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North Korea: Kim Jong Un observes missile-ready hydrogen bomb
« on: September 02, 2017, 06:03:59 PM »
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Seoul, South Korea (CNN)North Korea's regime has "succeeded in making a more developed nuke," according to the country's state news agency.

The Korean Central News Agency described it as a "nuke" in its English-language report, but called it a "thermonuclear hydrogen bomb" in the Korean version.

During a visit to the country's Nuclear Weapons Institute, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un "watched an H-bomb to be loaded into new ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile)," KCNA reported.

There was no independent confirmation of the claims.

"The H-bomb, the explosive power of which is adjustable from tens kiloton to hundreds kiloton, is a multi-functional thermonuclear nuke with great destructive power which can be detonated even at high altitudes for super-powerful EMP (electromagnetic pulse) attack according to strategic goals," KCNA reported in English.

This week, North Korea launched an intermediate-range missile, identified by the North Koreans as the Hwasong-12.

The missile flew over Japan, further exacerbating tensions between North Korea and the United States and its allies, Japan and South Korea.

North Korea has been test-firing missiles at a rapid pace all year. With each launch, experts say Pyongyang can further refine and perfect its missile technology.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/02/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-nuke-lab-visit/index.html


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Re: North Korea: Kim Jong Un observes missile-ready hydrogen bomb
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2017, 10:47:23 PM »
You can 'spank' me later for bumping this post but there has been further developments!

Just heard on the news that there was a 6.3 "earthquake" in NK.
Problem being that many believe that the seismic activity was caused by the Norks testing an underground Nuke!

http://abcnews.go.com/International/63-magnitude-explosion-detected-north-korea-usgs/story?id=49591865

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Re: North Korea: Kim Jong Un observes missile-ready hydrogen bomb
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2017, 09:47:52 AM »
Good, the NK people need to see first hand the destructive power of nuclear weapons, or in this case, what a thousand bunker buster bombs will feel like if he forces the US to attack.
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Re: North Korea: Kim Jong Un observes missile-ready hydrogen bomb
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2017, 07:58:45 PM »
Several reports I've read speculated that the latest Nork detonation was not a thermonuclear device, but rather a "hydrogen-enhanced" fission device. Whatever....

China is the front-door key. Russia is the back-door key. Both are the Norks' trading partners, in spite of what they represent to the UN Security Council. Unless and until China and Russia are held to account and 'encouraged' to terminate their trading practices with North Korea, fat-boy Kim is invulnerable.
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Re: North Korea: Kim Jong Un observes missile-ready hydrogen bomb
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 07:46:41 AM »
Several reports I've read speculated that the latest Nork detonation was not a thermonuclear device, but rather a "hydrogen-enhanced" fission device. Whatever....

China is the front-door key. Russia is the back-door key. Both are the Norks' trading partners, in spite of what they represent to the UN Security Council. Unless and until China and Russia are held to account and 'encouraged' to terminate their trading practices with North Korea, fat-boy Kim is invulnerable.
While our media pretends he's a lone wolf and China is helpless.
I've been saying it for more than 40 years, NK is China's rabid caged Chihuahua that happily snaps and slobbers on command.
How stupid do they think we are?

China has two options, keep the rabid dog well fed, or allow SK to merge with NK, allowing the free West along it's border. The latter is never going to happen.

Here's my analogy. You own a ten thousand acre ranch, and at the entrance of this ranch you allow a squatter to remain on a tenth of an acre which happens to also occupy both sides of the road entrance to the ranch.
This squatter is a crazy smart loon that sits in the middle of the road atop a WWII Chinese tank, with a suicide vest on, and each hand has a grenade in it.

That's the Kim family, no one enters China via NK. China loves their little pet, he is obedient, only asks for enough food for himself and throws the leftover scraps to those below him.
With hindsight being 20/20, why in the Hell has the US even acknowledged the little bastard?
The only recognition he should have received, was complete destruction of his military back when Kim seized the Pueblo.
But we had a crazy coward in the WH at the time. He was a Dim, he personally destroyed the Black family.

Betcha can't guess his name. :laugh:
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Re: North Korea: Kim Jong Un observes missile-ready hydrogen bomb
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 07:09:08 PM »
While our media pretends he's a lone wolf and China is helpless.
I've been saying it for more than 40 years, NK is China's rabid caged Chihuahua that happily snaps and slobbers on command.
How stupid do they think we are?

