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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2015, 07:22:57 AM »
There's no denying we have the most powerful Military in world history, but with that power comes great responsibility coupled with great restraint.
Like I said, if we wanted to attack Russia, there is nothing anyone could do and no one that could stop us, but as an American, we would not stand for an unprovoked attack against Russia.
Russia has nothing we want, not one damn thing, if they did, we'd have taken it back in the 80s.

What you see in America is a weak Marxist leader and Putin knows this and is taking advantage of the situation, as would most leaders looking to increase power.
Watch how things quickly change after we get rid of our child dictator. Stability will return to the world, economies will begin to stabilize and improve.

Like I said, with great power, come a great responsibility. Something American Conservatives take very seriously, while liberal socialists exploit at our and yours, and the rest of the world's expense.

Russia had been attacked twice in their recent history, once by Napoleon, and the other time by Hitler. So, they have that historical experience which warns them to be careful. For example, if your house was robbed twice, you would watch closely for possible robbers, and if someone suspicious is approaching your house, you would take your gun just in case, maybe even fire a warning shot. I believe that is the situation with Russia. They had been attacked twice, and now they see NATO approaching them, so they took their guns. Russia has intervened so far only where the Russian minority was attacked, like in Georgia and Ukraine. I am sure America would intervene too if some Americans were attacked anywhere in the world.

I truly hope you will elect a decent American patriot for the president. But, what if someone else wins? What if Hillary Clinton wins? Her administration would then have NATO infrastructure and forces on Russian borders in control. And you know well that Clinton wouldn't care for the interests of the American people. You, and any other decent American, would surely not attack Russia. But, Clinton's administration wouldn't be made of decent Americans. She is just a puppet of Wall Street's and FED's bankers, and they don't care for both American or Russian or any other people in the world. There the danger lays. We already had the case when the first Clinton attacked Yugoslavia in 1999 breaking all of the NATO principles. What if the second Clinton does the same to Russia?
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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2015, 07:36:20 AM »
Russia had been attacked twice in their recent history, once by Napoleon, and the other time by Hitler. So, they have that historical experience which warns them to be careful. For example, if your house was robbed twice, you would watch closely for possible robbers, and if someone suspicious is approaching your house, you would take your gun just in case, maybe even fire a warning shot. I believe that is the situation with Russia. They had been attacked twice, and now they see NATO approaching them, so they took their guns. Russia has intervened so far only where the Russian minority was attacked, like in Georgia and Ukraine. I am sure America would intervene too if some Americans were attacked anywhere in the world.

I truly hope you will elect a decent American patriot for the president. But, what if someone else wins? What if Hillary Clinton wins? Her administration would then have NATO infrastructure and forces on Russian borders in control. And you know well that Clinton wouldn't care for the interests of the American people. You, and any other decent American, would surely not attack Russia. But, Clinton's administration wouldn't be made of decent Americans. She is just a puppet of Wall Street's and FED's bankers, and they don't care for both American or Russian or any other people in the world. There the danger lays. We already had the case when the first Clinton attacked Yugoslavia in 1999 breaking all of the NATO principles. What if the second Clinton does the same to Russia?

To be fair Russia attacked France through it's alliance with Austria after the Napoleonic factions executed Duke of Enghien. So Russia can't claim to never have invaded Europe, as they did try to invade France.

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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2015, 09:18:06 AM »
Russia had been attacked twice in their recent history, once by Napoleon, and the other time by Hitler. So, they have that historical experience which warns them to be careful. For example, if your house was robbed twice, you would watch closely for possible robbers, and if someone suspicious is approaching your house, you would take your gun just in case, maybe even fire a warning shot. I believe that is the situation with Russia. They had been attacked twice, and now they see NATO approaching them, so they took their guns. Russia has intervened so far only where the Russian minority was attacked, like in Georgia and Ukraine. I am sure America would intervene too if some Americans were attacked anywhere in the world.

