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Title: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 16, 2019, 07:25:09 PM
Since it seems like presenting counter-arguments are considered derailing a thread around here anytime I have a counter argument I will present it in a new thread in The Nut House.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/the-nut-house/james-watson-refuses-to-cuck/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

If the wiki article about the book called the bell curve which racists(or is it racialists) love to quote from and the brainstats are true and accurate then it seems like the asian countries tend more towards having the higher IQs even higher then those from European countries. 

If we're going to go by white racist logic with all of the "white power" bullshit then Asians are the superior race.  It seems like the racists tend to gloss over this part.  Hmmm, I wonder why.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2019, 07:52:49 PM
Since it seems like presenting counter-arguments are considered derailing a thread around here anytime I have a counter argument I will present it in a new thread in The Nut House.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/the-nut-house/james-watson-refuses-to-cuck/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

If the wiki article about the book called the bell curve which racists(or is it racialists) love to quote from and the brainstats are true and accurate then it seems like the asian countries tend more towards having the higher IQs even higher then those from European countries. 

If we're going to go by white racist logic with all of the "white power" bullshit then Asians are the superior race.  It seems like the racists tend to gloss over this part.  Hmmm, I wonder why.
So you're a racist? I have never heard that from any of the white supremacist groups, or are you privy to insider info?
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 16, 2019, 08:06:04 PM
So you're a racist? I have never heard that from any of the white supremacist groups, or are you privy to insider info?

No, not a racist.

It's not insider info if it is out there. 

Point is, if the racists like James Watson is going to promote their bullshit like The Bell Curve the Book as truth then let's promote all of the aspects as truth.  Point is, racists like David Duke and James Watson want to promote one aspect of their truth without promoting the other aspect of the truth. 

Even if they're right that Blacks are the inferior race (which I don't accept to be true) then according to the studies by the scientists and statisticians they love then they have to accept that whites are an inferior race as well (I don't accept this either). 

Point is be consistent with your BS.  Let's not lie by omission. 

Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2019, 08:41:03 PM
No, not a racist.
Then gullible.

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It's not insider info if it is out there.

Then show me where with recent documented proof white supremacists claim Asians are inferior.
I'm in no way defending these knuckle dragging hate mongers, I demand for the reader, proof of your claims.
Most racists just hate, they have no validation for their hate, they are just ignorant bigots.

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Point is, if the racists like James Watson is going to promote their bullshit like The Bell Curve the Book as truth then let's promote all of the aspects as truth.  Point is, racists like David Duke and James Watson want to promote one aspect of their truth without promoting the other aspect of the truth. 
So now you're linking the guy that discovered the double helix in with simple lowlife?
His work is based on stats, sadly, these stats do not include talent, be it physical or even musical, or even emotional, they run on a strict set of values, I do not agree with.

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Even if they're right that Blacks are the inferior race (which I don't accept to be true) then according to the studies by the scientists and statisticians they love then they have to accept that whites are an inferior race as well (I don't accept this either). 
I think using the "Intelligence Quotient" as a ruler is, by itself a lie. I have tested genius level, but I can be the dumbest in many areas of intellect, be it math or linguistics, so I believe measuring IQ with strict standards is akin to measuring ones worth on how much money they've attained. Total BS on every level.
But Watson is a scientist and he uses the strict measure of "IQ", because that is what the scientific community works with.

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Point is be consistent with your BS.  Let's not lie by omission.
Oh, please do explain. I don't mean a damn thesis, I want evidence of your bull shit!
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 16, 2019, 09:32:13 PM

Then show me where with recent documented proof white supremacists claim Asians are inferior.


 :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:

Oh my goodness gracious!  Seriously!  What the living fuck?   You want proof that white supremacists claim Asians are inferior.  I can't even believe I'm even reading this.   Have you not been to KKK websites or sites like storm front.  Have you not even heard any of their speeches about racial purity, white pride, etc?  Have you not even heard of Matt Hale who used to run what was called The World Church of the Creator?  All you have to do is go out there and listen to what they say.

Now, let me give it to you by analytical instead of synthetic.   

And, the root word of supremacist I believe is supreme.  Supreme means to be above something.  A supremacist is a person who believes they're above or greater then something.  A white supremacist believes their race is above and greater then the other races. 

You're pulling my leg right.  You want proof that white supremacists claim Asians are inferior.  I haven't had this much of a laugh in a long time.   Now, do I have to prove that water is wet :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm in no way defending these knuckle dragging hate mongers, I demand for the reader, proof of your claims.

I certainly hope you don't defend these guys.  Again, as for proof.  The proof is in the pudding.  Now, since you demand I prove something that even through the very definition itself says is true I think you ought to be able to prove your collective theory of God and that we come from this "collective."   And, you're the guy who says that all definitions past the 19th century are worthless since they were made by "liberals" including the word computer which means no word or definition can be used past the 19th century.  I thought I was mentally fucked up and I still believe I am but you sir take the cake with some of your delusions and paranoia. 

Most racists just hate, they have no validation for their hate, they are just ignorant bigots.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

So now you're linking the guy that discovered the double helix in with simple lowlife?

What do you think these low lives will do? 

His work is based on stats, sadly, these stats do not include talent, be it physical or even musical, or even emotional, they run on a strict set of values, I do not agree with.

I don't agree with these strict set of values either.  I get the sense that IQ doesn't tell the whole story for the person as well as a group. 


I think using the "Intelligence Quotient" as a ruler is, by itself a lie. I have tested genius level, but I can be the dumbest in many areas of intellect, be it math or linguistics, so I believe measuring IQ with strict standards is akin to measuring ones worth on how much money they've attained. Total BS on every level.


I'm definitely not a genius.  When I took this IQ test in Kindergarten I scored a 78 on it.

http://www.wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html

Acording to this I was Borderline Deficiency.  Probably in the mild retarded range.

But, what is weird is every-time I took this test I scored higher.  When I went on SSDI and they gave this IQ test as part of the series of tests I had to take to be approved for SSDI I scored 98.  The test I took a year ago I scored 108.

But, even with the improvements in IQ I still have significant challenges so much so they impair me in a number of ways.  Worst for me is executive functioning.  Second worse for me is communication issues.  Third is motor coordination issues. <<<Imagine Steve Urkel. 

But Watson is a scientist and he uses the strict measure of "IQ", because that is what the scientific community works with.
Oh, please do explain. I don't mean a damn thesis, I want evidence of your bull shit!

Like I said, proof is in the pudding.  And, again all you have to do is listen to what they say. 
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Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2019, 07:02:12 AM
:ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:

Oh my goodness gracious!  Seriously!  What the living fuck?   You want proof that white supremacists claim Asians are inferior.  I can't even believe I'm even reading this.   Have you not been to KKK websites or sites like storm front.  Have you not even heard any of their speeches about racial purity, white pride, etc?  Have you not even heard of Matt Hale who used to run what was called The World Church of the Creator?  All you have to do is go out there and listen to what they say.

Now, let me give it to you by analytical instead of synthetic.   

And, the root word of supremacist I believe is supreme.  Supreme means to be above something.  A supremacist is a person who believes they're above or greater then something.  A white supremacist believes their race is above and greater then the other races. 

You're pulling my leg right.  You want proof that white supremacists claim Asians are inferior.  I haven't had this much of a laugh in a long time.   Now, do I have to prove that water is wet :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Done looking like a fool yet?

I don't know if it's a comprehension issue or you're just stupid, but there is a reason I said "recent documented proof white supremacists claim Asians are inferior." because to my knowledge, theses hate groups recognize these races intellect, that's not what bothers them, they simply want to be the "Supreme Ruling Race" as in, white "Supremacists".
So cut the Bull Shit cackling and show me your proof, or STFU!

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I certainly hope you don't defend these guys.  Again, as for proof.  The proof is in the pudding.  Now, since you demand I prove something that even through the very definition itself says is true I think you ought to be able to prove your collective theory of God and that we come from this "collective."   And, you're the guy who says that all definitions past the 19th century are worthless since they were made by "liberals" including the word computer which means no word or definition can be used past the 19th century.  I thought I was mentally fucked up and I still believe I am but you sir take the cake with some of your delusions and paranoia. 

And here, I thought you were done showing your ignorance. Obviously not.

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What do you think these low lives will do?
 
Herein lies my issue with the Intelligence Quotient, I believe it is racist, may have been by design, but whatever, it doesn't recognize the law of the jungle type intelligence,, the ability for one to adapt to any given situation, be it survival in a city, or alone on an island, it takes a unique intellect to adapt and survive, literally the measure of ones smarts.
Did the IQ test purposefully ignore the most important aspect of intelligence on purpose, or did these so called "Elites" simply want to make themselves look smarter.
Go to a Mensa meeting, then go to a hate group meeting, I think you'll find many common shared traits between the two.
 

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I don't agree with these strict set of values either.  I get the sense that IQ doesn't tell the whole story for the person as well as a group. 

I'm definitely not a genius.  When I took this IQ test in Kindergarten I scored a 78 on it.

http://www.wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html

Acording to this I was Borderline Deficiency.  Probably in the mild retarded range.
If I'm not mistaken, 78 for a 5 year old is on par with normal in many of the other tests.

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But, what is weird is every-time I took this test I scored higher.  When I went on SSDI and they gave this IQ test as part of the series of tests I had to take to be approved for SSDI I scored 98.  The test I took a year ago I scored 108.

But, even with the improvements in IQ I still have significant challenges so much so they impair me in a number of ways.  Worst for me is executive functioning.  Second worse for me is communication issues.  Third is motor coordination issues. <<<Imagine Steve Urkel. 

Like I said, proof is in the pudding.  And, again all you have to do is listen to what they say.
If you want to believe a test can actually measure your abilities, that's your choice, like I said, I rated high genius, and sure, I'm smart "in certain areas", but I'm also an equal idiot in other areas, so I don't give any credibility to a test that has such a narrow focus on what a certain group of self absorbed assholes decided what would be considered the smartest among us.
Think about that, a group of people that seldom, if ever, left the protected halls of an office, are deciding who has is the smartest using a narrow measure, would never have considered including suitability during catastrophe.
Why? Because they were too stupid to survive on their own beyond their self made world,  and by including jungle skills would have lowered their own IQ scores.
There is no method in their test that can measure ones ability too recognize danger, or how too assess ones ability to recognize a trap has been set for them, say a disturbed area in the earth, or certain branches broken at varying heights.
An IQ test does not even attempt this area of measure, because theses idiots thought man was beyond the need.

