Hypothetical Question

Started by Solar, May 29, 2013, 04:32:53 PM

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Solar

Just assume for a moment, Japan never attacked, we never entered the war in the European theater.
I ask, because it was our might that turned the tables in Europe, leading to Stalin seeing us as a threat to be reckoned with in turn creating the cold war.

Now had none of that ever happened, what do you all suppose the world would look like today?
Would we be under Canada's protection, considering we would not have developed such a huge fighting force.
Or maybe Korea may have seen Alaska as an attractive piece of real estate?

Or would we all be speaking German? :unsure:
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Interesting topic, one that has been addressed more or less fully by others in the past. Of course, Japan DID attack, and Hitler DID declare war on the US (for some reason), so this is all fantasyland...

Canada's "protection?" Tough to envision that. Canada has never been a serious world power, and likely won't ever be without real global warming. (Think about it -- an awful lot of Canada is for practical purposes uninhabitable, being near or north of the Arctic Circle and all.)

I think sometimes we tend to lose sight of the inevitable significance of the US on the world stage. Simply because of our sheer size and the magnitude of our natural resources, coupled with a very livable climate in most places, and with a political system that fostered capitalism, the US has always stood alone as a natural inheritor of world power. That "huge fighting force" you speak of couldn't have been developed as quickly, if at all, anywhere else on Earth.

I'm not sure why Korea would want Alaska. Don't they have enough snow on that miserable peninsula?
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Solar

Quote from: TboneAgain on May 30, 2013, 01:48:31 PM
Interesting topic, one that has been addressed more or less fully by others in the past. Of course, Japan DID attack, and Hitler DID declare war on the US (for some reason), so this is all fantasyland...

Canada's "protection?" Tough to envision that. Canada has never been a serious world power, and likely won't ever be without real global warming. (Think about it -- an awful lot of Canada is for practical purposes uninhabitable, being near or north of the Arctic Circle and all.)

I think sometimes we tend to lose sight of the inevitable significance of the US on the world stage. Simply because of our sheer size and the magnitude of our natural resources, coupled with a very livable climate in most places, and with a political system that fostered capitalism, the US has always stood alone as a natural inheritor of world power. That "huge fighting force" you speak of couldn't have been developed as quickly, if at all, anywhere else on Earth.

I'm not sure why Korea would want Alaska. Don't they have enough snow on that miserable peninsula?
All well and good, but you never addressed the actual topic.

But why would Korea want Alaska? Because if we had never entered the war in the first place, we wouldn't have had the Military available to help the South, in turn leaving a commie Korea looking beyond it''s borders for resources.
This is why I ask the question, what would the world look like had we not gotten involved, and yes, it never happened, so obviously it's a leap into fantasy.

The idea is to look at world powers at the time and try and predict how they would react without us getting involved.

Libs love to believe that if we kept to ourselves, the world would suddenly be a peaceful place... :rolleyes:
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I like the "stay out, supply all sides enabling them to fight 'til they collapse, while building up our own forces" option myself.
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Quote from: mdgiles on May 31, 2013, 06:42:01 PM
I like the "stay out, supply all sides enabling them to fight 'til they collapse, while building up our own forces" option myself.
Good point.
I think that's how the Swede's did it, played the ends against the middle.
Something we should learn from.
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Quote from: Solar on May 29, 2013, 04:32:53 PM
Just assume for a moment, Japan never attacked, we never entered the war in the European theater.
I ask, because it was our might that turned the tables in Europe, leading to Stalin seeing us as a threat to be reckoned with in turn creating the cold war.

Now had none of that ever happened, what do you all suppose the world would look like today?
Would we be under Canada's protection, considering we would not have developed such a huge fighting force.
Or maybe Korea may have seen Alaska as an attractive piece of real estate?

Or would we all be speaking German? :unsure:

I would say that what we're watching unfold with Obama's dictatorship, is what it would have been like if we never entered the war...it just would have happened sooner. Our country is being run by people that should be behind bars; and we voted for them.

The people that fought in WWII are dead and gone, and we are now a nation of sheep. The president has used the IRS, EPA, etc., as jack-booted thugs, and nothing will be done about it. The president has announced that he will not appoint a special prosecutor to the IRS case, and if any of it gets too close to him, he will use executive privilege as he did in Fast & Furious. We have given away the farm to vicious and evil people.

Edit: Matter of fact; I think that if Obama was in power in the days leading up to, and during WWII, and he had the power that he currently has, he would have aligned himself with Hitler and the Japs and taken North and South America for himself.

TboneAgain

OK, I can envision a scenario where the US never entered the war. But what about Lend-Lease? What about the Liberty ships and the convoys and the wholesale arming of the Brits and the Soviets on credit? Are we to assume that those things didn't happen? What about the enforced embargoes of things like steel (scrap iron) and oil against Japan?

Gimme some rules here, dammit.  :tounge:
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