I truly hope you will elect a decent American patriot for the president. But, what if someone else wins? What if Hillary Clinton wins? Her administration would then have NATO infrastructure and forces on Russian borders in control. And you know well that Clinton wouldn't care for the interests of the American people. You, and any other decent American, would surely not attack Russia. But, Clinton's administration wouldn't be made of decent Americans. She is just a puppet of Wall Street's and FED's bankers, and they don't care for both American or Russian or any other people in the world. There the danger lays. We already had the case when the first Clinton attacked Yugoslavia in 1999 breaking all of the NATO principles. What if the second Clinton does the same to Russia?
Bull shit!
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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2015, 07:36:30 AM »
Bull shit!

Ok, that is a fair answer.  :cool:

I was just trying to explain what Russians think, why they see NATO as another Napoleon, or another Hitler. Because I live close to Russia, and Ukraine, etc, and I believe I can understand them better. I don't want to advocate for nobody, Russia was an empire, so they have to bear their own cross. Mine position is always against imperialism of any kind.

You say NATO is a defensive alliance, and that is what it was meant to be, of course. But, in 1999, NATO acted like aggressor to my country of Yugoslavia, when we didn't attack any of the NATO countries, nor have we committed any act of terrorism in any of the NATO nations, and nothing similar to that. So, in 1999, NATO had proven it is not a defensive alliance anymore, but an aggressive one. And nobody can deny that fact. It is not my opinion, it is a fact. So, regarding NATO's aggressive act on Yugoslavia in 1999, any country in the world should be beware of NATO after that. Of course, the ones to be blamed are leftists like Blair and Clinton, but whoever runs NATO countries should follow NATO policies, and we have seen NATO policies were broken, and nobody was punished for that.
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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2015, 08:48:38 AM »
Ok, that is a fair answer.  :cool:

I was just trying to explain what Russians think, why they see NATO as another Napoleon, or another Hitler. Because I live close to Russia, and Ukraine, etc, and I believe I can understand them better. I don't want to advocate for nobody, Russia was an empire, so they have to bear their own cross. Mine position is always against imperialism of any kind.

You say NATO is a defensive alliance, and that is what it was meant to be, of course. But, in 1999, NATO acted like aggressor to my country of Yugoslavia, when we didn't attack any of the NATO countries, nor have we committed any act of terrorism in any of the NATO nations, and nothing similar to that. So, in 1999, NATO had proven it is not a defensive alliance anymore, but an aggressive one. And nobody can deny that fact. It is not my opinion, it is a fact. So, regarding NATO's aggressive act on Yugoslavia in 1999, any country in the world should be beware of NATO after that. Of course, the ones to be blamed are leftists like Blair and Clinton, but whoever runs NATO countries should follow NATO policies, and we have seen NATO policies were broken, and nobody was punished for that.
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No it wasn't fair at all, but I didn't feel like expanding at the moment. :biggrin:

You're right about NATO attacking, but in all fairness, it was Klinton, a known Marxist supporter and apparently a Muscum apologist, so it really wasn't the US, it was a Marxist against Christians.

Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons on the promise that NATO would protect them from Russia, a promise we broke, so they should be given back their weapons in all fairness since Russia is now the aggressor.
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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2015, 01:06:53 PM »
Ok, that is a fair answer.  :cool:

I was just trying to explain what Russians think, why they see NATO as another Napoleon, or another Hitler. Because I live close to Russia, and Ukraine, etc, and I believe I can understand them better. I don't want to advocate for nobody, Russia was an empire, so they have to bear their own cross. Mine position is always against imperialism of any kind.

You say NATO is a defensive alliance, and that is what it was meant to be, of course. But, in 1999, NATO acted like aggressor to my country of Yugoslavia, when we didn't attack any of the NATO countries, nor have we committed any act of terrorism in any of the NATO nations, and nothing similar to that. So, in 1999, NATO had proven it is not a defensive alliance anymore, but an aggressive one. And nobody can deny that fact. It is not my opinion, it is a fact. So, regarding NATO's aggressive act on Yugoslavia in 1999, any country in the world should be beware of NATO after that. Of course, the ones to be blamed are leftists like Blair and Clinton, but whoever runs NATO countries should follow NATO policies, and we have seen NATO policies were broken, and nobody was punished for that.

