it is better to take some action than to just sit and watch.

So we have Western leftists accusing Vladimir Putin of funding European far right nationalist political parties. And it is just a huge hypocrisy and policy of double standards from the left, because it is a known fact that leftists from United States' and European Union's governments are funding political parties which suit them in other countries as well. According to The Guardian, there is a whole list of every European far right, fascist, or neo-nazi extremist political party, supported by Vladimir Putin.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/08/russia-europe-right-putin-front-national-eu

Putin is anti-European Union, and so are European nationalists, so this alliance is of an obvious mutual interest, in spite of the fact Putin will not allow far right political parties in Russia. And this another list of far right fascist neo-nazi extremists who support Putin makes me laugh.

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/news/featured-news/european-right-wing-extremists-and-other-pro-russian-activists-observed-the-crimean-referendum

They have also mentioned two parties from Serbia. The one they said is a "far right, ultra-Orthodox Dveri Movement". Well, they certainly must have been some "far" or "ultra", even "ultra-Christian", as these leftists claim, in order to be marked as extremists. At least they are not racists. The other is Democratic Party of Serbia, which tries to be moderate in just everything until non-recognition. There are some other pro-Russian right wing parties and movements too, like Serbian Radical Party and Obraz Movement. Since they can now win only some 5% to 10% votes in the elections altogether, and Serbians being traditionally the greatest pro-Russian people, Putin must be asking himself what is he doing wrong here.

I believe you have the situation in America under Obama figured out. I appreciate your position and wish more Europeans would see the danger of Obama and his followers. A strong America is best for all of Europe.
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« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2015, 08:44:47 AM »
Yes, I feel very sorry America has Obama in the White House, he would have been a disgrace for any country, and I can understand your pain. I am certainly not one of those European nationalists who would love to see America dead. On the contrary, I believe that a decline of the United States and their original values can bring only bad to the world as a whole, because America will be used as a base for leftist dictatorship over the world. I will try to explain my views on the situation.

To understand Obama's politics, and the politics of liberal democrats in general, one must understand that they are all Trotskyists. The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was funded by the bankers of the City of London and their branch in the Wall Street. Lenin and Trotsky were liberal democrats, mondialists, multiculturalists, they were anti-traditionalists, anti-conservatives, and anti-nationalists. Their aim was to destroy Russia from inside, so that Russia would become a cheap prey for the mentioned bankers. But Stalin screwed their plans. While Lenin and Trotsky were anti-Russians and socially liberal, Stalin was pro-Russian and socially conservative. After Lenin died, Stalin did his best to take the control over the Russian Communist Party, and assassinate or expell Leninists and Trotskyists from Russia. Stalin's agents killed Trotsky in Mexico. So, those Trotskyists, who were expelled from Russia by Stalin, took the control over the left on the West. They have two main goals. One is to destroy Western countries from inside, the same they tried to do in Russia before, so that those countries become an easy prey for the bankers. The other is to take revenge over Russia, for destroying their plans and expelling them.

So, if you believe Obama is a Marxist, you are 100% right. Obama is a Marxist, a Trotskyist, a Leninist, and so is Clinton. Obama is American Lenin. And the Wall Street bankers will do just anything to make Hillary sits in the White House after Obama. They are Trotskyists, and that is why they want to destroy traditional American values. On the other side, Vladimir Putin is a kind of a moderate Stalinist. And we have that global clash between Trotskyists in United States and European Union on one side and Stalinists in Russia on another. American conservatives and European nationalists are kind of left behind, they can sit and watch, or they can join one side. And if it is a question "Obama or Putin", it is not a difficult choice. That is why most of European nationalists are siding with Putin and Russia. Because Putin is socially conservative, while Obama is socially liberal. And I see some American libertarians and conservatives, like Ron Paul and Alex Jones, are following them, for obvious reason. They believe it is better to take some action than to just sit and watch.

So we have Western leftists accusing Vladimir Putin of funding European far right nationalist political parties. And it is just a huge hypocrisy and policy of double standards from the left, because it is a known fact that leftists from United States' and European Union's governments are funding political parties which suit them in other countries as well. According to The Guardian, there is a whole list of every European far right, fascist, or neo-nazi extremist political party, supported by Vladimir Putin.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/08/russia-europe-right-putin-front-national-eu

Putin is anti-European Union, and so are European nationalists, so this alliance is of an obvious mutual interest, in spite of the fact Putin will not allow far right political parties in Russia. And this another list of far right fascist neo-nazi extremists who support Putin makes me laugh.