These people are, by nature, racists. But whether Watson knowingly shared their belief? He proved using their methods, with his data that his theory was correct. Problem is, the parameters for measure have always been flawed in favor of elite racists.

What if Asians had originally set the parameters for IQ? This race of people do not use the written word, they use pictures to write, English speaking people would be at a disadvantage from the start.
Point is, the IQ test is but one tiny tool where judging ones intellect is concerned, maybe a 10% measure of credibility should be applied when using it as a measure.

I'm not going to search it out, but I bet if you were to search "IQ test racially biased", or racist, you'll find a lot of work has been done on the subject.

Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 17, 2019, 09:21:38 AM
Done looking like a fool yet?

I don't know if it's a comprehension issue or you're just stupid, but there is a reason I said "recent documented proof white supremacists claim Asians are inferior." because to my knowledge, theses hate groups recognize these races intellect, that's not what bothers them, they simply want to be the "Supreme Ruling Race" as in, white "Supremacists".
So cut the Bull Shit cackling and show me your proof, or STFU!


I do have comprehension issues.  It's one of the reasons I have difficulty understanding the employer's personality test questions sometimes and other spoken and written communications and processing problems.  Remember, you're dealing with a disabled person.

Anyway, You said they do recognize these races intellect.  I'm going to see if I can try to confirm this. If you're right then I learned something new. 

It is very interesting how you think vs how I think on ignorance and foolish.  I would rather say something dumb (not anything that'd get me hurt or arrested), called out on it, look dumb and then become a bit more smart and wise from it. 

You seem to believe "Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt"

I have never understood this.  If one remains silent, doesn't say or ask stupid shit how does one learn anything.  If one stays silent then I only have my thoughts and understanding of things.  I only have my own point of view.  Sometimes, the other person can give me another way to think about something.  Do you understand.

And here, I thought you were done showing your ignorance. Obviously not.

see above

 
Herein lies my issue with the Intelligence Quotient, I believe it is racist, may have been by design, but whatever, it doesn't recognize the law of the jungle type intelligence,, the ability for one to adapt to any given situation, be it survival in a city, or alone on an island, it takes a unique intellect to adapt and survive, literally the measure of ones smarts.

Interesting way to see it!  I do wonder if I could survive on a deserted island on my own.  Maybe learn certain basics 1st.  It would test to see if it was my disabilities were hindering me, society was or if it was my own fears.

Did the IQ test purposefully ignore the most important aspect of intelligence on purpose, or did these so called "Elites" simply want to make themselves look smarter.

I don't know.  I would have to look it up.

Go to a Mensa meeting, then go to a hate group meeting, I think you'll find many common shared traits between the two.

If either let me in.
 

If I'm not mistaken, 78 for a 5 year old is on par with normal in many of the other tests.

Maybe it is. 

If you want to believe a test can actually measure your abilities, that's your choice, like I said, I rated high genius, and sure, I'm smart "in certain areas", but I'm also an equal idiot in other areas, so I don't give any credibility to a test that has such a narrow focus on what a certain group of self absorbed assholes decided what would be considered the smartest among us.

Same with me.  Not a genius though.

Think about that, a group of people that seldom, if ever, left the protected halls of an office, are deciding who has is the smartest using a narrow measure, would never have considered including suitability during catastrophe.

Why? Because they were too stupid to survive on their own beyond their self made world,  and by including jungle skills would have lowered their own IQ scores.

I will say in the back of my house I live at we had a brush fire b/c the stupid building company who owned the land back of us ran out of money.  One of my neighbors banged my door to evacuate.  I got out quick and saw the problem.  The fire was burning the forest behind our houses.  My neighbor's neighbor had a wooden fence.    I realized that I had to contain this fire to the woods until the fire department showed up b/c if I did not it would burn that person's fence, and then his house and then our house by how the fire was traveling. 

I realized I had to wet the grass and soak the neighbor's wooden fence and I and this other lady was to keep the fire contained until the fire department showed. 

I will say that I was completely shocked I even was able to this and everything fell into place as to what I had to do.   I don't know how to describe it to you.  It was like my complete intellect turned off and something took over like I was possessed.  I don't know. 


There is no method in their test that can measure ones ability too recognize danger, or how too assess ones ability to recognize a trap has been set for them, say a disturbed area in the earth, or certain branches broken at varying heights.


I never thought about this.  This is food for thought.

An IQ test does not even attempt this area of measure, because theses idiots thought man was beyond the need.

Man is not beyond this need.


These people are, by nature, racists. But whether Watson knowingly shared their belief? He proved using their methods, with his data that his theory was correct. Problem is, the parameters for measure have always been flawed in favor of elite racists.


I see what you're saying.  I never thought of it.

What if Asians had originally set the parameters for IQ? This race of people do not use the written word, they use pictures to write, English speaking people would be at a disadvantage from the start.


When I think about that, that is so true my friend. 

Point is, the IQ test is but one tiny tool where judging ones intellect is concerned, maybe a 10% measure of credibility should be applied when using it as a measure.

I see what you're saying and again I never thought about that.

I'm not going to search it out, but I bet if you were to search "IQ test racially biased", or racist, you'll find a lot of work has been done on the subject.

When I'm in the mood, I think I will take you up on that.

All of what you've given me is food for thought.   I love that. 

It might seem stupid or foolish to you but if I say something foolish to others sometimes those others will do like you did and call me a moron and show me where I'm wrong.  What I do is I look at the content of what they say and either I say "holy shit I am a moron in this case" or "no, I believe I'm correct on this."  In order to get a bulls-eye on a dart board don't you have to throw the dart?  Do you get where I'm coming from or do you see it as ok this guy is a morn and makes no sense?
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2019, 09:51:08 AM
I do have comprehension issues.  It's one of the reasons I have difficulty understanding the employer's personality test questions sometimes and other spoken and written communications and processing problems.  Remember, you're dealing with a disabled person.

Anyway, You said they do recognize these races intellect.  I'm going to see if I can try to confirm this. If you're right then I learned something new. 

It is very interesting how you think vs how I think on ignorance and foolish.  I would rather say something dumb (not anything that'd get me hurt or arrested), called out on it, look dumb and then become a bit more smart and wise from it. 

You seem to believe "Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt"

I have never understood this.  If one remains silent, doesn't say or ask stupid shit how does one learn anything.  If one stays silent then I only have my thoughts and understanding of things.  I only have my own point of view.  Sometimes, the other person can give me another way to think about something.  Do you understand.

see above

Interesting way to see it!  I do wonder if I could survive on a deserted island on my own.  Maybe learn certain basics 1st.  It would test to see if it was my disabilities were hindering me, society was or if it was my own fears.

I don't know.  I would have to look it up.
If either let me in.
 

Maybe it is. 

Same with me.  Not a genius though.

I will say in the back of my house I live at we had a brush fire b/c the stupid building company who owned the land back of us ran out of money.  One of my neighbors banged my door to evacuate.  I got out quick and saw the problem.  The fire was burning the forest behind our houses.  My neighbor's neighbor had a wooden fence.    I realized that I had to contain this fire to the woods until the fire department showed up b/c if I did not it would burn that person's fence, and then his house and then our house by how the fire was traveling. 

I realized I had to wet the grass and soak the neighbor's wooden fence and I and this other lady was to keep the fire contained until the fire department showed. 

I will say that I was completely shocked I even was able to this and everything fell into place as to what I had to do.   I don't know how to describe it to you.  It was like my complete intellect turned off and something took over like I was possessed.  I don't know. 

I never thought about this.  This is food for thought.

Man is not beyond this need.

I see what you're saying.  I never thought of it.

When I think about that, that is so true my friend. 

I see what you're saying and again I never thought about that.

When I'm in the mood, I think I will take you up on that.

All of what you've given me is food for thought.   I love that. 

It might seem stupid or foolish to you but if I say something foolish to others sometimes those others will do like you did and call me a moron and show me where I'm wrong.  What I do is I look at the content of what they say and either I say "holy shit I am a moron in this case" or "no, I believe I'm correct on this."  In order to get a bulls-eye on a dart board don't you have to throw the dart?  Do you get where I'm coming from or do you see it as ok this guy is a morn and makes no sense?
There is no such thing as a stupid question. However, asking the question a dozen different ways, hoping for a different answer, is, stupid.
Always question everything, just word your question as genuine and not a conclusion.

The only thing I've observed about you is, you tend to take an extremely myopic approach to issues, while missing the bigger picture. Try not to zero in on a single point, stop and take in everything and try to come to a conclusion before you get lost in the weeds.
Your ability to make a split second decision is proof you over think everything, the fact that you acted on your own, proves you have the ability to think independent of analysis proves you can function.

Work with that, go with your first thought, stop there, it was probably the right conclusion.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 17, 2019, 11:43:24 AM
There is no such thing as a stupid question. However, asking the question a dozen different ways, hoping for a different answer, is, stupid.
Always question everything, just word your question as genuine and not a conclusion.

May I have a quick and dirty example as to what to avoid when asking something in the future please?

The only thing I've observed about you is, you tend to take an extremely myopic approach to issues, while missing the bigger picture. Try not to zero in on a single point, stop and take in everything and try to come to a conclusion before you get lost in the weeds.

Are you saying take one point in relation to other points?

Your ability to make a split second decision is proof you over think everything, the fact that you acted on your own, proves you have the ability to think independent of analysis proves you can function.

Work with that, go with your first thought, stop there, it was probably the right conclusion.

I'll do it.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2019, 12:14:13 PM
May I have a quick and dirty example as to what to avoid when asking something in the future please?
Be genuine when asking, that's all, don't make it condescending, especially if you''re not certain you are right.

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Are you saying take one point in relation to other points?

If you see someone entering a store with a gun in their hand with a mask on, do you think it's a late April fools day joke, or are they up to no good?
Your gut instinct is usually the correct one, but the more you over think it, the more time lost.
Try working with your very first impression on any situation, go with that and stop dwelling on whether there might be something you missed. Because more than likely, your instincts were right the first time.

