I've never seen it before and thought some might be interested in it.
Education For Death - Disney WWII Propaganda Cartoon

Very interesting. In the rabbit scenario, our Nation has evolved into a citizenry of rabbits, the left has embraced the weak, the immoral, degenerates and PC is the law of the land, while strength and honesty is seen as weak.

WTF happened?

We won.   *We grew complacent in our power.*

Interesting you focus on the classroom scene too.  I find that one to be one of the more telling pieces.  It foreshadows the liberalism to come.  Perhaps these liberal values gained momentum from works like this, or perhaps the very idea of *modern*  individuality and liberalism came directly from the atrocities of the Third Reich and the Gulag of Russia. . .

When I commented in another thread about questioning my ideas and the place of individualism versus collective thinking, this is what I mean.  Over individuality results in liberalism (homosexuals are simply over-extended individualists.  Question their capacity to think and do for themselves (ironically they believe they have no choice in the matter of being gay  ) and watch the slander and hate roll off their tongue).  Some collectivism is almost required if we are to curb this atrocity.

So where does the collectivisms become dangerous?  When does individuality become so extreme it backtracks into communism or socialism?  Are the Liberals really individuals to begins with, or are they lied to and brainwashed?

Make no mistake; the silence I think is not that the question was silly, stupid, or obvious.  Rather I think it is quite deep, and much philosophical thought must be put into it.

Looking back in time, Disney was family hour where these things were discussed and interpreted by an entire generation that battled communism.
Today people don't understand or even see the threat it still possesses and continue to give the Govt more and more power over our lives, and these idiots use PC as if it were some kind of law.

I really enjoy these 1940's anti national socialism and the 1950's anti communist cartoons. Many people dislike/hate Disney because he was hard on his employees for demaning perfection and allegations of racism. Frankly I don't care if he was racist because his products isnt racist, and demanding perfection from employees in an art industry should be the normal policy. Today art is just shit.

I really like this one, not disney but good old school cartoon.

Make Mine Freedom (1948 Cartoon Foretells the Future)

The leftists are masters of misinformation.

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/why-walt-disney-is-a-jew-hating-hitler-loving-racist-37185.html

I think the cartoon featured in the OP is GREAT!!! It's an example of Disney at its best, and an excellent period piece. Of course, like all propaganda -- and it is 100% propaganda -- it is essentially false and based on fear rather than fact.

In their short existence, the Nazis did one thing -- exactly one thing -- that scared the living shit out of just about everybody. They aggressively, almost frantically, built a military machine designed to conquer the continent on which it was based. And once they had done that, they did what no government we've had for nearly seventy years has done -- they pulled the trigger. Hitler's military literally conquered or otherwise eliminated every enemy he had in Europe by early 1941, just eight years after he came to power.

But four years later, thanks to some miserably awful decisions, Hitler was dead and Germany was in ruins. Just four years! The "thousand-year reich" lasted a bit over 12 years.

While the cartoon depicts a relentless indoctrination of Germans into the "Nazi way," this in fact did not happen on a large scale. The time factor alone is enough to prove that it couldn't have happened anything like the cartoon suggests. When Germany went to war in September 1939, the Nazis had been in power for just 6 1/2 years. There's a physical limit to the number of generations you can indoctrinate in 6 1/2 years -- none.

The Hitler Youth, for example, dates back to 1922, but until the Nazis assumed power in 1933, it was never a meaningful factor in the raising of German children. On the eve of Hitler's ascent to the chancellorship, the HY had just over 100,000 members (up from a mere 25,000 just three years prior), not one of whom could possibly have been exposed to Nazi ideology for more than a maximum of 11 years.

The Nazis had a lot of ambitious ideas about indoctrinating the German people, but they actually accomplished very little in that regard.

Quote from: pisskop on March 01, 2013, 12:29:36 PM
I've never seen it before and thought some might be interested in it.
Education For Death - Disney WWII Propaganda Cartoon

Good find. May I suggest this one as a suitable companion piece? It's how paying taxes is a very good thing. (Death by other means.)

Donald Duck - (Banned) The Spirit Of '43

Quote from: TboneAgain on March 20, 2013, 04:14:07 PM
I think the cartoon featured in the OP is GREAT!!! It's an example of Disney at its best, and an excellent period piece. Of course, like all propaganda -- and it is 100% propaganda -- it is essentially false and based on fear rather than fact.

In their short existence, the Nazis did one thing -- exactly one thing -- that scared the living shit out of just about everybody. They aggressively, almost frantically, built a military machine designed to conquer the continent on which it was based. And once they had done that, they did what no government we've had for nearly seventy years has done -- they pulled the trigger. Hitler's military literally conquered or otherwise eliminated every enemy he had in Europe by early 1941, just eight years after he came to power.