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/news/featured-news/european-right-wing-extremists-and-other-pro-russian-activists-observed-the-crimean-referendum

They have also mentioned two parties from Serbia. The one they said is a "far right, ultra-Orthodox Dveri Movement". Well, they certainly must have been some "far" or "ultra", even "ultra-Christian", as these leftists claim, in order to be marked as extremists. At least they are not racists. The other is Democratic Party of Serbia, which tries to be moderate in just everything until non-recognition. There are some other pro-Russian right wing parties and movements too, like Serbian Radical Party and Obraz Movement. Since they can now win only some 5% to 10% votes in the elections altogether, and Serbians being traditionally the greatest pro-Russian people, Putin must be asking himself what is he doing wrong here.

Obama may be a marxist, but he is not a ideologue. His administration has done much harm but if he truly was a marxist he would never have settled for Obamacare which is corporatist or semi-socialist at worst unless he really is pushing the Cloward–Piven strategy in which case he is an ideologue as Obamacare is ruining the Health Insurance industry from what I have read.

But where is your information regarding Stalin as a social-conservative and that this was a real rift with Trotskij and even Lenin? Lenin trusted and liked Stalin, which was why he created the "General Secretary" position to him. The late correspondence that might suggest Lenin mistrusted Stalin and wanted to divide power and even preferred Trotskij has been to the extent we can verify the claim been disproven to be the work of first Lenin's wife must likely and the last drafts/edition (remember the correspondence letters went through many changes even after lenins death) to the work of Trotskij supporters. The first correspondence was taken and edited by Kamanev I think it was.

The cosmopolitan (international bankers etc) vs traditional value (Stalinism) internal war within the communist party doesn't sound true from what I have read, do you have any sources I can read? If true it changes a lot about the acknowledged history of the USSR.
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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2015, 01:43:37 AM »
Obama may be a marxist, but he is not a ideologue. His administration has done much harm but if he truly was a marxist he would never have settled for Obamacare which is corporatist or semi-socialist at worst unless he really is pushing the Cloward–Piven strategy in which case he is an ideologue as Obamacare is ruining the Health Insurance industry from what I have read.

But where is your information regarding Stalin as a social-conservative and that this was a real rift with Trotskij and even Lenin? Lenin trusted and liked Stalin, which was why he created the "General Secretary" position to him. The late correspondence that might suggest Lenin mistrusted Stalin and wanted to divide power and even preferred Trotskij has been to the extent we can verify the claim been disproven to be the work of first Lenin's wife must likely and the last drafts/edition (remember the correspondence letters went through many changes even after lenins death) to the work of Trotskij supporters. The first correspondence was taken and edited by Kamanev I think it was.

The cosmopolitan (international bankers etc) vs traditional value (Stalinism) internal war within the communist party doesn't sound true from what I have read, do you have any sources I can read? If true it changes a lot about the acknowledged history of the USSR.

Well, Marxism was never about ideology on the first place, it was just a fraud from the very beginning. It was invented by the bankers in order to deceive people with false justice and equality, making them start thinking they are perpetual victims, and driving them away from capitalist way of thinking. Marxist revolution in the West couldn't have been done at once as it was in Russia, because after Russia people in the West became aware of the danger. That is why Marxist revolution in the West is being done step by step, so the people would not revolt against it. This is often being compared to boiling a frog, if you increase the temperature step by step, the frog won't notice and will be boiled.

I have gathered information over years from various sources in my language, including school, books, articles, and TV, and I can't provide you with some sources in English. I could try to Google for them, but anyone can do that. I can tell you what I have heard and read, so that you get some clues if you want to research for yourself.

The claim is that Stalin was an agent of the Ohrana czarist secret police, infiltrated into the lines of the communists. Stalin was truly an anti-capitalist, but so was the czar and the Russian Empire before the revolution. When Stalin took control over Pravda newspapers, after the abdication of the czar in February 1917, he published an article in which he stated that the war shall continue, that Russian soldiers have just switched their czarist flags with red flags of revolution, and that it would be the most stupid politics and a treason to give up weapons and go home, because it wouldn't be a politics of peace, but a politics of slavery. But soon after the revolution in October, Lenin signed a separate peace treaty with Germany.