Part of your issue is, you've had it pounded into you that you are mentally disabled. Drop that shit, we're all mentally disabled to some point, no one is normal, that's what makes us human, otherwise we'd be robots, like bees in a hive.

Want proof? Just look a Hollyweird, these people play pretend for as living, and the media puts them on a pedestal. Take Gwyneth Paltrow, the bimbo actually chastised people for using more than two squares of toilet paper, problem is, she thought everyone owned a heated Bidet and washed their ass with water.
Truth is, she and many of her ilk are complete idiots that couldn't get through life if someone didn't hand them a script. NO ONE IS NORMAL!!! There is no such thing as normal in this day and age.




Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 19, 2019, 09:15:21 PM
Be genuine when asking, that's all, don't make it condescending, especially if you''re not certain you are right.

If you see someone entering a store with a gun in their hand with a mask on, do you think it's a late April fools day joke, or are they up to no good?
Your gut instinct is usually the correct one, but the more you over think it, the more time lost.
Try working with your very first impression on any situation, go with that and stop dwelling on whether there might be something you missed. Because more than likely, your instincts were right the first time.

Part of your issue is, you've had it pounded into you that you are mentally disabled. Drop that shit, we're all mentally disabled to some point, no one is normal, that's what makes us human, otherwise we'd be robots, like bees in a hive.

Want proof? Just look a Hollyweird, these people play pretend for as living, and the media puts them on a pedestal. Take Gwyneth Paltrow, the bimbo actually chastised people for using more than two squares of toilet paper, problem is, she thought everyone owned a heated Bidet and washed their ass with water.
Truth is, she and many of her ilk are complete idiots that couldn't get through life if someone didn't hand them a script. NO ONE IS NORMAL!!! There is no such thing as normal in this day and age.

Solar, will you please do me a favor and take a look at this whenever you can?  If you truthfully believe that Part of my issue is, "I've had it pounded into me that I'm are mentally disabled. And, I should Drop that shit, we're all mentally disabled to some point, no one is normal, that's what makes us human, otherwise we'd be robots, like bees in a hive" then would you as an owner of your business or a selecting official hire this guy for any position including janitor in your company?  Why or why not?


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO9MEgyxHmXmJXDYCj7W4cA/videos
http://autism.wikia.com/wiki/Christian_Chandler
https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Main_Page
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 20, 2019, 05:07:17 AM
Solar, will you please do me a favor and take a look at this whenever you can?  If you truthfully believe that Part of my issue is, "I've had it pounded into me that I'm are mentally disabled. And, I should Drop that shit, we're all mentally disabled to some point, no one is normal, that's what makes us human, otherwise we'd be robots, like bees in a hive" then would you as an owner of your business or a selecting official hire this guy for any position including janitor in your company?  Why or why not?


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO9MEgyxHmXmJXDYCj7W4cA/videos
http://autism.wikia.com/wiki/Christian_Chandler
https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Main_Page
I'm not sure what his personal life has to do with work, as long as they're kept separate and doesn't interfere with the job he is hired to do.
More background going in would have been helpful, I skimmed a few videos, all I saw was a pretty much normal lonely guy foolishly putting himself on the web without filters.
But in all honesty, I've hired guys like him, everyone has a unique set of skills, but honesty above all is the most important because you can train almost anyone to do entry level tasks.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 20, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
I'm not sure what his personal life has to do with work, as long as they're kept separate and doesn't interfere with the job he is hired to do.
More background going in would have been helpful, I skimmed a few videos, all I saw was a pretty much normal lonely guy foolishly putting himself on the web without filters.
But in all honesty, I've hired guys like him, everyone has a unique set of skills, but honesty above all is the most important because you can train almost anyone to do entry level tasks.

If you're telling the truth I have to say you're an awesome kick ass guy for that.  If you're telling the truth we need guys like you to give those on the spectrum like him and myself the ability to prove we can do shit and do it well.  Maybe better then our non-disabled counter parts.  Added bonus I don't like PC so employers won't have to worry about that with me.

Aside: 
Truth is PC has infected our autism community and here are two examples.  1.  Banning the word retarded.  2.  This whole identity vs person first usage.  Or, in other words autistic person vs. person with autism.  The whole thing is so stupid.  It doesn't help or bring benefit to us especially with employers.  We need a different way.  The SJW way is not cutting it for our community.  It's making others think we are stupider then those others thought we were.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 20, 2019, 10:38:51 AM
If you're telling the truth I have to say you're an awesome kick ass guy for that.  If you're telling the truth we need guys like you to give those on the spectrum like him and myself the ability to prove we can do shit and do it well.  Maybe better then our non-disabled counter parts.  Added bonus I don't like PC so employers won't have to worry about that with me.

Aside: 
Truth is PC has infected our autism community and here are two examples.  1.  Banning the word retarded.  2.  This whole identity vs person first usage.  Or, in other words autistic person vs. person with autism.  The whole thing is so stupid.  It doesn't help or bring benefit to us especially with employers.  We need a different way.  The SJW way is not cutting it for our community.  It's making others think we are stupider then those others thought we were.
From what I saw, most of his problems stemmed from his parents. Bad parenting goes a long way in ones life, enabling bad behavior without guidance. That's what I saw here.
You still haven't said how young/old you are.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 20, 2019, 11:24:50 PM
From what I saw, most of his problems stemmed from his parents. Bad parenting goes a long way in ones life, enabling bad behavior without guidance. That's what I saw here.
You still haven't said how young/old you are.

I figured you would state it was bad parenting and I had a gut feeling it was that.  And, I think it is his disability as well. 

I don't feel comfortable stating my age on here as I feel shame.

I've looked at how you would respond depending upon how old I am.  My response to all of your messages is it is duly noted. 

From your responses and other member's response especially ConservativeInCT's responses that it takes more then just submitting applications and one has to be able to do social networking and other things.  Duly noted.

Looking what I've read about employer expectations and talking to others about expectations of the real world and even understanding what the real world is.  I and many others had and still have a skewed view as to how things worked in the real world and why they work that way.  I made my decisions in my life based upon a set of assumptions I had and still may have based upon things that was told to me, both indirectly and directly, by other adults (when I was a kid and teen) without verifying these things at all. 

I naively as a teen and child and young adult trusted those in authority including bot not limited to my parents to know what was good for me, know the right things and know what was good for my future.   Example:  If everyone is being encouraged to go into Information Technology then is it a good idea for me to go into it.  Won't the field be saturated with graduates thereby over-inflating the supply and reducing demand.  Basic economics:  Supply and Demand.  IT has an extremely high supply of grads and lower demand of jobs.  I never thought about this and was never taught to think of employment in economic terms instead of this whole stupid shit of "a job of your dreams."

Not, just that not understanding what employers wanted and what their questions meant.   And, knowing what others meant by be yourself and knowing what "not caring what others meant." 

The truth of the matter as far as I see it is that the path I took fucked me up in such way that I think it is to late for me.  I could be wrong.  But,  had I understood then what I understood now I may have been more successful in life (or really succeeding in American society).  But, it is not to late for the upcoming generations to avoid the mistakes of myself and the millennials.  Airplanes have what is called a black box so when a plane crashes this thing can be recovered so others can analyze the recordings.  I wish to be that black box.   I want the younger gens to look at the mistakes I've and others made so they don't go down inadvertently the same bad path.  I wish to give the younger gens hope for a better future.  Sometimes, one has to be the sacrificial lamb so others can prevail.  I encourage the millennials to do this.  Leave generation z and those younger then gen z a black box.  Let them analyze the contents of this black box especially if you're an older sibling to them. 


Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 21, 2019, 06:20:48 AM
I figured you would state it was bad parenting and I had a gut feeling it was that.  And, I think it is his disability as well. 

I don't feel comfortable stating my age on here as I feel shame.

I've looked at how you would respond depending upon how old I am.  My response to all of your messages is it is duly noted. 

From your responses and other member's response especially ConservativeInCT's responses that it takes more then just submitting applications and one has to be able to do social networking and other things.  Duly noted.

Looking what I've read about employer expectations and talking to others about expectations of the real world and even understanding what the real world is.  I and many others had and still have a skewed view as to how things worked in the real world and why they work that way.  I made my decisions in my life based upon a set of assumptions I had and still may have based upon things that was told to me, both indirectly and directly, by other adults (when I was a kid and teen) without verifying these things at all. 

I naively as a teen and child and young adult trusted those in authority including bot not limited to my parents to know what was good for me, know the right things and know what was good for my future.   Example:  If everyone is being encouraged to go into Information Technology then is it a good idea for me to go into it.  Won't the field be saturated with graduates thereby over-inflating the supply and reducing demand.  Basic economics:  Supply and Demand.  IT has an extremely high supply of grads and lower demand of jobs.  I never thought about this and was never taught to think of employment in economic terms instead of this whole stupid shit of "a job of your dreams."

Not, just that not understanding what employers wanted and what their questions meant.   And, knowing what others meant by be yourself and knowing what "not caring what others meant." 

The truth of the matter as far as I see it is that the path I took fucked me up in such way that I think it is to late for me.  I could be wrong.  But,  had I understood then what I understood now I may have been more successful in life (or really succeeding in American society).  But, it is not to late for the upcoming generations to avoid the mistakes of myself and the millennials.  Airplanes have what is called a black box so when a plane crashes this thing can be recovered so others can analyze the recordings.  I wish to be that black box.   I want the younger gens to look at the mistakes I've and others made so they don't go down inadvertently the same bad path.  I wish to give the younger gens hope for a better future.  Sometimes, one has to be the sacrificial lamb so others can prevail.  I encourage the millennials to do this.  Leave generation z and those younger then gen z a black box.  Let them analyze the contents of this black box especially if you're an older sibling to them.
Don't care!
You actually think you're somehow special, that only you have fears, that only you have disabilities, that you are somehow unique in the world of employment.
No one gives a shit, that's life, get over yourself coward and get off your ass and fuckin fail like everyone else did until they find a place between happy and miserable that brings home some form of pay.

