My response to James Watson Refuses to cuck

Started by alienhand, January 16, 2019, 07:25:09 PM

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Solar

Quote from: alienhand on January 20, 2019, 11:24:50 PM
I figured you would state it was bad parenting and I had a gut feeling it was that.  And, I think it is his disability as well. 

I don't feel comfortable stating my age on here as I feel shame.

I've looked at how you would respond depending upon how old I am.  My response to all of your messages is it is duly noted. 

From your responses and other member's response especially ConservativeInCT's responses that it takes more then just submitting applications and one has to be able to do social networking and other things.  Duly noted.

Looking what I've read about employer expectations and talking to others about expectations of the real world and even understanding what the real world is.  I and many others had and still have a skewed view as to how things worked in the real world and why they work that way.  I made my decisions in my life based upon a set of assumptions I had and still may have based upon things that was told to me, both indirectly and directly, by other adults (when I was a kid and teen) without verifying these things at all. 

I naively as a teen and child and young adult trusted those in authority including bot not limited to my parents to know what was good for me, know the right things and know what was good for my future.   Example:  If everyone is being encouraged to go into Information Technology then is it a good idea for me to go into it.  Won't the field be saturated with graduates thereby over-inflating the supply and reducing demand.  Basic economics:  Supply and Demand.  IT has an extremely high supply of grads and lower demand of jobs.  I never thought about this and was never taught to think of employment in economic terms instead of this whole stupid shit of "a job of your dreams."

Not, just that not understanding what employers wanted and what their questions meant.   And, knowing what others meant by be yourself and knowing what "not caring what others meant." 

The truth of the matter as far as I see it is that the path I took fucked me up in such way that I think it is to late for me.  I could be wrong.  But,  had I understood then what I understood now I may have been more successful in life (or really succeeding in American society).  But, it is not to late for the upcoming generations to avoid the mistakes of myself and the millennials.  Airplanes have what is called a black box so when a plane crashes this thing can be recovered so others can analyze the recordings.  I wish to be that black box.   I want the younger gens to look at the mistakes I've and others made so they don't go down inadvertently the same bad path.  I wish to give the younger gens hope for a better future.  Sometimes, one has to be the sacrificial lamb so others can prevail.  I encourage the millennials to do this.  Leave generation z and those younger then gen z a black box.  Let them analyze the contents of this black box especially if you're an older sibling to them.
Don't care!
You actually think you're somehow special, that only you have fears, that only you have disabilities, that you are somehow unique in the world of employment.
No one gives a shit, that's life, get over yourself coward and get off your ass and fuckin fail like everyone else did until they find a place between happy and miserable that brings home some form of pay.

Do you have any clue just how many people out there have some form of affliction? More than half, and higher in women, by nature, because of hormones. When I go into town I always notice people with issue, be it physical or mental, we, by nature actually ignore them and that's natural.
I was getting fuel the other day and the guy on the other side of the pump appeared to have lost something, under the car, in the empty trash can, in the car, back to the trash again and again, when I finished, I came back and asked if he needed help looking, he raised his head kind of shocked and quickly grabbed his keys, thanked me and jumped in his car and drove off.

OCD is a bitch and a huge part of the population suffers from it, you just never see it because you are so self absorbed about hiding what bugs you, you fail to see other people have issues too.
Besides dyslexic, guess what mine is?
I'll tell you, I have no patience for stupid people. I can accept ignorant, it's when they're too stupid and gullible to think on their own, and yet, they walk amongst us, they drive, they actually vote, they even breathe our air, and the left uses them for the puppets they are, but they're sooo damned stupid they have no clue they're helping the enemy of America.
And guess where many of them work? Govt. Yeah, they don't deserve the pay they make, and that pisses me off even more.

