Quote from: mdgiles on February 11, 2016, 04:00:23 PM
You're wrong. They fought to defend the Republic of South Vietnam, and to keep Southeast Asia from going Communist. And they won. Then a Democrap came to power and threw it all away - damn that sounds familiar! Like something that just happened recently?

You are so correct and, unfortunately, time erases facts. Most people do not remember what a threat communism was during that period, especially in the far east. It was called the "domino theory" and the original purpose of the Vietnam war was to stop communism there. As Giles points, out LBJ tried to give us "guns and butter' and would not fight to win the war. It cost us about 58,000 heroes, some of which were my friends. He was an evil man.

Five months after I came home from the RVN (Republic of Vietnam) following completion of my 2d tour of duty (aka deployment), the first Vietnam draft lottery drawing was held on December 1, 1969; as such Donald Trump's b-day being 14June46, his number would've been No.356 -- which meant he probably wouldn't have been subject to the draft. As designed the 1st third (1-122) were advised to expect draft notice; 2d third may/may not be called up; final 3d were unlikely to be drafted. However, depending upon where person registered for selective service, marital status, or employment plus number of years since registration played role in delaying such draft notifications.

Over the years I've amassed extensive collection of those who should have been drafted, which I here-in share with CPF members. For reference my lottery draft number was 213.

Among Republicans:
Tom Ridge: did not serve. Entered draft but recieved #245
Andy Card: did not serve. Draft #65 - should have been drafted
Dennis Hastert: did not serve. Not subject to 1969 Draft Lottery because born before 1945
Tom Delay: did not serve. Entered draft but received #312
Bill Frist: did not serve. Was in medical school-deferred
Steve Forbes: did not serve. Entered draft but recieved #190
Trent Lott: did not serve. Entered draft but received #234
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Entered draft but received #197
Jeb Bush: did not serve. Draft #159 - should have been drafted
Karl Rove: did not serve. Entered draft, received #84 - should have been drafted
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. Not subject to 1969 Draft Lottery because born before 1945
Newt Gingrich: did not serve. Not subject to 1969 Draft Lottery because born before 1945
George W. Bush: National Guard. If had entered draft, would have received #327 which contributed to his leaving Air Nat'l Guard prior to fulfilling commitment.
Phil Gramm: did not serve. Not subject to 1969 Draft Lottery because born before 1945
JC Watts: did not serve. Draft had been replaced by all volunteer army before J.C. turned 18
Jack Kemp: did not serve. Not subject to 1969 Draft Lottery because born before 1945
Dan Quayle: served with Indiana National Guard despite having Draft Lottery #210
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve. Not subject to 1969 Draft Lottery because born before 1945
George Pataki: did not serve. Entered draft but received #358
Spencer Abraham: did not serve. Entered draft, received #272

Now for Donkeycrats:
Sandy Berger: did not serve. Draft #94 - should have been drafted
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72. Draft #110 - enlisted to avoid being drafted
James Carville Jr.: did not serve. Not subject to 1969 Draft Lottery because born before 1945
Gary Condit: did not serve. Draft #62 - should have been drafted.
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72. Draft #43 - enlisted to avoid being drafted
John Edwards (Kerry's 2004 running mate): did not serve; Draft #76 - should have been drafted.
John Feingold: did not serve. Draft #77 - should have been drafted
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam in 20th Engineer Brigade. Draft #30; served as writer for Stars & Stripes
Dennis Kucinich, #342 - Eligible but with high number
Robert Reich: did not serve. Entered draft but received #358
Bill Richardson: did not serve. Draft #131 - should have been drafted
Charles "Chuck" Schumer: did not serve. Draft #182 - should have been drafted
Al Sharpton: did not serve. Entered draft but received #244
George Tenet: did not serve. Draft #101 - should have been drafted
Al Franken: did not serve. Entered draft but received #250