Do you have any clue just how many people out there have some form of affliction? More than half, and higher in women, by nature, because of hormones. When I go into town I always notice people with issue, be it physical or mental, we, by nature actually ignore them and that's natural.
I was getting fuel the other day and the guy on the other side of the pump appeared to have lost something, under the car, in the empty trash can, in the car, back to the trash again and again, when I finished, I came back and asked if he needed help looking, he raised his head kind of shocked and quickly grabbed his keys, thanked me and jumped in his car and drove off.

OCD is a bitch and a huge part of the population suffers from it, you just never see it because you are so self absorbed about hiding what bugs you, you fail to see other people have issues too.
Besides dyslexic, guess what mine is?
I'll tell you, I have no patience for stupid people. I can accept ignorant, it's when they're too stupid and gullible to think on their own, and yet, they walk amongst us, they drive, they actually vote, they even breathe our air, and the left uses them for the puppets they are, but they're sooo damned stupid they have no clue they're helping the enemy of America.
And guess where many of them work? Govt. Yeah, they don't deserve the pay they make, and that pisses me off even more.

No, based on a comparative scale, you're normal, you're just a coward and found an excuse to enable that cowardice.
Look at the consequences. You get fired, some pencil necked geek yells at you, some geek with more issues that national geographic, a guy looking for someone he can abuse to make himself look better in his own eyes.
You find another job, you get fired, again and again until one day you find a fit. That's normal, everyone goes through it, or they work for themselves and suffer with less than min wage, but they don't have to contend with some loser looking for a victim.
That's it, you are afraid of failure! News Flash, welcome to the human race, everyone out there has the same damn fear, everyone out there finds a way to deal with it.

Guess how I deal with it...
I don't give a fuck what other people think of me. I really don't give a shit,, whether I created it or it's old age, don't know, don't care. Life isn't a race to see who simply survives, it's all about the journey, so you can either ride in a box with a bunch of plastic flowers destined for someone's headstone, or you can grab a spot and participate, your call.
Your issue is you give others too much power in how they effect you, take it back. Next time you're out in public, watch just how weird people act. it's better than a damned movie. They're all fucked up! :biggrin:
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 21, 2019, 11:50:08 PM
Don't care!
You actually think you're somehow special, that only you have fears, that only you have disabilities, that you are somehow unique in the world of employment.
No one gives a shit, that's life, get over yourself coward and get off your ass and fuckin fail like everyone else did until they find a place between happy and miserable that brings home some form of pay.


Which means abilities and disabilities are sliding scale.    If this is truth then do we not have people with disabilities that are more profound then others and so profound that it would make it to where they would not be able to succeed on their own? 

Do you have any clue just how many people out there have some form of affliction? More than half, and higher in women, by nature, because of hormones. When I go into town I always notice people with issue, be it physical or mental, we, by nature actually ignore them and that's natural.

1.  From where do you get your stats from?

2.  Here is where I get mine.  From the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  Or are you going to say that this is a left wing organization that credibility?

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/disabl.pdf

If one looks at Table A in the section entitled "Civilian noninstitutional population" you will see the amount of people with a disability broken down by age group.  You add the numbers for 2017 and you get 60702. 

If one looks at Table A in the section entitled "Civilian noninstitutional population" in the no disability section and add all of the numbers for 2017 you will get 449455.

Take 60702 and divide by 449455 you will receive the percent of people with disabilities which when rounded to the nearest whole number is about 14%.  You're saying more then half has some form of affliction or disability.  How in the fuck do you get your figure of more then half?  It's a bit under 1/8 and 1/8 does not equal to 1/2 or more then 1/2. 

Where are your numbers, statistics, and evidence Solar for this claim?

I was getting fuel the other day and the guy on the other side of the pump appeared to have lost something, under the car, in the empty trash can, in the car, back to the trash again and again, when I finished, I came back and asked if he needed help looking, he raised his head kind of shocked and quickly grabbed his keys, thanked me and jumped in his car and drove off.

Your point?


OCD is a bitch and a huge part of the population suffers from it, you just never see it because you are so self absorbed about hiding what bugs you, you fail to see other people have issues too.


And, you know this how?  Where is your evidence for you assertion?  Do you have numbers and data that backs this up?

And, as for being self-absorbed this requires its own thread as I don't agree with the idea that being self-absorbed is necessarily always a bad thing and that being others-absorbed, self-sacrificing, people-absorbed, selfless is necessarily always a good thing. 

Besides dyslexic, guess what mine is?
I'll tell you, I have no patience for stupid people. I can accept ignorant, it's when they're too stupid and gullible to think on their own, and yet, they walk amongst us, they drive, they actually vote, they even breathe our air, and the left uses them for the puppets they are, but they're sooo damned stupid they have no clue they're helping the enemy of America.
And guess where many of them work? Govt. Yeah, they don't deserve the pay they make, and that pisses me off even more.

1.  Can you specifically define who America's enemies are in 2019 and why do you believe they're our enemies?

2.  How is "having no patience for stupid people" considered a disability?  I think having no patience for stupid people or in other words having this attitude that one is superior to others is a characteristic of Narcissism or at least one of the narcissistic traits in the DSM.  How did this affect your ability to make a living for yourself? 

No, based on a comparative scale, you're normal, you're just a coward and found an excuse to enable that cowardice.


What comparative scale?  Who is the designer of this scale? 

Look at the consequences. You get fired, some pencil necked geek yells at you, some geek with more issues that national geographic, a guy looking for someone he can abuse to make himself look better in his own eyes.
You find another job, you get fired, again and again until one day you find a fit. That's normal, everyone goes through it, or they work for themselves and suffer with less than min wage, but they don't have to contend with some loser looking for a victim.

The presumption you have is that I'm already in the gate and made it through.  When it comes to job searching for an autistic person such as myself it is the most confusing and confounding one has to go through.  A number of those such as myself couldn't even find the stadium to even swing the bat.  But apparently, ConservativeInCT says I've been doing it wrong all this time.  What exactly is the correct way to get a job so one can succeed or fail at it?  That's one of the problems.  You're telling me and others like myself to try.  Try what exactly?  Social Networking?  How?  How do I do that?

That's it, you are afraid of failure! News Flash, welcome to the human race, everyone out there has the same damn fear, everyone out there finds a way to deal with it.

Obviously, they don't since some either commit suicide, end up in prison or end up in mental hospitals or group homes.  And, it presumes fear is the only thing that holds one back which it is not.

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Guess how I deal with it...
I don't give a fuck what other people think of me. I really don't give a shit,, whether I created it or it's old age, don't know, don't care. Life isn't a race to see who simply survives, it's all about the journey, so you can either ride in a box with a bunch of plastic flowers destined for someone's headstone, or you can grab a spot and participate, your call.
Your issue is you give others too much power in how they effect you, take it back. Next time you're out in public, watch just how weird people act. it's better than a damned movie. They're all fucked up! :biggrin:

Let's presume I'm not disabled and I'm as normal as you say I am.  Let's assume everything you say is 100% absolutely correct.  You're saying it is all about the journey.  I've heard the phrase it's not the destination but the journey that matters.  What does that even fucking mean?  A journey for what?  What is the exact goal(s)?  What exactly is the point?  Is it b/c if I don't I will burn in hell meaning God says so?  Is it b/c society says so?  Nature or the universe?   In fact, what is the journey one is supposed to take? 

We all end up 6 feet under at some point.  When I saw my mother's dead body and a year or so after my uncle's I saw finality.  Especially, when I was invited up to see my Uncle's Dead body.  This was the end of their journey.  No matter what choices we make this is where we all end up at?  What was the point?  I finally realized after asking the question what is our purpose?  I finally realized our purpose was to end.  It matters not what we do in life we all reach the same point.  We're all predestined to end. 
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 22, 2019, 03:50:38 AM


Guess how I deal with it...
I don't give a fuck what other people think of me. I really don't give a shit,, whether I created it or it's old age, don't know, don't care. Life isn't a race to see who simply survives, it's all about the journey, so you can either ride in a box with a bunch of plastic flowers destined for someone's headstone, or you can grab a spot and participate, your call.
Your issue is you give others too much power in how they effect you, take it back. Next time you're out in public, watch just how weird people act. it's better than a damned movie. They're all fucked up! :biggrin:

I've heard this message growing up by various educators, family members and others.  This sort of message right here is one of the reasons why the youth of America are having so many issues.   A lot of today's youth follow this message religiously and without question to it.  We have things like fat acceptance.  Most of the older folks give this sort of message and advice without even thinking it through as to how the youth would even interpret it. 

My alternate advice is consider the source and situation.  Look at the content of what is being said and who is saying it.  Look at the situation as well.  Would you go into a job interview in your pajamas?   Or, would you look at the employment culture and attempt to dress to fit the part? 

Would you go into a job interview and start speaking all kinds of slang with the ni**a word every 5 seconds coming out of your mouth or would you speak with correct grammatical english?   Maybe in the hip hop culture it may work but in a fortune 500 company I doubt it.

This whole idea of never giving a fuck about what others think of you is one of the the most stupid advice that the youth have ever heard. 

Consider the source and situation.  That's what they need to do.  If it's dumb fuck billy bob who makes fun of a pimple you have you can dismiss him and not even care what he thinks.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: ConservativeInCT on January 22, 2019, 04:34:36 AM
I've heard this message growing up by various educators, family members and others.  This sort of message right here is one of the reasons why the youth of America are having so many issues.   A lot of today's youth follow this message religiously and without question to it.  We have things like fat acceptance.  Most of the older folks give this sort of message and advice without even thinking it through as to how the youth would even interpret it. 

My alternate advice is consider the source and situation.  Look at the content of what is being said and who is saying it.  Look at the situation as well.  Would you go into a job interview in your pajamas?   Or, would you look at the employment culture and attempt to dress to fit the part? 

Would you go into a job interview and start speaking all kinds of slang with the ni**a word every 5 seconds coming out of your mouth or would you speak with correct grammatical english?   Maybe in the hip hop culture it may work but in a fortune 500 company I doubt it.

This whole idea of never giving a fuck about what others think of you is one of the the most stupid advice that the youth have ever heard. 

Consider the source and situation.  That's what they need to do.  If it's dumb fuck billy bob who makes fun of a pimple you have you can dismiss him and not even care what he thinks.