You make a good point concerning NATO's involvement in the Balkans in 1999. As Solar pointed out, this was primarily a Clinton scheme and at that point the USA was a leader so the other countries fell into place. It was also pre 9/11 so the American people actually yawned about this activity as a threat from radical Islam was not on most folks radar. We, as Americans, were hoodwinked. However, the history of NATO is defensive.
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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2015, 07:42:49 AM »
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No it wasn't fair at all, but I didn't feel like expanding at the moment. :biggrin:

That is why I love the American temper. :cool:

Yes, both Russia and NATO had agreed to protect the sovereignty of Ukraine if it transfers its nuclear weapons to Russia. Now, we see both Russia and NATO are screwing Ukraine. And unfortunately, I must agree Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine now, since it took Crimea. To be honest, I have had much higher expectations from Vladimir Putin, I believed he was much smarter. But, you can't expect a wisdom from a communist, apparently. It seems that whatever happens, the force is his main solution to the problem. No diplomatic skills whatsoever. He will be easily driven into any war. He had no reasons to take Crimea, with that act he had ruined Russian relationships with Ukraine for decades. If Ukraine tries to take Crimea back, Russia will heavily respond, NATO will come to help Ukraine, and here we have the war between Russia and NATO. It's easy like that.

If we want to be pessimistic, we can predict three major global conflicts, in a matter of years. Islamic State will try to attack and destroy Israel. NATO and Russia will go to war against each other in Ukraine. And Muslim illegal immigrants will set Europe on fire.
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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2015, 09:37:13 AM »
That is why I love the American temper. :cool:

Yes, both Russia and NATO had agreed to protect the sovereignty of Ukraine if it transfers its nuclear weapons to Russia. Now, we see both Russia and NATO are screwing Ukraine. And unfortunately, I must agree Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine now, since it took Crimea. To be honest, I have had much higher expectations from Vladimir Putin, I believed he was much smarter. But, you can't expect a wisdom from a communist, apparently. It seems that whatever happens, the force is his main solution to the problem. No diplomatic skills whatsoever. He will be easily driven into any war. He had no reasons to take Crimea, with that act he had ruined Russian relationships with Ukraine for decades. If Ukraine tries to take Crimea back, Russia will heavily respond, NATO will come to help Ukraine, and here we have the war between Russia and NATO. It's easy like that.

If we want to be pessimistic, we can predict three major global conflicts, in a matter of years. Islamic State will try to attack and destroy Israel. NATO and Russia will go to war against each other in Ukraine. And Muslim illegal immigrants will set Europe on fire.
It's why, when the US sneezes, the rest of the world contracts pneumonia.
We have no leadership in the WH, a stabilizing force in the world, what we have is a Marxist intentionally creating imbalance, chaos and all around discourse, intentionally.

Watch for things to change dramatically in 2017, when real leadership returns to the WH.
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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2015, 10:55:12 AM »
Then you need to define threat, because normal people translate threat as one of a physical nature.
Are you saying the US is physically threatening Russia?

What would be the purpose? We killed of the USSR and never fired a single shot, and if we really wanted to, we could easily cripple Russia into collapse, but we don't, because most Americans harbor no ill will towards Russia, Hell, many of us respect Russians, we even let them immigrate here.

Show me proof that Russia is being threatened. Personally, I think you're on par with our foolish ignorant and gullible libs, you only believe the party line.
I wonder how much of this is about preserving Russia's ability to maintain, and control it's nuclear weapons.
There have been a few stories in the recent past, where we ourselves have had issues with these weapons systems. Particularly older one's, and well if WE have had issues, you know Russia is.
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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2015, 11:41:02 AM »
That is why I love the American temper. :cool:

Yes, both Russia and NATO had agreed to protect the sovereignty of Ukraine if it transfers its nuclear weapons to Russia. Now, we see both Russia and NATO are screwing Ukraine. And unfortunately, I must agree Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine now, since it took Crimea. To be honest, I have had much higher expectations from Vladimir Putin, I believed he was much smarter. But, you can't expect a wisdom from a communist, apparently. It seems that whatever happens, the force is his main solution to the problem. No diplomatic skills whatsoever. He will be easily driven into any war. He had no reasons to take Crimea, with that act he had ruined Russian relationships with Ukraine for decades. If Ukraine tries to take Crimea back, Russia will heavily respond, NATO will come to help Ukraine, and here we have the war between Russia and NATO. It's easy like that.