No, based on a comparative scale, you're normal, you're just a coward and found an excuse to enable that cowardice.
Look at the consequences. You get fired, some pencil necked geek yells at you, some geek with more issues that national geographic, a guy looking for someone he can abuse to make himself look better in his own eyes.
You find another job, you get fired, again and again until one day you find a fit. That's normal, everyone goes through it, or they work for themselves and suffer with less than min wage, but they don't have to contend with some loser looking for a victim.
That's it, you are afraid of failure! News Flash, welcome to the human race, everyone out there has the same damn fear, everyone out there finds a way to deal with it.

Guess how I deal with it...
I don't give a fuck what other people think of me. I really don't give a shit,, whether I created it or it's old age, don't know, don't care. Life isn't a race to see who simply survives, it's all about the journey, so you can either ride in a box with a bunch of plastic flowers destined for someone's headstone, or you can grab a spot and participate, your call.
Your issue is you give others too much power in how they effect you, take it back. Next time you're out in public, watch just how weird people act. it's better than a damned movie. They're all fucked up! :biggrin:
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Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2019, 06:20:48 AM
Don't care!
You actually think you're somehow special, that only you have fears, that only you have disabilities, that you are somehow unique in the world of employment.
No one gives a shit, that's life, get over yourself coward and get off your ass and fuckin fail like everyone else did until they find a place between happy and miserable that brings home some form of pay.


Which means abilities and disabilities are sliding scale.    If this is truth then do we not have people with disabilities that are more profound then others and so profound that it would make it to where they would not be able to succeed on their own? 

Do you have any clue just how many people out there have some form of affliction? More than half, and higher in women, by nature, because of hormones. When I go into town I always notice people with issue, be it physical or mental, we, by nature actually ignore them and that's natural.

1.  From where do you get your stats from?

2.  Here is where I get mine.  From the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  Or are you going to say that this is a left wing organization that credibility?

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/disabl.pdf

If one looks at Table A in the section entitled "Civilian noninstitutional population" you will see the amount of people with a disability broken down by age group.  You add the numbers for 2017 and you get 60702. 

If one looks at Table A in the section entitled "Civilian noninstitutional population" in the no disability section and add all of the numbers for 2017 you will get 449455.

Take 60702 and divide by 449455 you will receive the percent of people with disabilities which when rounded to the nearest whole number is about 14%.  You're saying more then half has some form of affliction or disability.  How in the fuck do you get your figure of more then half?  It's a bit under 1/8 and 1/8 does not equal to 1/2 or more then 1/2. 

Where are your numbers, statistics, and evidence Solar for this claim?

Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2019, 06:20:48 AM
I was getting fuel the other day and the guy on the other side of the pump appeared to have lost something, under the car, in the empty trash can, in the car, back to the trash again and again, when I finished, I came back and asked if he needed help looking, he raised his head kind of shocked and quickly grabbed his keys, thanked me and jumped in his car and drove off.

Your point?

Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2019, 06:20:48 AM

OCD is a bitch and a huge part of the population suffers from it, you just never see it because you are so self absorbed about hiding what bugs you, you fail to see other people have issues too.


And, you know this how?  Where is your evidence for you assertion?  Do you have numbers and data that backs this up?

And, as for being self-absorbed this requires its own thread as I don't agree with the idea that being self-absorbed is necessarily always a bad thing and that being others-absorbed, self-sacrificing, people-absorbed, selfless is necessarily always a good thing. 

Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2019, 06:20:48 AM
Besides dyslexic, guess what mine is?
I'll tell you, I have no patience for stupid people. I can accept ignorant, it's when they're too stupid and gullible to think on their own, and yet, they walk amongst us, they drive, they actually vote, they even breathe our air, and the left uses them for the puppets they are, but they're sooo damned stupid they have no clue they're helping the enemy of America.
And guess where many of them work? Govt. Yeah, they don't deserve the pay they make, and that pisses me off even more.

1.  Can you specifically define who America's enemies are in 2019 and why do you believe they're our enemies?

2.  How is "having no patience for stupid people" considered a disability?  I think having no patience for stupid people or in other words having this attitude that one is superior to others is a characteristic of Narcissism or at least one of the narcissistic traits in the DSM.  How did this affect your ability to make a living for yourself? 

Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2019, 06:20:48 AM
No, based on a comparative scale, you're normal, you're just a coward and found an excuse to enable that cowardice.


What comparative scale?  Who is the designer of this scale? 

Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2019, 06:20:48 AM
Look at the consequences. You get fired, some pencil necked geek yells at you, some geek with more issues that national geographic, a guy looking for someone he can abuse to make himself look better in his own eyes.
You find another job, you get fired, again and again until one day you find a fit. That's normal, everyone goes through it, or they work for themselves and suffer with less than min wage, but they don't have to contend with some loser looking for a victim.

The presumption you have is that I'm already in the gate and made it through.  When it comes to job searching for an autistic person such as myself it is the most confusing and confounding one has to go through.  A number of those such as myself couldn't even find the stadium to even swing the bat.  But apparently, ConservativeInCT says I've been doing it wrong all this time.  What exactly is the correct way to get a job so one can succeed or fail at it?  That's one of the problems.  You're telling me and others like myself to try.  Try what exactly?  Social Networking?  How?  How do I do that?

Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2019, 06:20:48 AM
That's it, you are afraid of failure! News Flash, welcome to the human race, everyone out there has the same damn fear, everyone out there finds a way to deal with it.

Obviously, they don't since some either commit suicide, end up in prison or end up in mental hospitals or group homes.  And, it presumes fear is the only thing that holds one back which it is not.

Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2019, 06:20:48 AM\
Guess how I deal with it...
I don't give a fuck what other people think of me. I really don't give a shit,, whether I created it or it's old age, don't know, don't care. Life isn't a race to see who simply survives, it's all about the journey, so you can either ride in a box with a bunch of plastic flowers destined for someone's headstone, or you can grab a spot and participate, your call.
Your issue is you give others too much power in how they effect you, take it back. Next time you're out in public, watch just how weird people act. it's better than a damned movie. They're all fucked up! :biggrin:

Let's presume I'm not disabled and I'm as normal as you say I am.  Let's assume everything you say is 100% absolutely correct.  You're saying it is all about the journey.  I've heard the phrase it's not the destination but the journey that matters.  What does that even fucking mean?  A journey for what?  What is the exact goal(s)?  What exactly is the point?  Is it b/c if I don't I will burn in hell meaning God says so?  Is it b/c society says so?  Nature or the universe?   In fact, what is the journey one is supposed to take? 

We all end up 6 feet under at some point.  When I saw my mother's dead body and a year or so after my uncle's I saw finality.  Especially, when I was invited up to see my Uncle's Dead body.  This was the end of their journey.  No matter what choices we make this is where we all end up at?  What was the point?  I finally realized after asking the question what is our purpose?  I finally realized our purpose was to end.  It matters not what we do in life we all reach the same point.  We're all predestined to end. 

alienhand

Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2019, 06:20:48 AM


Guess how I deal with it...
I don't give a fuck what other people think of me. I really don't give a shit,, whether I created it or it's old age, don't know, don't care. Life isn't a race to see who simply survives, it's all about the journey, so you can either ride in a box with a bunch of plastic flowers destined for someone's headstone, or you can grab a spot and participate, your call.
Your issue is you give others too much power in how they effect you, take it back. Next time you're out in public, watch just how weird people act. it's better than a damned movie. They're all fucked up! :biggrin:

I've heard this message growing up by various educators, family members and others.  This sort of message right here is one of the reasons why the youth of America are having so many issues.   A lot of today's youth follow this message religiously and without question to it.  We have things like fat acceptance.  Most of the older folks give this sort of message and advice without even thinking it through as to how the youth would even interpret it. 

My alternate advice is consider the source and situation.  Look at the content of what is being said and who is saying it.  Look at the situation as well.  Would you go into a job interview in your pajamas?   Or, would you look at the employment culture and attempt to dress to fit the part? 