When taken on its face, yes. Your point of going into an interview in your pajamas or using racial slurs when applying for a fortune five hundred job are applicable. Personally I don't care what people think of me. Being someone who was bullied in high school I look at my situation now and consider myself to be better off then most of the kids who bullied me when I was younger. I just think there is a deeper meaning to this beyond the way you interpret it which is directly on it's face value. Telling kids not to care about how people see them is good advice because it promotes an attitude of individuality. Yes, there will be screw ups like in any society, but those are outliers. But eventually they will learn. It took me a while to figure this out after being kicked out of my house at eighteen but I came around and I've started making it.

I constantly worried about my inability to get a job in writing. Eventually, a friend of mine working in Journalism told me to not care about the way I write. to stick with my work and just go for it. I stopped giving a fuck about my worries and what people might say about it and applied to some content writing firms. Now I have a great job as a paid writer for a media company. That's how I see it. Had I not been able to get over the fears i built up inside me or listened to the few people who told me my writing wasn't good enough to be published, I would have never taken that step. Now I work a busy but great job I wake up every morning and enjoy.

Secondly, your argument of considering the source and situation is life 101. Aside from people I know who struggle with picking up on social cues, everyone I know understands the concept of 'time and place'. While there are people who just don't care about that, it wasn't because of the advice Solar gave. That's just their own ignorance, and they will suffer for it in their own way.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
Which means abilities and disabilities are sliding scale.    If this is truth then do we not have people with disabilities that are more profound then others and so profound that it would make it to where they would not be able to succeed on their own? 

Do you have any clue just how many people out there have some form of affliction? More than half, and higher in women, by nature, because of hormones. When I go into town I always notice people with issue, be it physical or mental, we, by nature actually ignore them and that's natural.

1.  From where do you get your stats from?

2.  Here is where I get mine.  From the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  Or are you going to say that this is a left wing organization that credibility?

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/disabl.pdf

If one looks at Table A in the section entitled "Civilian noninstitutional population" you will see the amount of people with a disability broken down by age group.  You add the numbers for 2017 and you get 60702. 

If one looks at Table A in the section entitled "Civilian noninstitutional population" in the no disability section and add all of the numbers for 2017 you will get 449455.

Take 60702 and divide by 449455 you will receive the percent of people with disabilities which when rounded to the nearest whole number is about 14%.  You're saying more then half has some form of affliction or disability.  How in the fuck do you get your figure of more then half?  It's a bit under 1/8 and 1/8 does not equal to 1/2 or more then 1/2. 

Where are your numbers, statistics, and evidence Solar for this claim?

Your point?
And, you know this how?  Where is your evidence for you assertion?  Do you have numbers and data that backs this up?
Huumans are made up with all sorts of quirks, that's what makes us individuals. I have mild OCD, I was also diagnosed as ADHD as a child, but unlike those that claim it a handicap, I saw it as a gift, just like my OCD, which allows me to focus deeply on a problem, while others see it as the inability to control their behaviors.
Yes, I could have gone the route of disabled and gotten a govt welfare check, but most people simply find a way to cope, so we do not fall under govt stats.

You can't use govt statistics because they don't include those who work with functioning disabilities. There is a huge percentage out there that are self reliant and want no part of govt in their lives.
Commonsense is what I use, that and all the people I have known over the decades that in spite of their inabilities, still found a way to earn a living.
As you could do if someone hadn't pounded into your head that you'll never amount to anything.


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And, as for being self-absorbed this requires its own thread as I don't agree with the idea that being self-absorbed is necessarily always a bad thing and that being others-absorbed, self-sacrificing, people-absorbed, selfless is necessarily always a good thing. 
This is what I was talking about, you derail your own threads by going off in another direction. Try not being so literal and read it for the simple comment it is.

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1.  Can you specifically define who America's enemies are in 2019 and why do you believe they're our enemies?
You've been here how long, and you still don't know that Communism is alive and well on the left?


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2.  How is "having no patience for stupid people" considered a disability?  I think having no patience for stupid people or in other words having this attitude that one is superior to others is a characteristic of Narcissism or at least one of the narcissistic traits in the DSM.  How did this affect your ability to make a living for yourself? 

Again stop being so damned literal and reread what I said in whole!

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What comparative scale?  Who is the designer of this scale?

Damn man, it was a metaphor. Stop trying to read something that isn't there, take what I say as a whole and stop trying to apply it as if the govt had done a study, it's simple commonsense.

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The presumption you have is that I'm already in the gate and made it through.  When it comes to job searching for an autistic person such as myself it is the most confusing and confounding one has to go through.  A number of those such as myself couldn't even find the stadium to even swing the bat.  But apparently, ConservativeInCT says I've been doing it wrong all this time.  What exactly is the correct way to get a job so one can succeed or fail at it?  That's one of the problems.  You're telling me and others like myself to try.  Try what exactly?  Social Networking?  How?  How do I do that?
Here's how mostt people see the issue. We see it in whole, we need a job, we look for a job.
You on the other hand, break it all down, as if there are millions of variables, when there is not.
You get dressed, eat, leave the house and ask for a job, you don't tell them you are disabled, you get the job first, if they complain, apologize and say I guess I can be stupid at times and keep working.
You get up in the morning and antagonize over what you should wear, what to eat, am I smiling too much, in other words you focus on too many trivialities when you should be thinking in the positive.
I'm assuming this from what you've written in the past.
Most of us just go out and look to see who is hiring, pack a lunch and know that we'll be rejected 99% of the time but eventually be hired, and it most likely won''t be what we wanted, but we don't care, because it's a damn job, it's freedom!


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Obviously, they don't since some either commit suicide, end up in prison or end up in mental hospitals or group homes.  And, it presumes fear is the only thing that holds one back which it is not.
This is true, some people don't and turn to crime, while others give up and quit the game of life.

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Let's presume I'm not disabled and I'm as normal as you say I am.  Let's assume everything you say is 100% absolutely correct.  You're saying it is all about the journey.  I've heard the phrase it's not the destination but the journey that matters.  What does that even fucking mean?  A journey for what?  What is the exact goal(s)?  What exactly is the point?  Is it b/c if I don't I will burn in hell meaning God says so?  Is it b/c society says so?  Nature or the universe?   In fact, what is the journey one is supposed to take?
 

Live. Die, that's life, what happens in between is the journey, what you make of it is life, your failures make the journey interesting, but learning from your failures makes the journey worth living.
Sitting on you ass is akin to being stalled in traffic, you go nowhere, you're in the way so you pull off to the side of the road and watch traffic go by, people with goals and destinations, all the while you sit idle in the safety of your seat.
Is that what you want out of life, are you too afraid to get out there in the flow and see where it takes you, or is it your destiny to simply observe, like watching a movie?

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We all end up 6 feet under at some point.  When I saw my mother's dead body and a year or so after my uncle's I saw finality.  Especially, when I was invited up to see my Uncle's Dead body.  This was the end of their journey.  No matter what choices we make this is where we all end up at?  What was the point?  I finally realized after asking the question what is our purpose?  I finally realized our purpose was to end.  It matters not what we do in life we all reach the same point.  We're all predestined to end.

Yes, but what did you, as an individual, accomplish? Did you over come a single fear, did you love, hate, procreate, get a dog, pet a cow?
All of this is part of life, all accomplishments, small or big are a part of the journey, but conquering personal challenges, even the tiniest add to the value that is your life. 
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 22, 2019, 11:00:53 PM
Huumans are made up with all sorts of quirks, that's what makes us individuals. I have mild OCD, I was also diagnosed as ADHD as a child, but unlike those that claim it a handicap, I saw it as a gift, just like my OCD, which allows me to focus deeply on a problem, while others see it as the inability to control their behaviors.
Yes, I could have gone the route of disabled and gotten a govt welfare check, but most people simply find a way to cope, so we do not fall under govt stats.


The thing is what you fail to understand is this.  Yes, you do see it as a gift but others saw it as a gift as well.   Others chose to see it that way as well.  In our society, Autism and the traits of it is seen as a stigma and a liability by others especially a number of employers.  It doesn't matter how I see myself especially if others outside of myself make decisions that influence the decisions and choices I have. 

You can't use govt statistics because they don't include those who work with functioning disabilities. There is a huge percentage out there that are self reliant and want no part of govt in their lives.


What do you mean by functioning disabilities?  Do you mean those with disabilities who are employed and providing themselves a living?  If this is what you mean then the Bureau of Labor Statistics does include this as well.  If not, I don't know what you mean.

Commonsense is what I use, that and all the people I have known over the decades that in spite of their inabilities, still found a way to earn a living.


Well, let's look up what common sense is.  I looked in your 19th century and it doesn't have it.  I doubt you mean the book from Thomas Paine.   Common sense is sound practical judgment concerning everyday matters, or a basic ability to perceive, understand, and judge that is shared by ("common to") nearly all people.[1]

Let's go by this wikipedia definition.  It seems like it would make the most sense for me even though wikpedia is probably not the best definition but I think it fits what I'm trying to convey.    I don't know what you would say it is.

The problem with common sense at least for myself that I can put in the most simplistic of terms is that I see a red world while you see a green world.  Most people may be different in their shade of red but they still see the red world.  Or better yet, imagine we all do see a red world and we all see differing shades of red.  But, why can't most of the population see shades of red in a range while I and others like me see a different shades of red.  My very perception of the real world is not exactly universal to others.   The differences are more striking.  Even the definition says "nearly all people."  Can we consider those like myself as part of nearly all people or as in statistics within 2 standard deviations or am I an extreme outlier. 

As you could do if someone hadn't pounded into your head that you'll never amount to anything.

How do you know what was pounded into my head or not?   Have you ever experienced my life growing up?   Do you even know me personally? 

This is what I was talking about, you derail your own threads by going off in another direction. Try not being so literal and read it for the simple comment it is.

And, if I don't understand or grasp the simple comment and don't realize I don't understand or grasp the simple comment?  Then what?   You say try not being so literal.   How?  How do I do this?  You're asking a blind man to see. 

You've been here how long, and you still don't know that Communism is alive and well on the left?

And, what drove those on the left to become leftists in the first place?  What drove them to embrace the philosophy?   My opinion.  The answer to this based upon what they say or at least some of them say is that they got fucked over by following advice given to them by those who were in charge like their parents, educators, and their communities in the adult world. 

