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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2015, 05:37:52 AM »
The thing is that everyone looks at others from their own perspective. There are different kinds of peoples in this world with different needs. Some want to have personal freedom, some want to have dictatorship. It is a matter of tradition, of culture, of religion, of genetics, etc. And they shouldn't impose their own perspective on others.

One of our faults as Americans, and George Bush proved it n Iraq, is that we believe everyone wants our freedoms and lifestyles. We are slow to learn.

I see Obama is going to meet with Putin about Syria and Ukraine. I would love to be a fly on the wall for that. Putin will make him look like the fool he is - again.
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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2015, 07:26:28 AM »
Posted a thread that exposed PKK as the socialists they are, received some flak for it, can't access the thread now, think it's locked or something.

But now there are indications that PKK is a Russian puppet and that Russia want's to form a buffer state or "march" as it was called in the good old days with Kurdistan, Iran and Syria.

So in other words the state department wants to help Russia achieve it's foreign policy goals by helping the Kurds...

http://www.jamestown.org/programs/edm/single/?tx_ttnews%5btt_news%5d=44404&tx_ttnews%5bbackPid%5d=786&no_cache=1#.VgVZaU_sm70

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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2015, 07:31:23 AM »
Posted a thread that exposed PKK as the socialists they are, received some flak for it, can't access the thread now, think it's locked or something.

But now there are indications that PKK is a Russian puppet and that Russia want's to form a buffer state or "march" as it was called in the good old days with Kurdistan, Iran and Syria.

So in other words the state department wants to help Russia achieve it's foreign policy goals by helping the Kurds...

http://www.jamestown.org/programs/edm/single/?tx_ttnews%5btt_news%5d=44404&tx_ttnews%5bbackPid%5d=786&no_cache=1#.VgVZaU_sm70

Post the link so I can see why it won't open, I doubt it was locked.
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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2015, 12:20:45 PM »
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russias-false-hopes-russia-china-and-iran-are-the-three-countries-which-can-constrain-washingtons-unilateral-action/5477952
".... Russia’s foreign minister Lavrov seems to believe that now with the failure of Washington’s policy of war and destruction in the Middle East, Washington and Russia can work together to contain the ISIS jihadists in Iraq and Syria.

This is a pipe dream. Russia and Washington cannot work together in Syria and Iraq, because the two governments have conflicting goals. Russia wants peace, respect for international law, and the containment of radical jihadists elements. Washington wants war, no legal constraints, and is funding radical jihadist elements in the interest of Middle East instability and overthrow of Assad in Syria. Even if Washington desired the same goals as Russia, for Washington to work with Russia would undermine the picture of Russia as a threat and enemy.

Russia, China, and Iran are the three countries that can constrain Washington’s unilateral action. Consequently, the three countries are in danger of a pre-emptive nuclear strike. If these countries are so naive as to believe that they can now work with Washington, given the failure of Washington’s 14-year old policy of coercion and violence in the Middle East, by rescuing Washington from the quagmire it created that gave rise to the Islamic State, they are deluded sitting ducks for a pre-emptive nuclear strike.

Washington created the Islamic State. Washington used these jihadists to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya and then sent them to overthrow Assad in Syria..."

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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2015, 01:03:10 PM »
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russias-false-hopes-russia-china-and-iran-are-the-three-countries-which-can-constrain-washingtons-unilateral-action/5477952
".... Russia’s foreign minister Lavrov seems to believe that now with the failure of Washington’s policy of war and destruction in the Middle East, Washington and Russia can work together to contain the ISIS jihadists in Iraq and Syria.

This is a pipe dream. Russia and Washington cannot work together in Syria and Iraq, because the two governments have conflicting goals. Russia wants peace, respect for international law, and the containment of radical jihadists elements. Washington wants war, no legal constraints, and is funding radical jihadist elements in the interest of Middle East instability and overthrow of Assad in Syria. Even if Washington desired the same goals as Russia, for Washington to work with Russia would undermine the picture of Russia as a threat and enemy.

Russia, China, and Iran are the three countries that can constrain Washington’s unilateral action. Consequently, the three countries are in danger of a pre-emptive nuclear strike. If these countries are so naive as to believe that they can now work with Washington, given the failure of Washington’s 14-year old policy of coercion and violence in the Middle East, by rescuing Washington from the quagmire it created that gave rise to the Islamic State, they are deluded sitting ducks for a pre-emptive nuclear strike.