In 1922, Lenin took stand against Stalin, calling him the worst Russian chauvinist, and asking for his replacement. Lenin proposed a special law to protect national minorities from Stalin's russification. But Lenin was a democrat, so he didn't take violent actions to overthrow Stalin, and he probably couldn't do it at that late time anyway. After Lenin's death, Stalin has created a moral cult of Lenin, which had nothing in common with the true Lenin, but it was Stalin's plan to replace Christ with Lenin, in order to preserve czarist regime in Russia after the revolution. That is why Russian communists today are confused, believing Lenin was a strong moral figure, which he certainly was not. Russian communism became Stalinist, pushing moral and national values in society, while Western communism became Leninist/Trotskyist, pushing immoral and anti-national values in society.

Lenin was a social-democrat, he was socially liberal, he introduced abortion for the first time in Russia, he was pushing anti-Christianism and immorality in society, the same Obama does now in America. Contrary to this, Stalin has opened churches again during the WWII, he has re-established Moscow Patriarchy for the first time after czar Peter The Great and had support from Russian Church, he addressed the people as "brothers and sisters" which is a Christian custom. When Stalin expelled Leninists and Trotskyists from Russia, they fled to West, where they came into politics as democrats, liberals, and neocons, who wanted to take revenge over Russia because of Stalin.
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« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2015, 11:30:14 PM »
I forgot to mention one event.

The Kingdom of Yugoslavia, which existed between WWI and WWII, didn't maintain official diplomatic relationships with the Soviet Union, because of their communism. We have even sent some military troops to fight alongside with the White Army against the Red Army. When the Bolsheviks won, many tens of thousands of White Russians found refuge in Yugoslavia. On March 25th 1941, Yugoslavia has signed the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy, which was actually a great agreement of neutrality of Yugoslavia. On March 27th, a coup was incited by British agents, so that the new government dismiss the Tripartite Pact. After that event, a delegation of Yugoslav government secretly went to Russia to meet with Stalin, to seek for help if Germany and Italy attack us. Stalin received them, but said he couldn't promise them help, because he was at peace with Germany at that time. He encouraged them to stay strong, and sustain all the suffering which was going to occur. Then, at the surprise of the delegation, Stalin made the cross sign on them with his right hand and blessed them, before sending them back home.

So, I have the reason to believe Stalin was a Christian, while I know Lenin was an anti-Christian.
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« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2015, 06:18:00 AM »
Obama may be a marxist, but he is not a ideologue. His administration has done much harm but if he truly was a marxist he would never have settled for Obamacare which is corporatist or semi-socialist at worst unless he really is pushing the Cloward–Piven strategy in which case he is an ideologue as Obamacare is ruining the Health Insurance industry from what I have read.

But where is your information regarding Stalin as a social-conservative and that this was a real rift with Trotskij and even Lenin? Lenin trusted and liked Stalin, which was why he created the "General Secretary" position to him. The late correspondence that might suggest Lenin mistrusted Stalin and wanted to divide power and even preferred Trotskij has been to the extent we can verify the claim been disproven to be the work of first Lenin's wife must likely and the last drafts/edition (remember the correspondence letters went through many changes even after lenins death) to the work of Trotskij supporters. The first correspondence was taken and edited by Kamanev I think it was.

The cosmopolitan (international bankers etc) vs traditional value (Stalinism) internal war within the communist party doesn't sound true from what I have read, do you have any sources I can read? If true it changes a lot about the acknowledged history of the USSR.

While I realize every historian is going to be a little biased, yeah, I know, you can't be everywhere at once, see everything, know everything...   

So, where else in the world has history been ERASED, over and over than the Baltics & Russia?  Now we can see ISIS doing the same thing, destroying ancient antiquities - erasing visual historical proof.  Two or three generations from now, the children will say, "Yeah, if 'they' were so great, why can't their existence be proven?  Where are the monuments?  Your history is a fairytale, a bedtime story for children."