Here is a definition of socialism.  It is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

https://www.google.com/search?q=socialism&oq=socialism&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1285j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

First, unless I am mistaken and misperceiving things I don't think anyone except a minor group of people advocate the means of production, distribution and exchange should be "OWNED" by the government.

Second, isn't regulation inherent to the Constitution or am I misunderstanding what the interstate commerce clause means?  Let's you have two parties.  A person or business owner dumps his sludge down the river and you own land in another state which the river flows near.  Should the business owner of the land in the state above me be allowed to dump his sludge which goes down the river and damages the land own or part of the river I own?  Wouldn't that business owner upstream violate my property rights?  Or let's look at pollution on a global scale and climate change and let's assume it is true and we as man is causing it.  Aren't people's property rights around the world being violated by others?  So, why wouldn't we put regulations and referee the whole situation to curtail this just like the river example?  So, why is socialism and regulation absolutely evil if it would help to protect our God given rights more specifically property rights?

Again stop being so damned literal and reread what I said in whole!

How?
 
Damn man, it was a metaphor. Stop trying to read something that isn't there, take what I say as a whole and stop trying to apply it as if the govt had done a study, it's simple commonsense.

How?   And, are you saying that you're going by your own experiences? Is this what you're talking about.  If we're all different then wouldn't all of our experiences have differences to them especially if we all come from differing backgrounds?  Unless I'm mistaken then it seems like what you're saying is that your experiences proves the whole.  This is called a hasty generalization which is a logical fallacy.  Unless I don't fully understand the concept then wouldn't you need more of a stronger sample then just a minority (yourself)?  It's like you're saying that most of the jelly beans in your area that you've eaten is red.  Therefore all or the vast majority is red.  Where is the proof for the generalization that you have made?  I looked up the government study from the Bureau of Labor Stats and it looks like the data was collected by the Census Bureau.  Unless I'm mistaken don't they go to different places around the country at random thereby eliminating as much bias as possible. 
 
Here's how mostt people see the issue. We see it in whole, we need a job, we look for a job.

Without ever questioning what they're doing, what is it for in the end and why.  What is the point?

You on the other hand, break it all down, as if there are millions of variables, when there is not.

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Does not perceiving the variables mean that they don't exist.  There was a time that people didn't accept that germs existed but not the knowledge of germs is every day common knowledge or well common sense. 

You get dressed, eat, leave the house and ask for a job, you don't tell them you are disabled, you get the job first, if they complain, apologize and say I guess I can be stupid at times and keep working.



You get up in the morning and antagonize over what you should wear, what to eat, am I smiling too much, in other words you focus on too many trivialities when you should be thinking in the positive.


This assumes that you're even allowed at the gate. If one misunderstands the questions on their personality tests or gets one comma wrong or misspells one word on your job application or resume you are out.    Or, they accept you once you're at the gate and the interview starts and we're rejected based upon our personalities and our non-verbal language.  Do you realize that employers require these trivialities like eye contact or a firm hand shake.  Or, if I speak like Ben Stein.  Even you said if one has the personality of a saltine cracker more then likely one will not get the job.   You say I should quit worrying about these things and think in the positive.  Are employers going to do the exact same thing?  Are they themselves going to quit worrying about these trivialities and all of these social pleasantries?   What positives do you expect me and others who are having similar difficulties or greater to think in exactly? 

This is why I think it is to simplistic to claim that life is what we make it.  It is what others make it as well especially those who make the rules, guard the doors and keys and own the gold. 

I'm assuming this from what you've written in the past.

Or you're interpretation of what I've written in the past. 
Most of us just go out and look to see who is hiring, pack a lunch and know that we'll be rejected 99% of the time but eventually be hired, and it most likely won''t be what we wanted, but we don't care, because it's a damn job, it's freedom!

This assumes that everyone gets to bat. 

This is true, some people don't and turn to crime, while others give up and quit the game of life.

Obviously, not everyone was able to adapt to life or to make it work.
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Live. Die, that's life, what happens in between is the journey, what you make of it is life, your failures make the journey interesting, but learning from your failures makes the journey worth living.

And, who or what defines what is success and failure?  Do I have any say in the definitions or or all of this defined by others?  By law and the constitution I do indeed but socially do I really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lonely_Crowd

Is our society truthfully inner-directed?  Or is it really other-directed?  Who or what defines what masculinity is or what an Alpha man is?  I've been going to various youtube about complaining about how men are more betas then alphas.  Alphas have certain traits and Betas have certain traits.  In our society, do I get to define what these things, like what it means to be a man, for myself or are these things defined by others? 

If not, then how do I control my life and how is life what I make it especially if it is other directed?

Sitting on you ass is akin to being stalled in traffic, you go nowhere, you're in the way so you pull off to the side of the road and watch traffic go by, people with goals and destinations, all the while you sit idle in the safety of your seat.

Or, maybe I'm waiting for the road to clear up a bit before I can go anywhere.  Sometimes that's the best move to make. 

Is that what you want out of life, are you too afraid to get out there in the flow and see where it takes you, or is it your destiny to simply observe, like watching a movie?

Destiny precludes choice.  Are certain things one's destiny or do I have choices?

And, what if one doesn't understand or get the flow?

I don't even get your wording here.

But, I will state what I wish.  I wish to be able to know what is the right way to go for myself and have the ability to being able to do that.   What I wish in simplistic terms is to be able to take 2 + 2 and make 4. 



Yes, but what did you, as an individual, accomplish? Did you over come a single fear, did you love, hate, procreate, get a dog, pet a cow?
All of this is part of life, all accomplishments, small or big are a part of the journey, but conquering personal challenges, even the tiniest add to the value that is your life.
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Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 23, 2019, 05:39:58 AM

What did I tell you about getting lost in the weeds? And here you are, looking for roots and worms now?
You're going the wrong way, look up, see the big picture. And you still haven't answered my question. "What are you afraid of, in getting a job", or is menial somehow below you?
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 23, 2019, 06:55:01 PM
What did I tell you about getting lost in the weeds? And here you are, looking for roots and worms now?
You're going the wrong way, look up, see the big picture. And you still haven't answered my question. "What are you afraid of, in getting a job", or is menial somehow below you?

I don't know how to see the bigger picture.

I did answer your question.

I'm not afraid of being employed.  No job is below me that I'm competent to do and no job is below me that employers are willing to hire me for.  If a job does not meet either of these two criteria then it is below me.  There is your answer.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 23, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
I don't know how to see the bigger picture.

I did answer your question.

I'm not afraid of being employed.  No job is below me that I'm competent to do and no job is below me that employers are willing to hire me for.  If a job does not meet either of these two criteria then it is below me.  There is your answer.
Janitorial companies are hurting for people.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Sick Of Silence on January 23, 2019, 07:45:05 PM
Janitorial companies are hurting for people.

They only hire people "who can't speak English" to do a lousy job.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 23, 2019, 08:02:17 PM
Janitorial companies are hurting for people.

And, if I submit my job application and/or resume to them and it is the same wash, rinse, repeat of not even giving me a response at all then what?  Be more positive?  Never give up?  I've even applied to being a bell boy a few times.  No response at all.

SO, How in the fuck do I take responsibility for my life exactly?
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 23, 2019, 08:07:24 PM
And, if I submit my job application and/or resume to them and it is the same wash, rinse, repeat of not even giving me a response at all then what?  Be more positive?  Never give up?  I've even applied to being a bell boy a few times.  No response at all.

SO, How in the fuck do I take responsibility for my life exactly?
Yeah, what the fuck was I thinking? Of course, give it, be a quitter, isn't that what your generation was raised to do?
Or, you could do like everyone else who wants a job, go in person, build a rapport, get to know the people, in other words, make friends, and eventually they will hire you.
Take someone a cup of coffee and see if that doesn't help. Persistence always wins out because they see that you actually want to work there.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 23, 2019, 09:21:17 PM
Yeah, what the fuck was I thinking? Of course, give it, be a quitter, isn't that what your generation was raised to do?

I already explained what the younger gens were raised to do and not do.

 
Or, you could do like everyone else who wants a job, go in person, build a rapport, get to know the people, in other words, make friends, and eventually they will hire you.
Take someone a cup of coffee and see if that doesn't help. Persistence always wins out because they see that you actually want to work there.

Do you not realize what autism spectrum disorders are and what their core features are? 

In other words play the social networking game?  HOW?
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 24, 2019, 05:59:30 AM
I already explained what the younger gens were raised to do and not do.

Do you not realize what autism spectrum disorders are and what their core features are? 

In other words play the social networking game?  HOW?
That's not social or a game, it's trying to get a job. Hell, I don't care if you make them feel sorry for you like a lost kitten, you do whatever it takes to get a job, cry beg or blackmail, when it comes to feeding yourself, you alone are responsible for that.
Like I said, get out of the weeds, quit over thinking everything and do what your gut tells you.
You do grasp the concept of right and wrong, Right? And who gives a shit you you embarrass yourself, some women find that charming, a type of innocence,, even endearing.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 24, 2019, 11:01:12 PM
That's not social or a game, it's trying to get a job. Hell, I don't care if you make them feel sorry for you like a lost kitten, you do whatever it takes to get a job, cry beg or blackmail, when it comes to feeding yourself, you alone are responsible for that.
Like I said, get out of the weeds, quit over thinking everything and do what your gut tells you.
You do grasp the concept of right and wrong, Right? And who gives a shit you you embarrass yourself, some women find that charming, a type of innocence,, even endearing.

 :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

You do realize you're giving me mixed signals and mixed messages?   

Which is it?  Am I supposed to be moral and upright or am I not?
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 25, 2019, 05:59:15 AM
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

You do realize you're giving me mixed signals and mixed messages?   

Which is it?  Am I supposed to be moral and upright or am I not?
There are no mixed signals there!
Your lifestyle as it stands, relies on the charity of others. (Forcefully Stolen From The Taxpayer)
The right thing to do is to subsidize your income with your own labors, no matter how menial you thing the work is.
Even when the program you're on asks for a portion of your earnings in a compensatory form, you can be proud of yourself for helping, rather than sit at home and feel sorry for yourself while you live like a king compared to other nations on the planet.
Your welfare was never meant to support you without work, it was to help offset your income so you didn't starve and kept a roof over your head.