China has two options, keep the rabid dog well fed, or allow SK to merge with NK, allowing the free West along it's border. The latter is never going to happen.

Here's my analogy. You own a ten thousand acre ranch, and at the entrance of this ranch you allow a squatter to remain on a tenth of an acre which happens to also occupy both sides of the road entrance to the ranch.
This squatter is a crazy smart loon that sits in the middle of the road atop a WWII Chinese tank, with a suicide vest on, and each hand has a grenade in it.

That's the Kim family, no one enters China via NK. China loves their little pet, he is obedient, only asks for enough food for himself and throws the leftover scraps to those below him.
With hindsight being 20/20, why in the Hell has the US even acknowledged the little bastard?
The only recognition he should have received, was complete destruction of his military back when Kim seized the Pueblo.
But we had a crazy coward in the WH at the time. He was a Dim, he personally destroyed the Black family.

Betcha can't guess his name. :laugh:

You're right. I can't guess his name, but I'll bet it starts with LBJ and ends with (D).  :tounge:

Oh, and on that subject, may his withered soul continue to rot in Hell. That being said.....

I think NorK was originally set up as you describe, but not by the Chinese. It was the Chinese who flooded over the border to chase McArthur off the peninsula (McArthur was forever being chased off peninsulas and claiming it was some sort of clever new military strategy....) But it was the Soviets who wanted a buffer state on the Korean peninsula. The Soviets did the same thing times ten in Eastern Europe, with Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, and many others, and even cleaving Germany to keep the eastern part as a cushion between the Motherland and the West. Keep in mind that our guys were being shot down in Korea by Soviet MiG-15s, often (unofficially) being flown by Soviet pilots. This exact scenario was played out just fifteen years later -- with exactly the same players -- on another Asian peninsula where Soviet pilots were flying MiG-17s and Soviet-trained gooks were launching Soviet-made SAMs at the F-4s overhead. My guess is that you can name that hot spot.

In these times, with the prominence of space technology, the existence of untraceable nukes (most are submarine-based now), and cyber-warfare, it should be obvious that such land-based obstacles are worse than obsolete. In the end, they were never more than glorified Siegfried Lines. In fact, they're cumbersome and counterproductive. But what do you do with.... Cuba? What do you do with North Korea, a nation that claims to have ICBMs and nuclear weapons, but cannot manage to generate electricity around the clock or produce food for its own people? (Ever notice in those pub shots of Kim that he's the ONLY fat person in the shot?)

I think China is like the sneaky neighbor who steals into Russia's chicken house, leaves a little ground corn behind, and lights out with all the eggs. China's primary investment in the establishment of North Korea was about 180,000 dead grunts 65 years ago. China had the grunts to spare and still does. It was a cheap price then, in their eyes, and it continues to pay off handsomely. Russia, on the other hand, gets little out of its deal with North Korea, and nothing out of North Korea's status as an old-fashioned "buffer state." Fact is, buffer states lost their utility fifty years ago. I mean, seriously, how could a pro-Western Korean peninsula affect China or Russia in any way? What good is a buffer state against an ICBM?

I think the Russians are supplying much of North Korea's military establishment and beginning to wonder why. I think China is North Korea's bank. (North Korea does have lots of coal and iron ore, along with millions of virtual slaves to mine the stuff.) There's general agreement that China is by far North Korea's largest trading partner, especially if you include the trade that takes place in violation of the UN sanctions. And of course, Russia is second in line, also outside the sanctions.

To sum it up, I think it's politics. Either the Chinese or the Russians can shut down Kim in the blink of an eye. (Same can be said for Castro in Cuba or, to a lesser extent, Maduro in Venezuela.) I think they don't want to do that. I think they see no harm in letting things progress as they are. North Korea is a blistering sore in the Southeast Asian sphere, and Castro is a festering pimple on the ass of North America. It costs neither China nor Russia a significant amount of riches to keep things just as they are.
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Re: North Korea: Kim Jong Un observes missile-ready hydrogen bomb
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 07:58:41 PM »
Though Russia has always played a key role in supporting NK. NK's entire existence depends solely on China.
But we all know, China doesn't want Kim to stop his antics, they say "Jump Kim" and he asks how high and how far.
Though I believe nothing will come of NK, nor will Kim attack the US, I do believe this entire play will come to a very quiet and uncelebrated curtain call, with China silently telling Kim, "Good Boy", Trump accepting the quiet and thankful he never had to fire a shot.