But four years later, thanks to some miserably awful decisions, Hitler was dead and Germany was in ruins. Just four years! The "thousand-year reich" lasted a bit over 12 years.

While the cartoon depicts a relentless indoctrination of Germans into the "Nazi way," this in fact did not happen on a large scale. The time factor alone is enough to prove that it couldn't have happened anything like the cartoon suggests. When Germany went to war in September 1939, the Nazis had been in power for just 6 1/2 years. There's a physical limit to the number of generations you can indoctrinate in 6 1/2 years -- none.

The Hitler Youth, for example, dates back to 1922, but until the Nazis assumed power in 1933, it was never a meaningful factor in the raising of German children. On the eve of Hitler's ascent to the chancellorship, the HY had just over 100,000 members (up from a mere 25,000 just three years prior), not one of whom could possibly have been exposed to Nazi ideology for more than a maximum of 11 years.

The Nazis had a lot of ambitious ideas about indoctrinating the German people, but they actually accomplished very little in that regard.

Not sure if you are a revisionist or just want to point a simple fact about indoctrination.

The National Socialist wanted to transform every sphere of public life into marxist environmentalism. The military machine Hitler built was just a means to an end, if you actually read Himmlers plan then they wanted to dismantle the weapon industry after the war and indoctrinate every german into NSDAP. This cartoon is a perfect description of the kind of state the NSDAP wanted to build, the Hitler Yotuh was to be the framework for the entire german education system. The nazis plan was similar to Pol Pot, because they were environmentalist they sought to destroy all forms of urban life and force people out of the cities and into the new lebensraum where the serfs would be true german agrarians again and begin race purification through collective breeding programs. The SS even had "baby factories" too speed up race purification.

So the nazis did more than just build a warmachine and start a new conflict, they built concentration camps for ethnicly undeseriables, sterilization campaigns, built an all powerfull secret service within the SS called the Gestapo which was based on the USSR NKVD, taught children to rat on their parents if they had anti national socialist views, transformed capitalism into socialist corporatism, terror regimes in occupied countries.

In conclusion the argument that Gøhring made during the trials that they were just trying to do what other empires had done does not hold up. And even though this cartoon is not representative of all german children under NSDAP regime, it is certainly true of the ones that did go through hitler Youth and is true a prediction of NSDAP goal for society.

My great grandfather was tortured by the nazis and norway had hunger problems for a decade after the occupation and the nazis also gave us the one party socialist state for over 60 years. NSDAP was socialist scum same as the bolsheviks, Germany has many things to answer for. Though I don't blame modern day germans who are not nazis.

Quote from: Mountainshield on March 27, 2013, 05:27:51 AM
Not sure if you are a revisionist or just want to point a simple fact about indoctrination.

The National Socialist wanted to transform every sphere of public life into marxist environmentalism. The military machine Hitler built was just a means to an end, if you actually read Himmlers plan then they wanted to dismantle the weapon industry after the war and indoctrinate every german into NSDAP. This cartoon is a perfect description of the kind of state the NSDAP wanted to build, the Hitler Yotuh was to be the framework for the entire german education system. The nazis plan was similar to Pol Pot, because they were environmentalist they sought to destroy all forms of urban life and force people out of the cities and into the new lebensraum where the serfs would be true german agrarians again and begin race purification through collective breeding programs. The SS even had "baby factories" too speed up race purification.

So the nazis did more than just build a warmachine and start a new conflict, they built concentration camps for ethnicly undeseriables, sterilization campaigns, built an all powerfull secret service within the SS called the Gestapo which was based on the USSR NKVD, taught children to rat on their parents if they had anti national socialist views, transformed capitalism into socialist corporatism, terror regimes in occupied countries.

In conclusion the argument that Gøhring made during the trials that they were just trying to do what other empires had done does not hold up. And even though this cartoon is not representative of all german children under NSDAP regime, it is certainly true of the ones that did go through hitler Youth and is true a prediction of NSDAP goal for society.

Revisionist? I don't think you read my post very carefully.

My point was that the cartoon was and is propaganda and demonstrably false. I agree for the most part with your assessment of Nazi intentions, but that doesn't change the fact that the Nazi party held power in Germany for just twelve years. No matter what their intentions, their accomplishments were far more limited than many would claim, simply because they were actually in power for a very short time. Talk about raising generations of Nordic supermen is just that -- talk. It didn't happen, and couldn't possibly in twelve years.

Quote from: TboneAgain on March 29, 2013, 01:19:20 AM
Revisionist? I don't think you read my post very carefully.