You have an obligation to the people you've been taking money from, to accept ANY job offered you, regardless of how you "Feel" about the labor.
You are not in a position to turn down work, that was part of the agreement when you entered the program, and don't deny it, or have you been on it so long that you now see it as a right to OPM, Other People's Money?
No mixed messages.


Get off your ass and get a job!!!
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 25, 2019, 08:00:10 AM
There are no mixed signals there!
Your lifestyle as it stands, relies on the charity of others. (Forcefully Stolen From The Taxpayer)
The right thing to do is to subsidize your income with your own labors, no matter how menial you thing the work is.
Even when the program you're on asks for a portion of your earnings in a compensatory form, you can be proud of yourself for helping, rather than sit at home and feel sorry for yourself while you live like a king compared to other nations on the planet.
Your welfare was never meant to support you without work, it was to help offset your income so you didn't starve and kept a roof over your head.

You have an obligation to the people you've been taking money from, to accept ANY job offered you, regardless of how you "Feel" about the labor.
You are not in a position to turn down work, that was part of the agreement when you entered the program, and don't deny it, or have you been on it so long that you now see it as a right to OPM, Other People's Money?
No mixed messages.


Get off your ass and get a job!!!


You're saying if I'm offered a job of a contract killer or drug smuggler I shouldn't even turn that down.  Does that mean that it is morally righteous to kill someone out of cold blood to make sure I'm not a thief?  Solar, you are not even making sense. 

And, how do you figure that what you consider forcefully stolen was yours in the first place?
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: supsalemgr on January 25, 2019, 08:08:48 AM

You're saying if I'm offered a job of a contract killer or drug smuggler I shouldn't even turn that down.  Does that mean that it is morally righteous to kill someone out of cold blood to make sure I'm not a thief?  Solar, you are not even making sense. 

And, how do you figure that what you consider forcefully stolen was yours in the first place?

Just who do you believe is the rightful owner?
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 25, 2019, 08:16:03 AM

You're saying if I'm offered a job of a contract killer or drug smuggler I shouldn't even turn that down.  Does that mean that it is morally righteous to kill someone out of cold blood to make sure I'm not a thief?  Solar, you are not even making sense. 

And, how do you figure that what you consider forcefully stolen was yours in the first place?
Gee, do "Contract Killers" run employment ads legally, do they have a storefront displaying "Death Is Us", do they pay into the system via taxes?
You are a complete idiot if you think anyone in their right mind would accept your childish argument!

Just answer the question and quit looking for excuses, you know exactly what I'm talking about, when I said:





"Get Off Your Ass And Get A Job"!
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 25, 2019, 08:17:07 AM
Just who do you believe is the rightful owner?
Funny how he attempts to justify theft.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: walkstall on January 25, 2019, 08:34:31 AM
Gee, do "Contract Killers" run employment ads legally, do they have a storefront displaying "Death Is Us", do they pay into the system via taxes?
You are a complete idiot if you think anyone in their right mind would accept your childish argument!

Just answer the question and quit looking for excuses, you know exactly what I'm talking about, when I said:





"Get Off Your Ass And Get A Job"!


I think it's about time for a timeout for alienhand again.   He sitting right up there with Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, all he is after is  attention.  He is not after help he needs a place for his platform BS.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 25, 2019, 08:46:04 AM

I think it's about time for a timeout for alienhand again.   He sitting right up there with Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, all he is after is  attention.  He is not after help he needs a place for his platform BS.
Agree! He makes up every excuse under the sun as to why he shouldn't work, rather than accept any position, simply for the purpose of earning his own keep and the sanctification of knowing he's accomplished something.
I find it insulting, that someone who claims to not grasp the simplicity of social interaction, yet was able to grasp enough of the concept to make an excuse for not understanding. :rolleyes:

Anyone else see a liar here?
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Sick Of Silence on January 25, 2019, 09:07:24 AM
Funny how he attempts to justify theft.

He is just trolling. Just like every other Liberal that comes here.

But, yes. They do justify theft.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 25, 2019, 10:47:25 AM
Gee, do "Contract Killers" run employment ads legally, do they have a storefront displaying "Death Is Us", do they pay into the system via taxes?
You are a complete idiot if you think anyone in their right mind would accept your childish argument!

Just answer the question and quit looking for excuses, you know exactly what I'm talking about, when I said:



Solar, you said not to refuse any job.  Is it that it is a childish argument or is what you said unclear, vague and open to interpretation?   You didn't specify the constraints that I was to keep in.  It's like you're telling me I can have any jelly bean in the jar yet you never state I'm not allowed to have any of the black ones.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 25, 2019, 10:54:08 AM
Agree! He makes up every excuse under the sun as to why he shouldn't work, rather than accept any position, simply for the purpose of earning his own keep and the sanctification of knowing he's accomplished something.
I find it insulting, that someone who claims to not grasp the simplicity of social interaction, yet was able to grasp enough of the concept to make an excuse for not understanding. :rolleyes:

Anyone else see a liar here?

Excuse means to give reason or justification.  One can give justification for an argument but not grasp social interaction that well as it not only requires verbal language but being able to read non-verbal.  I'm what is called mindblind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind-blindness
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 25, 2019, 11:03:45 AM
Solar, you said not to refuse any job.  Is it that it is a childish argument or is what you said unclear, vague and open to interpretation?   You didn't specify the constraints that I was to keep in.  It's like you're telling me I can have any jelly bean in the jar yet you never state I'm not allowed to have any of the black ones.
IDIOT!!!
When have I ever suggested you break the law?
Now cut the shit! Get a job, any damn job!!!
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on January 25, 2019, 11:14:30 AM
Just who do you believe is the rightful owner?

If existence has a creator then it is this creator who owns all and we all have what we have cause this creator allows it.  Nothing is really ours.  If it is God of the Bible I think he said render unto ceasar to what is ceasars and render to God to what is Gods.  Portion of what you receive belongs to ceasar and God.

If existence has no creator then implicit in living in a society is agreeing to its terms and part of that is paying taxes for various services including social security for those who can't work.  You're part of a society.  By being a part of it you agree to give up some of what you earn and agree to abide by the terms.   If you don't like it you can remove your consent by leaving.   

It's not thievery if it is not yours in the 1st place.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: walkstall on January 25, 2019, 11:30:53 AM
It is all about me (alienhand) is on a timeout.  This should help give him some time for looking for work.  (any damn work)
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: supsalemgr on January 25, 2019, 11:51:33 AM
If existence has a creator then it is this creator who owns all and we all have what we have cause this creator allows it.  Nothing is really ours.  If it is God of the Bible I think he said render unto ceasar to what is ceasars and render to God to what is Gods.  Portion of what you receive belongs to ceasar and God.

If existence has no creator then implicit in living in a society is agreeing to its terms and part of that is paying taxes for various services including social security for those who can't work.  You're part of a society.  By being a part of it you agree to give up some of what you earn and agree to abide by the terms.   If you don't like it you can remove your consent by leaving.   

It's not thievery if it is not yours in the 1st place.

Pure BS and avoidance of answering the question.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on January 29, 2019, 06:04:54 AM
Hmmmm, would appear that even the severely handicapped are finding work.
But I have no interest in discussing it, just posted it because the left doesn't want to talk about it.

WYOMING, Mich.—Like many adults with disabilities, Nathan Mort has often struggled to find and hold a job. A conservation group once declined his attempt to volunteer. The 37-year-old West Michigan native, who has a high-functioning form of autism, ended up living with his parents and dependent on government payments.

His fortunes turned several years ago when a local food distributor, Gordon Food Service, found itself short of entry-level workers and developed an internship program for adults with disabilities.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-hidden-workforce-returns-11548478801 … via @WSJ
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on February 09, 2019, 11:42:18 PM
Pure BS and avoidance of answering the question.

No, it not BS and avoidance of answering the question.  If we go by the creator theory more specifically God of the Bible it is God who owns all since he created all.  He is the right and divine ruler and owner of all.  We're simply his tenants and stewards of what he owns. Being that, he allows us to keep a certain amount.  The amount that does not belong to you belongs to Cesar and to God.  And, God the creator has dictated to all of us what we're to do with his portion of what we're to give to him which is to clothe the naked, feed the hungry, heal the sick, etc, etc.  And, to bring others into his Kingdom so others can do the same thing if it is possible for them to do. 

I have been deemed sick by the government, employers and society in general.  I'm receiving my SSDI b/c Caesar in this case is being obedient to God and so have others through their payment to Caesar.   And, b/c people are following God's command to render onto Caesar to what is Caesar's and render unto God to which is God's and I'm receiving what God has deemed me to receive I can't be a thief. 

I wrote this as secular reason as to why receiving SSDI and taxation in general can't be theft as libertarians and conservatives seem to claim. 

I think it is time to knock down the taxation is theft bullshit that both conservatives and libertarians have. Here is my counter-argument. Thievery implies that what was supposedly stolen from you was yours in the first place. I say it is not. The income you receive through your labors is not all yours to keep. Unless the society is similar to the Soviet Union or North Korea mainly in which one is not allowed to leave by being in and participating in society you give consent to be taxed. In other words, your consent is implicit. In a participatory, representative democracy, constitutional republic, etc you agree to how the elections and votes will turn out if the election is free of fraud and it is fair. It is called the social contract. In other words, you agree to socialism and welfare by your choice to be in and participate in society as long as your are allowed to leave.

Societies cannot and do not require a unanimous agreement by all of the citizenry before a policy, law or action takes place. Before we had the US constitution we had what was called the Articles of Confederation. The central government under that could get nothing done b/c the articles required unanimous agreement to pass any law or policy including payments of war debts. Some of the colonies at the time were refusing to pay the war debts so the debts were never paid. B/c the failure of the articles of confederation established that unanimous agreement was impossible a system had to be created which is what I call a representative agreement. And this had checks and balances. And, it was a check against the masses as well. The US constitution didn't require unanimous agreement and consent. By the states and people agreeing to this unanimous consent is not required and you agree to however the votes come out under certain conditions so we wouldn't have tyranny of the masses.