Even the Nazi's were known as thorough & accurate record keepers, even if the propaganda for public consumption was otherwise.
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« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2015, 06:38:48 AM »
Obama may be a marxist, but he is not a ideologue. His administration has done much harm but if he truly was a marxist he would never have settled for Obamacare which is corporatist or semi-socialist at worst unless he really is pushing the Cloward–Piven strategy in which case he is an ideologue as Obamacare is ruining the Health Insurance industry from what I have read.

Yes, he is an ideologue.  Socialist/Marxist through and through.  He has said that single payer is the ideal, but that Obamacare is a start.  Your correct about this ruining the insurance industry.  Several more are dropping at the end of this year.

In our type of governance, as much as Obama tries to dictate and by-pass congress, he runs into road blocks.  If you'll notice, not one Republican voted for Obamacare, and the House has voted like sixty times to kill it. 

The liberals use regulations to tighten controls over businesses.  Some can't keep up with them and go under, and fewer even start up.  The more the liberals conjoin business to government, the closer we are getting to government control of the means of production.  It's not being done overnight, it's done over decades.

The danger to America is not Barack Obama but the citizens capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

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« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2015, 01:32:50 AM »
People in the West must be aware that there is an ongoing Marxist revolution in the United States and European Union. It is a slow pace revolution, and while people still believe they are living in capitalism, their capitalism is being declined from year to year, until it is completely replaced by communism. And I see Marxists around the world are so happy and excited, because Marx has predicted that the imperialistic capitalism will be naturally replaced by communism as the end of history. The only thing is that process is not happening naturally, but it is being created. And if Marxists succeed, it will truly be the end of history. The bankers who have created Marxism are not capitalists, as people usually falsely believe. The bankers don't need to earn capital, because they are printing their capital at the expense of the taxpayers. Their fiat money is nothing but an ordinary communist decree. The bankers are communists, not capitalists.

Lenin and Trotsky were true Marxists, and their Bolshevik revolution in Russia was meant to bring the same liberalism Obama is bringing to America right now. Lenin and Trotsky were pushing the rights of minorities in Russia at the expense of the Russian people, the same way Obama and modern liberals are pushing the rights of every single minority at the expense of the American people. Because the Marxist agenda is to oppress the majority by pushing the rights of all kinds of minorities above the rights of the majority. But Stalin has changed the course of the revolution in Russia, because he was a patriot, and he didn't want to see his country dies under Lenin and Trotsky. That is why he was assassinating true Leninists and Trotskyists, and his agents assassinated Trotsky in Mexico. Trotskyists were forced to flee from Stalinist Russia. And now, those Trotskyists are the Neocons, mostly infiltrated in the lines of the Democrats, but there are some with the Republicans, too, and they are still in the service of the bankers. That is why they want to make people believe Russia is the worst enemy of the West, because they see Russia as their worst personal enemy, it is just their own vanity and ego. And they are now waging proxy wars with Russia in Ukraine and Syria.

I have mentioned earlier that as long as Russia controls Iran, there is no danger to Israel. And Ron Paul is confirming that: "Analysis you won't find on CNN: Russia's involvement in Syria is actually keeping Iran at bay and keeping Syria from becoming an Iranian vassal state. They've put their hooks in Syria, but Russian presence will ensure it goes not much further. That's why the Israelis are not kicking up a big fuss about it."

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http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/october/18/want-to-understand-syria/
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« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2015, 04:16:36 AM »
People in the West must be aware that there is an ongoing Marxist revolution in the United States and European Union. It is a slow pace revolution, and while people still believe they are living in capitalism, their capitalism is being declined from year to year, until it is completely replaced by communism. And I see Marxists around the world are so happy and excited, because Marx has predicted that the imperialistic capitalism will be naturally replaced by communism as the end of history. The only thing is that process is not happening naturally, but it is being created. And if Marxists succeed, it will truly be the end of history. The bankers who have created Marxism are not capitalists, as people usually falsely believe. The bankers don't need to earn capital, because they are printing their capital at the expense of the taxpayers. Their fiat money is nothing but an ordinary communist decree. The bankers are communists, not capitalists.