If we want to be pessimistic, we can predict three major global conflicts, in a matter of years. Islamic State will try to attack and destroy Israel. NATO and Russia will go to war against each other in Ukraine. And Muslim illegal immigrants will set Europe on fire.

In my view Putin is on the edge of irrationality concerning his alliance with Iran. Radical Islam is just as much an enemy of Russia as it is the USA and the West. I use the term irrational as it seems his desire to reconstruct the old SU has negatively influenced his judgement conerning radical Islam and their hatred of Russia.
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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2015, 11:46:17 AM »
To be honest, I have had much higher expectations from Vladimir Putin, I believed he was much smarter. But, you can't expect a wisdom from a communist, apparently.
First, Putin is still much smarter then his counterparts in the West. Second, Crimea is and was russian land, and only by the idiocy of Khruschev became part of Ukrainian soviet republic. Third, population of Crimea by overwhelming majority voted for joining to Russia (Kosovo!) after right wing nationalists seized power in Kiev. Fourth, you can expect wisdom from communists, just remember Lenin and Stalin - you like them or not, but you can not call them stupid.
 And last, Putin is not a communist, for sure.

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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2015, 12:54:27 AM »
In my view Putin is on the edge of irrationality concerning his alliance with Iran. Radical Islam is just as much an enemy of Russia as it is the USA and the West. I use the term irrational as it seems his desire to reconstruct the old SU has negatively influenced his judgement conerning radical Islam and their hatred of Russia.

Putin believes he can keep Russian Muslims at peace with the Russians, and he is doing that job fine at the moment. But, you never know what the future will bring. There are 2 million Muslims in Moscow, who make about 20% of it's citizens, which is just terrifying. What if these 2 million Moscow Muslims decide to rebel? There will be rivers of blood running the Moscow streets. It is a huge blackmail to Russia.

First, Putin is still much smarter then his counterparts in the West. Second, Crimea is and was russian land, and only by the idiocy of Khruschev became part of Ukrainian soviet republic. Third, population of Crimea by overwhelming majority voted for joining to Russia (Kosovo!) after right wing nationalists seized power in Kiev. Fourth, you can expect wisdom from communists, just remember Lenin and Stalin - you like them or not, but you can not call them stupid.
 And last, Putin is not a communist, for sure.

Putin is definitely much smarter than Obama. But, is he smart enough? I believe taking Crimea was a huge mistake. Putin has just created a new hot spot, a new source for crisis. It's true that Crimea was originally part of the Russian SFSR, and that Khrushchev, who was Ukrainian, had simply gifted Crimea to Ukraine. But, this was not the right time for solving that issue. And, with comparing Crimea to Kosovo, Putin has slapped us into face. He basically said that the separation of Kosovo was legal just as the separation of Crimea was legal. But we strongly stand at the position that Kosovo separation was illegal. Russia has screwed us again, and now Putin wants me to support him. I mean, I will surely not support Ukrainians, who are mostly pro-EU liberal scum, with some fascists, but how can Russia expect support from me, and to screw me at the same time? There are some international laws to be respected, as well as the constitutions of the sovereign countries.

I have some respect for Stalin, although he was a mass murderer, he was at least a Russian nationalist, and eventually a counter-revolutionary, he had wiped out Leninists and Trotskyists. But Lenin, come on. The worst anti-Russian, and anti-human swine of all times, alongside with Trotsky. They were surely not stupid, they knew exactly how to destroy Russia in the smartest way. Putin puzzles me, whether he's a conservative disguised as a communist, or a communist disguised as a conservative. He is mixing communism, patriotism, and Christianity all together, which looks like a mess.
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Re: "Army 2015"
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2015, 09:36:47 AM »
http://sputniknews.com/us/20150817/1025823354.html

US General says Obama has destroyed US Army.

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« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2015, 10:19:45 AM »
http://sputniknews.com/us/20150817/1025823354.html

US General says Obama has destroyed US Army.
Can't Court Martial him, but he can expect an audit for telling the truth :cursing:.
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