Now for some of the notable media types:
Paul Allen (Microsoft co-founder), #347 - Eligible but with high number
Gary Bauer (political activiist), #276 - Eligible but with high number
Carl Bernstein - Not subject to draft because born in/before 1945
Wolf Blitzer, #248 - Eligible but with high number
Aaron Brown (CNN anchor), #282 - Eligible but with high number
Pat Buchanan: did not serve. Not subject to 1969 Draft Lottery because born before 1945
Tucker Carlson: did not serve. All volunteer military replaced draft before he turned 18
Bob Costas: did not serve. Entered drafted but received #265
Howard Dean, #148 - Should have been drafted
Lou Dobbs - Not subject to draft because born in/before 1945
Christopher Dodd - Not subject to draft because born in/before 1945
Steve Doocy: did not serve. All volunteer military replaced draft before he was 18
Larry Flynt - Not subject to draft because born in/before 1945
Tommy Franks (retired Army general) - Not subject to draft because born in/before 1945; volunteered
Greg Gumbel, #40 - Should have been drafted
Chuck Hagel, #202 - Good chance wouldn't have been drafted
Sean Hannity: did not serve. Draft replaced by volunteer military before he turned 18
Brit Hume - Not subject to draft because born in/before 1945
John Kasich, #295 - Eligible but with high number
Jeffery Katzenberg, #70 - Should have been drafted
Michael Kinsley: did not serve. Entered draft but received #317
Ted Koppel - Not subject to draft because born in/before 1945
Bill Kristol: did not serve. Draft #162 - should have been drafted
Matt Lauer - Draft ended before he turned 18
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve. Entered draft but received #221
Chris Matthews: did not serve. Being born in '45 was subject to draft
Kweisi Mfume, #196 - Good chance wouldn't have been drafted
Dennis Miller: did not serve. Entered draft but received #294
Michael Moore - Draft ended before he turned 18
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve. Draft #71- should have been drafted
Richard Parsons (Time magazine CEO), #81 - Should have been drafted
Tim Russert: did not serve. Draft #35 - should have been drafted
Michael Reagan - Not subject to draft because born in/before 1945
Ralph Reed: did not serve. All volunteer military replaced draft before he turned 18
Mitt Romney, #300 - Eligible but with high
Kenneth Starr: did not serve. Draft #27 - should have been drafted
Antonin Scalia: did not serve. Not subject to 1969 Draft Lottery because born before 1945
Clarence Thomas: did not serve. Draft #109 - should have been drafted
Chris Wallace: served in Vietnam. Entered draft, received #72 - was drafted

