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Offline TerribleMan

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Good books on the true Vietnam War?
« on: March 01, 2016, 08:54:38 AM »
I'm probably going to be mixing the Vietnam War with the Korean War, and generally string together sentences that don't pose historically accurate questions. But here goes.......

I have learned about Vietnam War from school in my freshman year of high school, but there was never a discussion on the politics or anything controversial and of course there was probably a very leftist view in the way it was taught to me. Through my searching on google I could not find any books that said they explicitly discuss the dirty side of it all. I've heard that liberals forced us to end the war and directly led to the end of the peace we created in Vietnam and there was something like over a million people who died because leftists refused to honor the agreements we had with he more peaceful side of the Vietnamese.


I just know so little. Are there any good books that are well cited along the lines of FDR's folly. I've only been awakened to this stuff in the last couple of years and now I'm 30, lol.



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Re: Good books on the true Vietnam War?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2016, 09:23:50 AM »
Good question, considering most of us were in the Military during Nam, so for most of us it's just a part of life, so books on the subject tend to be opinion pieces with an agenda.

The short answer, and yes, you are so far correct. The French got us in this shit, JFK got involved, the French left him holding the bag, he inserted a shit load of advisers, JFK dead, LBJ starts an all out war, Commies use it as a wedge in America, create protests on campuses around the nation, Nixon is elected and ends the war started by Dims.

That's the very abbreviated version/timeline. Fact is, those leftist tools of the 60s era campus protests lead the Dim Marxist party of today, and yes, they are a full blown Marxist party.
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Re: Good books on the true Vietnam War?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2016, 10:00:49 AM »
I'm sure that there are literally thousands of books out there about the war, but what you are looking for depends on how you want to approach your research. What Solar said is accurate, but the why's of JFK's involvement is probably a good start, as well as the French involvement.

Good luck on your quest and let us know how you turned out in your research.

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Re: Good books on the true Vietnam War?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 10:33:28 AM »
We should also not forget there was prevailing sentiment at the time about the spread of communism and we were sold this was necessary because of the "domino theory". The politicians and diplomats told us we had to stop communism in Vietnam in order to stop communism in that part of the world. Then when LBJ ramped up the war we were lied to about what was going on. At that point we only had the MSM for information. By the time the people figured out what was going on it was too late. Unfortunately, over 56,000 of our heroes died for the nonsense.
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Re: Good books on the true Vietnam War?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2016, 11:20:19 AM »
I'm sure that there are literally thousands of books out there about the war, but what you are looking for depends on how you want to approach your research. What Solar said is accurate, but the why's of JFK's involvement is probably a good start, as well as the French involvement.

Good luck on your quest and let us know how you turned out in your research.
Good idea, in fact, we could make it the official Nam thread, one where we hammer out truth from leftist bull shit (Walter CONkite).
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Re: Good books on the true Vietnam War?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2016, 11:21:59 AM »
We should also not forget there was prevailing sentiment at the time about the spread of communism and we were sold this was necessary because of the "domino theory". The politicians and diplomats told us we had to stop communism in Vietnam in order to stop communism in that part of the world. Then when LBJ ramped up the war we were lied to about what was going on. At that point we only had the MSM for information. By the time the people figured out what was going on it was too late. Unfortunately, over 56,000 of our heroes died for the nonsense.
Exactly!!!
In hindsight, we should have told the french to fuck a frog.
Fact is, communists know no borders, as evidenced by our own Marxist Dim party.
So getting involved in Nam was an excuse by the elites to line their pockets via military establishment/corporate connections.
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Re: Good books on the true Vietnam War?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2016, 11:44:58 AM »
Good idea, in fact, we could make it the official Nam thread, one where we hammer out truth from leftist bull shit (Walter CONkite).

That should prove to be a worth while goal. As you said, many of us are Viet Nam vets, that have lost friends and family members in a political war that never should happened.

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Re: Good books on the true Vietnam War?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2016, 11:55:02 AM »
Here's a brief overview of the war, with detailed historical data at the site.

http://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/vietnamwar/summary.html

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Summary of Events
Imperialism and Colonialism

The Vietnam War has roots in Vietnam’s centuries of domination by imperial and colonial powers—first China, which ruled ancient Vietnam, and then France, which took control of Vietnam in the late 1800s and established French Indochina. In the early 1900s, nationalist movements emerged in Vietnam, demanding more self-governance and less French influence. The most prominent of these was led by Communist leader Ho Chi Minh, who founded a militant nationalist organization called the Viet Minh.

The First Indochina War

During World War II, when France was occupied by Nazi Germany, it lost its foothold in Vietnam, and Japan took control of the country. The Viet Minh resisted these Japanese oppressors and extended its power base throughout Vietnam. When Japan surrendered at the end of World War II in 1945, Ho Chi Minh’s forces took the capital of Hanoi and declared Vietnam to be an independent country, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam.


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Re: Good books on the true Vietnam War?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2016, 01:46:49 PM »
Michael Medved wrote a pretty good book about the Vietnam War called the Three Big Lies About the Vietnam War. I'm not a huge fan of Medved, especially since he has started using the Eleventh Commandment to wipe his *ss. But I've read some of the book and it's great.

Just BTW, Pat Conroy wrote about Vietnam at length in his best selling book, "Beach Music," in a profoundly insightful way, although it is from a more personal POV and does not deal with politics hardly at all except in showing how some callous people reacted to it with hate for soldiers that was barbarically misplaced and immoral. 

Also, it might be interesting to note that Vietnam spawned the dawn of the something that R. Buckminster Fuller called "soft warfare". That is the use of words as munitions, a strategery (sic) that has proven very effective to this very day. The Chicoms and their proxies the North Vietnamese used this as an effective way to counter  an adversary geo-politically which could not be defeated by blunt force military power. Fuller wrote about it at some length in his magnum opus "Critical Path" in 1982.

Fuller also predicted the Wall Street bailout by tax payers 30 years before it happened and pointed out how the U.S. government collaborated with the investment banking industry to use the pretense of the Dust Bowl to effectively usurp for multinational corporate interests, tens of thousands of small family-owned farms through usurious loan policies.
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Re: Good books on the true Vietnam War?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2016, 03:30:14 PM »
It sounds like you are looking for the politics of the war.  I don't read books on the war so can't recommend any.  But if you want to learn a little about it from people who were there, you can spend some time with the Texas Tech Vietnam Center on-line:  http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/     Texas Tech has by far the largest, most complete collection of information on the war.

One of the best things they have done is a huge number of interviews with Vietnam veterans to get first person oral histories.  Look at  http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/oralhistory/interviews/browse/   These include people who were in all kinds of roles in Vietnam, including quite a few from combat veterans, whose experience is very different from the large majority of Vietnam vets, who can give you a feel for what it was like to actually be in the bush.
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Re: Good books on the true Vietnam War?
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2016, 07:18:16 AM »
I suggest if you want to learn about the Vietnam war you don;t read books but instead go seek out the veterans and the men and women who were actually there. I stopped reading books on the war I fought in about 30 years ago when I decided most of them were based on political bullshit written by people who were out to make a buck and give America a black eye in the process.

Many of the things that were discussed back in the day about the evils of communism did come to pass. The domino theory (or the attempt) The murder and rape of Cambodia (which continues today) the intended goal of destroying America.....which is happening before our eyes and the role of China as a world leader.

Books written by 'grunts' everyday American GI's who were just a bunch of kids really are more factual, more varied and a better read.
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