Washington created the Islamic State. Washington used these jihadists to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya and then sent them to overthrow Assad in Syria..."
I bet you swallowed that piece of Urinalistic shit whole, didn't you?
One other point, the current administration in the WH has no interest in M/E peace, rather the Marxists prefer Piece, as in total chaos to help radicals achieve their goals of destroying Western culture.
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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2015, 01:46:35 AM »
".... Russia’s foreign minister Lavrov seems to believe that now with the failure of Washington’s policy of war and destruction in the Middle East, Washington and Russia can work together to contain the ISIS jihadists in Iraq and Syria.

This is a pipe dream. Russia and Washington cannot work together in Syria and Iraq, because the two governments have conflicting goals. Russia wants peace, respect for international law, and the containment of radical jihadists elements. Washington wants war, no legal constraints, and is funding radical jihadist elements in the interest of Middle East instability and overthrow of Assad in Syria. Even if Washington desired the same goals as Russia, for Washington to work with Russia would undermine the picture of Russia as a threat and enemy.

Washington created the Islamic State. Washington used these jihadists to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya and then sent them to overthrow Assad in Syria..."

I don't believe it is realistic to claim Russia and United States are enemies, I would rather say they are competitors. Enemies are those with whom any kind of negotiations are impossible, like Muslim fundamentalists for example. Also, in Ukraine we saw Russia doesn't care for international law. On the other hand, I cheer for Russian intervention in Syria, which was approved by the Syrian government, and therefore is legal, and crucial for fighting the global Muslim terrorism. I would love to see United States and Russia agree about their zones of interest in the Middle East, so that for example Russia fights Islamic State in Syria, and United States fight Islamic State in Iraq.

One other point, the current administration in the WH has no interest in M/E peace, rather the Marxists prefer Piece, as in total chaos to help radicals achieve their goals of destroying Western culture.

The part of the operation so-called "Arab Spring" was to bring Muslim migrants into Europe and America. The leftist who now rule both European Union and United States have their agenda to redistribute those Muslim migrants to every European and American state. Once these Muslim cells are created, those states will never be able to get rid of them, and will be blackmailed by the leftists and the Muslims forever.

If we look at Libya, for example, Gaddafi was a dictator, but his Libya was a secular state. He had actually created a socialist paradise in Libya, giving all oil incomes to his people, who had free housing, free medical care, free education, free cars, etc. And now, those Libyans are entering Europe as refugees, instead. But Gaddafi is a crucial example of the failure that socialism is. Because people are not happy when you gift them welfare, but when they earn it with their own hands.
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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2015, 03:53:53 AM »
obama's made us too weak to compete with Russia in the Middle East.  Today, Russian 'groups' have entered Baghdad.  Their aircraft are refueling in Iran.  So that means air-personnel are there too. 


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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2015, 04:28:58 AM »
I don't believe it is realistic to claim Russia and United States are enemies, I would rather say they are competitors. Enemies are those with whom any kind of negotiations are impossible, like Muslim fundamentalists for example. Also, in Ukraine we saw Russia doesn't care for international law. On the other hand, I cheer for Russian intervention in Syria, which was approved by the Syrian government, and therefore is legal, and crucial for fighting the global Muslim terrorism. I would love to see United States and Russia agree about their zones of interest in the Middle East, so that for example Russia fights Islamic State in Syria, and United States fight Islamic State in Iraq.

The part of the operation so-called "Arab Spring" was to bring Muslim migrants into Europe and America. The leftist who now rule both European Union and United States have their agenda to redistribute those Muslim migrants to every European and American state. Once these Muslim cells are created, those states will never be able to get rid of them, and will be blackmailed by the leftists and the Muslims forever.

If we look at Libya, for example, Gaddafi was a dictator, but his Libya was a secular state. He had actually created a socialist paradise in Libya, giving all oil incomes to his people, who had free housing, free medical care, free education, free cars, etc. And now, those Libyans are entering Europe as refugees, instead. But Gaddafi is a crucial example of the failure that socialism is. Because people are not happy when you gift them welfare, but when they earn it with their own hands.

Thank you for some very astute observations. You make an excellent point that Russia and the US have many reasons to be allies. The primary one is our common enemy of radical Islam. The barrier to that is our two countries are led by two jerks. Ours much worse than Russia's. Putin, however, has figured out that Muslim countries have not interest in freedom and democracy. Let them keep their pig sty countries as long as they don't create problems outside their borders.
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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2015, 01:32:09 PM »
Also, in Ukraine we saw Russia doesn't care for international law.
What is this suppose to mean?

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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2015, 01:41:05 AM »
What is this suppose to mean?