Lenin and Trotsky were true Marxists, and their Bolshevik revolution in Russia was meant to bring the same liberalism Obama is bringing to America right now. Lenin and Trotsky were pushing the rights of minorities in Russia at the expense of the Russian people, the same way Obama and modern liberals are pushing the rights of every single minority at the expense of the American people. Because the Marxist agenda is to oppress the majority by pushing the rights of all kinds of minorities above the rights of the majority. But Stalin has changed the course of the revolution in Russia, because he was a patriot, and he didn't want to see his country dies under Lenin and Trotsky. That is why he was assassinating true Leninists and Trotskyists, and his agents assassinated Trotsky in Mexico. Trotskyists were forced to flee from Stalinist Russia. And now, those Trotskyists are the Neocons, mostly infiltrated in the lines of the Democrats, but there are some with the Republicans, too, and they are still in the service of the bankers. That is why they want to make people believe Russia is the worst enemy of the West, because they see Russia as their worst personal enemy, it is just their own vanity and ego. And they are now waging proxy wars with Russia in Ukraine and Syria.

I have mentioned earlier that as long as Russia controls Iran, there is no danger to Israel. And Ron Paul is confirming that: "Analysis you won't find on CNN: Russia's involvement in Syria is actually keeping Iran at bay and keeping Syria from becoming an Iranian vassal state. They've put their hooks in Syria, but Russian presence will ensure it goes not much further. That's why the Israelis are not kicking up a big fuss about it."

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http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/october/18/want-to-understand-syria/

A very astute observation. We, in America, have an ongoing misconception about the ME. The common belief is the idealistic view that it can become like the West. The reality is that will never happen. Russia is a stabilizing force and as long as it does not use its presence in the ME to bring harm to the West we should embrace it. Therefore, the West must accept some unholy alliances for our long term good.
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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2015, 09:42:02 AM »
The claim is that Stalin was an agent of the Ohrana czarist secret police, infiltrated into the lines of the communists. Stalin was truly an anti-capitalist, but so was the czar and the Russian Empire before the revolution. When Stalin took control over Pravda newspapers, after the abdication of the czar in February 1917, he published an article in which he stated that the war shall continue, that Russian soldiers have just switched their czarist flags with red flags of revolution, and that it would be the most stupid politics and a treason to give up weapons and go home, because it wouldn't be a politics of peace, but a politics of slavery. But soon after the revolution in October, Lenin signed a separate peace treaty with Germany.

I found the source of your allegation to come from something named the "Eremin letter". It sounds logical as Stalin was arrested several times and sent to Siberia work camps but always somehow manages to get out. The current paradigm attributes this to incompetence and corruption within Tsarist Russia, especially in the peripheries. It sounds sort of true, though there are many suggestion the Eremin letter was forged. And judging by the Trotskyites obsession with blackpainting Stalin I would take the Eremin letter with a lot of suspicion.

In 1922, Lenin took stand against Stalin, calling him the worst Russian chauvinist, and asking for his replacement. Lenin proposed a special law to protect national minorities from Stalin's russification. But Lenin was a democrat, so he didn't take violent actions to overthrow Stalin, and he probably couldn't do it at that late time anyway. After Lenin's death, Stalin has created a moral cult of Lenin, which had nothing in common with the true Lenin, but it was Stalin's plan to replace Christ with Lenin, in order to preserve czarist regime in Russia after the revolution. That is why Russian communists today are confused, believing Lenin was a strong moral figure, which he certainly was not. Russian communism became Stalinist, pushing moral and national values in society, while Western communism became Leninist/Trotskyist, pushing immoral and anti-national values in society.

I understand it's hard to always remember once sources, and frankly one should not have too as it is impossible unless you have a brain for remembering that type of stuff. I tried to research it myself but I can't find anything in relation to this information in quotation above, except for the obvious truths. Everything I find is just more Trotskyites bullshit. By 1922 Lenin had his first stroke and like I wrote the letters condemning Stalin was written by lenins wife "Nadezjda Krupskaja" and their sycophants at the estate they reside. The signature validating the dictation for Lenin in the letters is also proven forged. She could not stand Stalin especially she felt he was replacing Lenin, and following the logic of Occam Razor with the more simple the explanation the more validity and so on it seems to me that the allegation of Lenin coming out of terms with Stalin is not true. Both Lenin and Stalin wanted the great war to continue as long as possible until they had solidified their power inside Russia, I could not find anything on Stalin wanting to continue the war despite Lenin's order, and even if true it doesn't really prove that he was a British Agent or working for Ohrana czarist secret police. Though it seems rather plausible the latter is true when everything is taken in together. As Churchill said; "the more I talk with the old bear the more I like him".