Now for everybody's favorites - Celebs & Well Known People (including those quite vocal in politics):
Gregg Allman, #105 - Should have been drafted
Tim Allen: did not serve. Draft #69 - should have been drafted
Richard Dean Anderson, #118 - Should have been drafted
Desi Arnaz Jr, #188 - Good chance wouldn't have been drafted
Armand Assante, #202 - Good chance wouldn't have been drafted
Ed Begley Jr, #207 - Good chance wouldn't have been drafted
Tom Berenger: did not serve. Entered draft but received #313
Jeff Bridges: did not serve. Draft #165 - should have been drafted
Keith Carradine: did not serve. Draft #48 - should have been drafted
Alice Cooper, #210 - Good chance wouldn't have been drafted
Billy Crystal: did not serve. Entered draft but received #354
Ted Danson: did not serve. Draft #16 - should have been drafted
Richard Dreyfuss: did not serve. Draft #99 - should have been drafted
Fred Dryer, #327 - Eligible but with high number
Patrick Duffy, #33 - Should have been drafted
Erik Estrada, #166 - Should have been drafted
Dan Fogelberg, #307 - Eligible but with high number
Larry Gatlin, #298 - Eligible but with high number
Richard Gere: did not serve. Draft #11 - should have been drafted.
Mel Gibson: did not serve. All volunteer military replaced draft before he was 18
Robert Ginty, #127 - Should have been drafted
Danny Glover: did not serve. Draft #153 - should have been drafted
Jeff Goldblum, #117 - Should have been drafted
John Goodman, #360 - Eligible but with high number
Michael Gross, #27 - Should have been drafted
Christorpher Guest, #214 - Good chance wouldn't have been drafted
Arlo Guthrie, #284 - Eligible but with high number
Daryl Hall, #237 - Eligible but with high number
Mark Hamill, #149 - Should have been drafted
Ed Harris, #281 - Eligible but with high number
David Hasselhoff, #98 - Should have been drafted
Don Henley, #153 - Should have been drafted
PeeWee Herman, #352 - Eligible but with high number
Ron Howard: did not serve. Entered draft but received #364
Tom Hulce, #198 - Good chance wouldn't have been drafted
Bill Irwin, #14 - Should have been drafted
Samuel L. Jackson: did not serve. Draft #70 - should have been drafted
Don Johnson: did not serve. Entered draft but received #320
Tommy Lee Jones: did not serve. Draft #113 - should have been drafted
David Keith - Draft ended before he turned 18
John Landis, #261 - Eligible but with high number
Kenny Loggins, #306 - Eligible but with high number
George Lucas: did not serve. Not subject to 1969 Draft Lottery because born before 1945
Barry Manilow, #73 - Should have been drafted
Tim Matheson: did not serve. Draft #100 - should have been drafted
Michael McKean, #288 - Eligible but with high number
Gerald McRaney, #311 - Eligible but with high number
John Mellencamp, #234 - Eligible but with high number
Bill Murray: did not serve. Entered draft but received #204
Christopher Noth - Draft ended before he turned 18
John Oates, #149 - Should have been drafted
Edward James Olmos: did not serve. Entered draft but received #236
Ed O'Neill: did not serve. Entered draft but received #346
Mickey O'Rouke: did not serve. Entered draft but received #284
Jameson Parker: did not serve. Draft #146 - should have been drafted
Will Patton: did not serve. Draft #113 - should have been drafted
Ron Perlman: did not serve. Draft #124 - should have been drafted
Tom Petty, #192 - Good chance wouldn't have been drafted
Joe Piscopo: did not serve. Draft #98 - should have been drafted
Billy Preston, #263 - Eligible but with high number
Dennis Quaid: did not serve. All volunteer military replaced draft before he was 18
Randy Quaid: did not serve. Entered draft but received #359
Rob Reiner, #139 - Should have been drafted
Lionel Ritchie, #360 - Eligible but with high number
Tim Robbins: did not serve. All volunteer military replaced draft before he was 18
Kurt Russell: did not serve. Draft #33 - should have been drafted
Pat Sajak, #7 - Should have been drafted
Garry Shandling, #99 - Should have been drafted
Ron Silver, #350 - Eligible but with high number
Jerry Springer, #152 - Should have been drafted
Howard Stern - Draft ended before he turned 18
Parker Stevenson, #20 - Should have been drafted
Patrick Swayze, #141 - Should have been drafted
Steven Seagal: did not serve. Entered draft but received #218
Jerry Seinfeld: did not serve. All volunteer military replaced draft before he was 18
Steven Spielberg: did not serve. Draft #128 - should have been drafted
Bruce Springsteen: did not serve. Draft #119 - should have been drafted
Slyvester Stallone: did not serve. Entered draft but received #327
Oliver Stone: served in Vietnam. Entered draft, received #113 - was drafted
John Tesh: did not serve. Entered draft but received #279
Phillip Michael Thomas, #357 - Eligible but with high number
Richard Thomas: did not serve. Draft #69 - should have been drafted
John Travolta: did not serve. All volunteer military replaced draft before he was 18
Steven Van Zandt, #9 - Should have been drafted
Ben Vereen, #220 - Good chance wouldn't have been drafted
Denzel Washington: did not serve. All volunteer military replaced draft before he was 18
Carl Weathers: did not serve. Entered draft, received #238
Peter Weller, #358 - Eligible but with high number
Robin Williams: did not serve. Draft #27 - should have been drafted
Treat Williams, #129 - Should have been drafted
Bruce Willis: did not serve. All volunteer military replaced draft before he was 18
Demond Wilson, #138 - Should have been drafted
Henry Winkler - Not subject to draft because born in/before 1945
James Woods: did not serve. Draft #90 - should have been drafted
Robert Zemeckis, #178 - Should have been drafted