Another thing, the original colonists weren't against taxation but were against taxation without representation. B/c communication was slow (I mean you had a vast ocean between the Americas and Europe) and there was no radio the colonists were left on their own for a long time. They had to be self-sufficient. Overtime, they came to view themselves as their own people. When England started hitting them with taxes like the stamp act or the tea act they felt like they had no vote or representation in that vote. In other words, conservatives and libertarians are full of shit and don't really understand colonial history as well as they think they do.

We have representation today in our society supposedly. I will say we do have our issues including denying some people their vote through bullshit practices like how some places get the good voting machines while others get poor machines and people who don't know what they're doing to be the clerks. It is conservatives who do shit like this.

So, conservatives and libertarians are the most hypocritical bastards there is.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on February 10, 2019, 01:33:13 AM
IDIOT!!!
When have I ever suggested you break the law?
Now cut the shit! Get a job, any damn job!!!

Well, when you say I'm allowed to have any candy out of a candy jar you never said what kind(s) of candy I'm allowed to have Solar.   

When you say get a job, any damn job you never said what kind of job one is allowed to have.  Pretending that jobs are candy and legal jobs are one type of candy and illegal jobs are another kind you never specified only legal jobs so by lack of specification it implies that you suggest I break the law. 

Now, if I'm an idiot as you called me Solar as demonstrated here through not understanding your communication and if others speak similarly to you then how can I be expected to interpret the personality test questions properly, interview questions properly, socially network properly with mangers, selecting officials and others and sell myself to employers and customers in a meaningful way? 

So, if I'm an idiot and fool as demonstrated then you all have to accept beyond a shadow of a doubt that in order for me to function in both obtaining and keeping a job I need considerable amount of assistance and guidance. 

I think it was Samuel Clemens aka Mark Twain who said 'It is better for a man to remain silent and appear a fool, then to open his mouth and remove all doubt.'

But, what if I believe myself to be a fool and an idiot (which you said I was which I acknowledge and accept as true) and I need guidance and things broken down to both increase my understanding of the things in the heavens, on the Earth and the ground below?
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on February 10, 2019, 06:45:06 AM
Well, when you say I'm allowed to have any candy out of a candy jar you never said what kind(s) of candy I'm allowed to have Solar.   

When you say get a job, any damn job you never said what kind of job one is allowed to have.  Pretending that jobs are candy and legal jobs are one type of candy and illegal jobs are another kind you never specified only legal jobs so by lack of specification it implies that you suggest I break the law. 

Now, if I'm an idiot as you called me Solar as demonstrated here through not understanding your communication and if others speak similarly to you then how can I be expected to interpret the personality test questions properly, interview questions properly, socially network properly with mangers, selecting officials and others and sell myself to employers and customers in a meaningful way? 

So, if I'm an idiot and fool as demonstrated then you all have to accept beyond a shadow of a doubt that in order for me to function in both obtaining and keeping a job I need considerable amount of assistance and guidance. 

I think it was Samuel Clemens aka Mark Twain who said 'It is better for a man to remain silent and appear a fool, then to open his mouth and remove all doubt.'

But, what if I believe myself to be a fool and an idiot (which you said I was which I acknowledge and accept as true) and I need guidance and things broken down to both increase my understanding of the things in the heavens, on the Earth and the ground below?
Reading back through this thread, and your need to selectively quote to spin your bull shit excuses exposes your lies that you are too disabled to work.
Hell, you could write fiction all fucking day long, even a "How To" for getting out of work, being a productive member of society, manual.
Your ability to parse and spin exposes your lies, your ability to dance around a point shows you are a skilled liar.

The preceding page nails your ass to the wall, yet you are clever enough to balance the fine line of liar and fraud when crafting your replies/excuses.
Bottom-line here is, you have been exposed as a fraud, one that has learned the craft of deception, even to the point of convincing themselves that they are unemployable, just to stay on the public dole.
Live your lie, but don't expect anyone here to buy your BS that you're unemployable the way you have the govt, because no one here has fallen for it, and your litany of posts proves this point through your ability to avoid certain points, and craft a post to say what you want it to say and reply accordingly.
This is known as moving the goalpost.

The only thing you've managed to accomplish here, is that you've mastered the craft of pathological liar that uses his afflictions to convince others he's unemployable.
Think about that, your ability for avoidance is a skill all its own, in fact, if your social worker was to ever become aware of your posts,, you'd be forced to take a job.
That's right, they would see right through your facade you wear like a cloke of invincibility.

Oh, I don't doubt you have disabilities, I also know you've found a way to make it work for you to the point it keeps you from actually having to wok for a living.
Your lack of remorse/conscience, has become your weapon of choice in not having to live with the guilt most would feel, for not becoming a producing member of society.
You fooled govt social workers, but your posts expose the real you, and that person fools no one here any longer. Shame is not a part of your makeup.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: supsalemgr on February 10, 2019, 08:01:26 AM
Reading back through this thread, and your need to selectively quote to spin your bull shit excuses exposes your lies that you are too disabled to work.
Hell, you could write fiction all fucking day long, even a "How To" for getting out of work, being a productive member of society, manual.
Your ability to parse and spin exposes your lies, your ability to dance around a point shows you are a skilled liar.

The preceding page nails your ass to the wall, yet you are clever enough to balance the fine line of liar and fraud when crafting your replies/excuses.
Bottom-line here is, you have been exposed as a fraud, one that has learned the craft of deception, even to the point of convincing themselves that they are unemployable, just to stay on the public dole.
Live your lie, but don't expect anyone here to buy your BS that you're unemployable the way you have the govt, because no one here has fallen for it, and your litany of posts proves this point through your ability to avoid certain points, and craft a post to say what you want it to say and reply accordingly.
This is known as moving the goalpost.

The only thing you've managed to accomplish here, is that you've mastered the craft of pathological liar that uses his afflictions to convince others he's unemployable.
Think about that, your ability for avoidance is a skill all its own, in fact, if your social worker was to ever become aware of your posts,, you'd be forced to take a job.
That's right, they would see right through your facade you wear like a cloke of invincibility.

Oh, I don't doubt you have disabilities, I also know you've found a way to make it work for you to the point it keeps you from actually having to wok for a living.
Your lack of remorse/conscience, has become your weapon of choice in not having to live with the guilt most would feel, for not becoming a producing member of society.
You fooled govt social workers, but your posts expose the real you, and that person fools no one here any longer. Shame is not a part of your makeup.

I believe he is working the system. If he is on SS Disability he is limited in how much he can earn. Consequently, he has chosen not to break out of the disability trap and play on the system as a victim. It is time to let him wallow in his own mess.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on February 10, 2019, 09:23:48 AM
I believe he is working the system. If he is on SS Disability he is limited in how much he can earn. Consequently, he has chosen not to break out of the disability trap and play on the system as a victim. It is time to let him wallow in his own mess.
Bottom-line is, he's a coward.
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on February 11, 2019, 09:47:23 PM
1.  It is impossible to believe one's own lies.  I've heard this before from others about others and it is one of the biggest bunco I've ever heard.  Let's say a child takes and eats a cookie from the cookie jar when he is not supposed to.   He knows he did what he was not supposed to do.  His parents question him about it and he lies about it.  You're telling me this kid will believe he didn't actually take the cookie even though he knows he took it.  How?  How in the fuck does this make any sense?

2.  I've read the article you posted on here about the hidden returning to work.   The amount on the SSDI rolls is still 8,500,000 down from 9,000,000 since 2014.  So, only 5.6% were able to get off of SSDI?  How in the hell is that even significant?

3.  For those who were kicked off of SSDI, how many actually returned to work?  What exactly is the suicide rate?  Hasn't it gone up since about 2014?

Solar am I a liar or is it that you live in your own myopic  world  who really doesn't like to have his world view challenged?   Even the structure of your whole forum including entry to it has all kinds of security and stupid questions so you and your friends live in this world without any kind of critical thought at all. 
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: Solar on February 12, 2019, 05:44:22 AM
1.  It is impossible to believe one's own lies.  I've heard this before from others about others and it is one of the biggest bunco I've ever heard.  Let's say a child takes and eats a cookie from the cookie jar when he is not supposed to.   He knows he did what he was not supposed to do.  His parents question him about it and he lies about it.  You're telling me this kid will believe he didn't actually take the cookie even though he knows he took it.  How?  How in the fuck does this make any sense?

2.  I've read the article you posted on here about the hidden returning to work.   The amount on the SSDI rolls is still 8,500,000 down from 9,000,000 since 2014.  So, only 5.6% were able to get off of SSDI?  How in the hell is that even significant?

3.  For those who were kicked off of SSDI, how many actually returned to work?  What exactly is the suicide rate?  Hasn't it gone up since about 2014?

Solar am I a liar or is it that you live in your own myopic  world  who really doesn't like to have his world view challenged?   Even the structure of your whole forum including entry to it has all kinds of security and stupid questions so you and your friends live in this world without any kind of critical thought at all.
A couple of things here.
One, you have the ability to in maneuvering through a questionnaire designed to keep libs out, yes, idiots can't enter. You have the ability to articulate your message better than the average min wage worker, yet you claim you're unemployable, you've even gone out and started your own page to whine about your personal problems. That alone is quite an accomplishment for more than half the people in the US. But....
No one gives a fuck! What people see is someone spending all their time defending their stupidity, instead of getting off the damned computer and using this time to pursue any form of employment.

Point is, no one gives a fuck about you, not even those who claim to be your advocates, you are the only one on this planet that can make a difference in your life, so quit coming on here, thinking the world evolves around you, and that, for some odd reason you found it necessary to to include us in your fuckin drama is beyond me.
We were led to believe you sought help, but that was all a lie, you were in search of sympathy, all because those paid to help you got tired of the excuses and lies. (you manipulated the system well enough to get money out of it)

This is your world, you created it, live in it, but don't expect anyone here to listen to your bullshit any longer since you've exposed yourself as a fraud and a lazy ass liar who would rather sit on the computer and question others lives, than live their own.

Unless you have something political in nature to discuss, don't post! Derail another thread and make it about you or any BS related shit, Walks has the authority to ban you on the spot. But your whiny lies are no longer welcome here.

You made your own bed, lie in it!!!
Title: Re: My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck
Post by: alienhand on February 12, 2019, 07:52:46 PM
Solar, may I private message you please?