I do believe Trump has China in check over the NK issue, he has all the cards left to play, from arming Japan, Guam and SK with nukes, to boycotting Chinese goods, (though trade is a last resort) while China has but one option and that's to make all of this go away quietly to save face.
Unlike the 50s, neither China or Russia is in a position to challenge us militarily, and China knows quite well, if they allow Kim to attack the US, they'll lose NK and have the US on their border.
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Re: North Korea: Kim Jong Un observes missile-ready hydrogen bomb
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2017, 08:40:39 PM »
Though Russia has always played a key role in supporting NK. NK's entire existence depends solely on China.
But we all know, China doesn't want Kim to stop his antics, they say "Jump Kim" and he asks how high and how far.
Though I believe nothing will come of NK, nor will Kim attack the US, I do believe this entire play will come to a very quiet and uncelebrated curtain call, with China silently telling Kim, "Good Boy", Trump accepting the quiet and thankful he never had to fire a shot.

I do believe Trump has China in check over the NK issue, he has all the cards left to play, from arming Japan, Guam and SK with nukes, to boycotting Chinese goods, (though trade is a last resort) while China has but one option and that's to make all of this go away quietly to save face.
Unlike the 50s, neither China or Russia is in a position to challenge us militarily, and China knows quite well, if they allow Kim to attack the US, they'll lose NK and have the US on their border.

I think we're in agreement in that North Korea is a creation of the Soviets, but now is a client of the Chinese. Kim still depends on both, but the real money comes from China, and without that currency, Kim can't buy the toys he wants from places like Iran. The North Korean money is worthless outside Pyongyang, so anything from anywhere else is gold.

To a certain extent, I think Kim is doing Beijing's bidding. But the evidence is pretty clear that he's some sort of sociopath. He ain't right in the head. He's got a lot of screws, but about half of 'em are loose.

I think either China or Russia can shut Kim down overnight. All it will take is the correct motivation.
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Re: North Korea: Kim Jong Un observes missile-ready hydrogen bomb
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2017, 04:59:55 AM »
I think we're in agreement in that North Korea is a creation of the Soviets, but now is a client of the Chinese. Kim still depends on both, but the real money comes from China, and without that currency, Kim can't buy the toys he wants from places like Iran. The North Korean money is worthless outside Pyongyang, so anything from anywhere else is gold.

To a certain extent, I think Kim is doing Beijing's bidding. But the evidence is pretty clear that he's some sort of sociopath. He ain't right in the head. He's got a lot of screws, but about half of 'em are loose.

I think either China or Russia can shut Kim down overnight. All it will take is the correct motivation.
Yeah, the Soviet era was all about breaking up free States under its Communist expansion plan anywhere it could and NK was the perfect proxy against the US at the time.
Russia today uses NK like a grandparent gifts their grandchildren drums and horns, to drive their own kids crazy, a passive aggressive revenge with a smile, "It's for the children, sweetheart". As they help irritate the US while winking to China.

Kim is what's considered Royalty in Asian cultures, God like powers as the people worship him, though he isn't crazy in the literal sense, he is spoiled nuts with power, however, I have to solidly disagree, everything Kim does is under the guiding hand of China. This was common knowledge even as far back as 1973, before China opened up for trade.
Keep in mind, NK is no bigger than Northern Ca. Nothing more than a blemish in comparison to communist China who keeps the kim dictatorship alive, or as his grandfather liked to call it, Juche, just another form of oppressive Communism.

Virtually every piece of military hardware Kim holds, is from Chinese cast offs and whatever USSR left behind after the 50s, though as you point out, some of it is coming from our enemies in trade for his munitions.
But again, nothing is going to happen on the Peninsula where a direct hit on US machine or territory is concerned, Kim is merely a distraction for the Chinese so they can build islands in the South China Sea in their slow expansion for territorial waters historically recognized as free trade zones.

I believe this is the true threat, not tomorrow, not next year, but China thinks in terms of centuries, they will one day claim the area their own and control trade with a heavy fist.
Yes, China is gearing up for world domination, much in the image of the US in controlling markets, only with the Yen as the petrol dollar.
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