My point was that the cartoon was and is propaganda and demonstrably false. I agree for the most part with your assessment of Nazi intentions, but that doesn't change the fact that the Nazi party held power in Germany for just twelve years. No matter what their intentions, their accomplishments were far more limited than many would claim, simply because they were actually in power for a very short time. Talk about raising generations of Nordic supermen is just that -- talk. It didn't happen, and couldn't possibly in twelve years.

I agree, and sorry for falsely interpreting your argument.

Quote from: TboneAgain on March 29, 2013, 01:19:20 AM
Revisionist? I don't think you read my post very carefully.

My point was that the cartoon was and is propaganda and demonstrably false. I agree for the most part with your assessment of Nazi intentions, but that doesn't change the fact that the Nazi party held power in Germany for just twelve years. No matter what their intentions, their accomplishments were far more limited than many would claim, simply because they were actually in power for a very short time. Talk about raising generations of Nordic supermen is just that -- talk. It didn't happen, and couldn't possibly in twelve years.

I have to disagree as well T, 12 years of one party rule can have a devastating effect on any Nation, look at the US under just four years of Husein.

Quote from: Solar on March 29, 2013, 03:45:44 AM
I have to disagree as well T, 12 years of one party rule can have a devastating effect on any Nation, look at the US under just four years of Husein.

Damn good point, and you may have opened a BUCKET of worms, but perhaps not in the way you think...

My primary comment on the propaganda cartoon was that it is/was just that -- propaganda. Nightmares about legions of brainwashed Nazi wunderkinder are just that -- nightmares. Those legions didn't in fact materialize simply because there was not time for it to happen, no matter how hard Hitler and Co. tried.

Yes, twelve years (or even less) of one-party rule can be devastating, and I agree that the Kenyan's time has done harm that will take perhaps a generation to measure. But I don't lay the blame at his doorstep completely, nor even at his party's threshold. In the United States, the kind of scary indoctrination depicted has been happening for generations now, going back at least to the 1960s, and dating back perhaps to FDR, perhaps even back to Wilson.

Technically, the US has not recently undergone one-party rule for a twelve-year stretch -- but that is true only if you consider nothing but the presidency and the legislature. Consider that 95% or more of the government apparatus in this country is neither executive, legislative, nor judicial. It is administrative. Right from the local level all the way to the top, the elected -- those responsible to voters -- are the few, and the career administrative types, who never stand for election, are the many.

When you go to the BMV to renew your car/truck registration or your driver's license, for instance, every person you see behind the counter is a part of the government, a civil servant receiving a government paycheck and government benefits. But NO ONE you see behind the counter is an elected or appointed official. The IRS can audit your tax return every year until you die, and hound you out of your house and take every dime you ever had, and from start to finish, you will never once speak to an elected or appointed office-holder. It's the exact same story at the Social Security office, the Child Support Enforcement Agency, the local EPA office, the Fish & Wildlife outpost, the TSA gauntlet at the airport, and on and on. At every level, the government is up your ass every day you draw breath, and yet your chances of encountering somebody you actually voted for are mighty slim.

We are chest-deep in a tide of bureaucrat rule. Republicans and Democrats come and go, and sometimes really bad actors (the Kenyan, for example) hog center stage. But the bureaucrats outlast them, outlive them, and inexorably overrule them. The career bureaucrat class is the true bane of this nation.

See? Worms! 

This is the biggest problem in Norway as well.

After the occupational government party "Nasjonal Samling (National Coalition)" under Quisling was defeated we had the Workers Party rule for over 70 years. Only two brief periods of Conservative party in government.

Like you said

Quotethe bureaucrats outlast them, outlive them, and inexorably overrule them.

The Socialist know this.

Before the state structure in Norway was based on "embetsmannstaten" this state structure was based on professional state bureucracy on which Max Weber built his theory on bureaucracy. This is where the statesmen were required to be scientific, impartial too politics, follow rules and regulation and never make decision based on personal preference.

In the 1950's the Socialist Workers Party met resistance too radical policy changes from these bureaucrats so they changed the state structure from "embetsmannstaten" (statesman system) too "redskapsbyråkratiet" (State tool Bureaucracy) and in this new system is designed to implement new regulations, instead of enforce old traditional regulations. The Worker Party in power fired all the workers from the traditional government who was mainly highly educated lawyers, and changed them with low educated party members. "Redskapsbyråkratiet" or state tool bureaucracy is based on the individuals in the employment of the state instead of proffessional knowledge or education of the individual. For example before it was lawyers who decides cases, now it is party members of socialist worker party, socialist left who base their decision on their personal political preference. This is too make new left regulation enforced quicker and without real rule of law. So they filled the entire state with their own party members, just like the nazis did in 1933.

I think this is what has happened in the US as well, but instead of gov directly placing socialist in state structure, socialist has been infiltrating the state for over 50 years now.