Who to believe, what is truth, or is none of it true.

By that logic it's no bother researching history at all as everything is bullshit. You know the Roman Emperor Nero tried to erase his brother existence from the history books but failed, sure the State has always tried to rewrite history but with so many multiple sources and preservation of documents we can to a very safe certain degree ascertain what is truth and what is bullshit. What we can conclude however is that leftist history always is bullshit, they even have to call it something else.
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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2015, 09:55:57 AM »
A very astute observation. We, in America, have an ongoing misconception about the ME. The common belief is the idealistic view that it can become like the West. The reality is that will never happen. Russia is a stabilizing force and as long as it does not use its presence in the ME to bring harm to the West we should embrace it. Therefore, the West must accept some unholy alliances for our long term good.

I disagree regarding Assad, he is waging genocidal war in 2011 against the Sunni's which is what sparked the Jihad in Syria. It was a not a CIA operation that created ISIS or Al-nusra front or whatever they call themselves. As long as Putin keeps Assad on life support there will be perpetual Jihad and with that factor Russia is not a stabilizing force. Though I think Putin wants perpetual Jihad as it will oil prices high and keep refugees flowing into western Europe destroying us.

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« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2015, 10:38:39 AM »
or working for Ohrana czarist secret police. Though it seems rather plausible the latter is true when everything is taken in together. As Churchill said; "the more I talk with the old bear the more I like him".

Lol, there is a true anecdote, when Stalin once asked Churchill to take a bet who will be able to eat up a whole roasted pig. Churchill refused to take the bet, but Stalin then ate up the whole pig anyway.

As far as I know, Stalin was the only Soviet leader to have a Christian funeral, and that must mean something.

Photographed below are the representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church - Metropolitan Nicholas (Николай), Archbishop Nikon (Никон) and Archpriest Nikolai Kolchitsky (Николай Колчицкий) - part of the honor guard at the coffin of Joseph Stalin.

Journal of the Moscow Patriarchate (JMP), 1953, №3, p. 5; №4, p. 3-4 (Журнал Московской Патриархии (ЖМП), 1953, №3, стр. 5; №4, стр. 3-4)



Funeral Speech by most holy patriarch of Moscow and all Russia Aleksii before requiem on I.V.Stalin, told in the patriarchal cathedral in day of Stalin’s funeral (1953-03-09).

“(…) We, who gathered for a pray about him, can not pass with silence his always benevolent, sympathizing attitude to our church needs. Any question, with which we addressed to him, has not been rejected by him; he satisfied all our requests. And a lot of good and useful, thanks to his high authority, has been done for our Church by our Government.

Memory of him for us is unforgettable, and our Russian Orthodox Church, mourning over his leaving from us, escorting him to last way, “in a way of all word”, with a hot pray.

In these sad for us days, from different directions of our Fatherland from bishops, clergy and believers, and from Heads and representatives of Churches, as orthodox and heterodox, from abroad, I receive mass of telegrams which are informing about prays about him and condoling with us on the occasion of this sad loss for us. We prayed for him when the message about his heavy illness has come. And now, when there is no more him, we pray for the world of his immortal soul.

Yesterday our special delegation, composed from high ordained metropolitan Nikolay; the representative of the episcopate, clergy and believers of Siberia of the archbishop Palladium; the representative of the episcopate, clergy and believers of Ukraine of archbishop Nikona and archpriest Nikolay, has placed a wreath to his coffin and has bowed on behalf of Russian Orthodox Church to his dear body-remains.

The pray, fulfilled with Christian love, reaches the God. We believe, as our pray about deceased will be heard by the Lord. And to our loved and unforgettable Joseph Vissarionovich we devoutly, with deep, passionate love proclaim eternal memory.“

http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/12264851095

There is even a movement to proclaim Stalin a saint. Below is an icon of Stalin. The title reads "Saint Martyr Joseph Stalin". On the right side there is a small picture representing Stalin's martyr death, it is believed he was assassinated. I am not sure what the small picture on the left represents, probably his visit to some saint woman.



http://www.politicaltheology.com/blog/saint-iosif-stalin-and-religion/
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