Recognizing unconstitutional referendum in Crimea, it's unconstitutional secession from Ukraine and joining to Russia. Also, unofficially sending military equipment and personnel to ethnic Russians in Ukraine. Which was all breaking of Ukrainian sovereignty. I don't want to confuse you, this doesn't mean I stand against Russians, on the contrary, I believe that Crimea should belong to Russia as it originally did, but if we speak about the international law, then Russia didn't care for it in Ukraine. Probably this was the only remained option for Russia, but I blame the failure of Russian diplomacy in Ukraine for that. Russia saw Ukraine in Eurasian Union, but Ukrainians didn't want to join Eurasian Union, that was the main obstacle and mistake for Russian interests in Ukraine. (I mean, neither I want to join anything which has "Asia" in its name, we were fighting to get rid of Asia for 500 years, OMG.)
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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2015, 01:29:05 PM »
http://www.israpundit.org/archives/63609594
"...What does the West set against Russia? It betrays its allies by encouraging the worst enemies. This is done senselessly, mediocrely, harmfully to own strategical interests. The West betrayed Gaddafi, who successfully collaborated with Europeans and held back Islamic fundamentalism and hordes of migrants from Africa. It betrayed Hosni Mubarak, and then tried to push el-Sisi into a corner, hindering his war with terror – in the name of “Muslim brothers” that hate the West. It betrayed the former Yemeni President Abdullah Salah, who helped US in the fight against “al-Qaeda”...

...While Russia is building its Empire, the West is concerned with self-destruction. This is a “suicidal syndrome” in the name of “progressive thinking” that killed both the progress, and thinking. The result of this contest is predictable. History does not like idiots, and especially “useful idiots.”

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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2015, 01:36:34 PM »
http://www.israpundit.org/archives/63609594
"...What does the West set against Russia? It betrays its allies by encouraging the worst enemies. This is done senselessly, mediocrely, harmfully to own strategical interests. The West betrayed Gaddafi, who successfully collaborated with Europeans and held back Islamic fundamentalism and hordes of migrants from Africa. It betrayed Hosni Mubarak, and then tried to push el-Sisi into a corner, hindering his war with terror – in the name of “Muslim brothers” that hate the West. It betrayed the former Yemeni President Abdullah Salah, who helped US in the fight against “al-Qaeda”...

...While Russia is building its Empire, the West is concerned with self-destruction. This is a “suicidal syndrome” in the name of “progressive thinking” that killed both the progress, and thinking. The result of this contest is predictable. History does not like idiots, and especially “useful idiots.”
Just wondering, do you have the ability to discern between "the West" and the Marxist in the WH Hell bent on destroying America?

I'm guessing you are in your early 20s and haven't a clue about American policy prior to Bush, right?
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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2015, 02:33:39 AM »
"...What does the West set against Russia?

That is what I dislike in Russian attitude the most. Russia always accuses the so-called "West", like all of the West is homogenous, and all of the Westerners are liberal democrats who think and do the same. When it's simply not true, and it means projecting a false reality. This way, Russia loses her allies in the West she could have had if she wasn't arrogant like that. Russia shares common interests with European nationalists and Western conservatives. It is natural for an European nationalist to stand with Russia, because Russia is the greatest Christian country in Europe and in World, and has always been protector of European nations against Islam.

The period of communism has ruined that Russian role. During the Czarist Russia, you had Romanians willingly allying with Russia and happily fighting together with Russians against Turks. And now, after the communism, Romanians hate Russians. But Russia still can revive her natural role in Europe. I believe that Russian idea of Eurasian Union is the worst Russian mistake ever. No European nation will ever agree to join Eurasian Union, except for Belarus, which is practically the same as Russia. And Eurasian Union will remain just Asian Union. That way, Russia loses her natural influence in Europe. It would be better to embrace De Gaulle's idea of Europe of Nations.
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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2015, 08:55:27 AM »
" ... approach as near as possible to Constantinople and India. Whoever governs there will be the true sovereign of the world. Consequently, excite continual wars, not only in Turkey, but in Persia And, in the decadence of Persia, Penetrate as far as the Persian Gulf advance as far as India." -Peter The Great... 1720-ish

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Re: Putin proposes real anti-ISIS coalition
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2015, 11:54:29 AM »
" ... approach as near as possible to Constantinople and India. Whoever governs there will be the true sovereign of the world. Consequently, excite continual wars, not only in Turkey, but in Persia And, in the decadence of Persia, Penetrate as far as the Persian Gulf advance as far as India." -Peter The Great... 1720-ish
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