Would you go into a job interview and start speaking all kinds of slang with the ni**a word every 5 seconds coming out of your mouth or would you speak with correct grammatical english?   Maybe in the hip hop culture it may work but in a fortune 500 company I doubt it.

This whole idea of never giving a fuck about what others think of you is one of the the most stupid advice that the youth have ever heard. 

Consider the source and situation.  That's what they need to do.  If it's dumb fuck billy bob who makes fun of a pimple you have you can dismiss him and not even care what he thinks.

ConservativeInCT

Quote from: alienhand on January 22, 2019, 03:50:38 AM
I've heard this message growing up by various educators, family members and others.  This sort of message right here is one of the reasons why the youth of America are having so many issues.   A lot of today's youth follow this message religiously and without question to it.  We have things like fat acceptance.  Most of the older folks give this sort of message and advice without even thinking it through as to how the youth would even interpret it. 

My alternate advice is consider the source and situation.  Look at the content of what is being said and who is saying it.  Look at the situation as well.  Would you go into a job interview in your pajamas?   Or, would you look at the employment culture and attempt to dress to fit the part? 

Would you go into a job interview and start speaking all kinds of slang with the ni**a word every 5 seconds coming out of your mouth or would you speak with correct grammatical english?   Maybe in the hip hop culture it may work but in a fortune 500 company I doubt it.

This whole idea of never giving a fuck about what others think of you is one of the the most stupid advice that the youth have ever heard. 

Consider the source and situation.  That's what they need to do.  If it's dumb fuck billy bob who makes fun of a pimple you have you can dismiss him and not even care what he thinks.

When taken on its face, yes. Your point of going into an interview in your pajamas or using racial slurs when applying for a fortune five hundred job are applicable. Personally I don't care what people think of me. Being someone who was bullied in high school I look at my situation now and consider myself to be better off then most of the kids who bullied me when I was younger. I just think there is a deeper meaning to this beyond the way you interpret it which is directly on it's face value. Telling kids not to care about how people see them is good advice because it promotes an attitude of individuality. Yes, there will be screw ups like in any society, but those are outliers. But eventually they will learn. It took me a while to figure this out after being kicked out of my house at eighteen but I came around and I've started making it.

I constantly worried about my inability to get a job in writing. Eventually, a friend of mine working in Journalism told me to not care about the way I write. to stick with my work and just go for it. I stopped giving a fuck about my worries and what people might say about it and applied to some content writing firms. Now I have a great job as a paid writer for a media company. That's how I see it. Had I not been able to get over the fears i built up inside me or listened to the few people who told me my writing wasn't good enough to be published, I would have never taken that step. Now I work a busy but great job I wake up every morning and enjoy.

Secondly, your argument of considering the source and situation is life 101. Aside from people I know who struggle with picking up on social cues, everyone I know understands the concept of 'time and place'. While there are people who just don't care about that, it wasn't because of the advice Solar gave. That's just their own ignorance, and they will suffer for it in their own way.

Solar

Quote from: alienhand on January 21, 2019, 11:50:08 PM
Which means abilities and disabilities are sliding scale.    If this is truth then do we not have people with disabilities that are more profound then others and so profound that it would make it to where they would not be able to succeed on their own? 

Do you have any clue just how many people out there have some form of affliction? More than half, and higher in women, by nature, because of hormones. When I go into town I always notice people with issue, be it physical or mental, we, by nature actually ignore them and that's natural.

1.  From where do you get your stats from?

2.  Here is where I get mine.  From the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  Or are you going to say that this is a left wing organization that credibility?

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/disabl.pdf

If one looks at Table A in the section entitled "Civilian noninstitutional population" you will see the amount of people with a disability broken down by age group.  You add the numbers for 2017 and you get 60702. 

If one looks at Table A in the section entitled "Civilian noninstitutional population" in the no disability section and add all of the numbers for 2017 you will get 449455.

Take 60702 and divide by 449455 you will receive the percent of people with disabilities which when rounded to the nearest whole number is about 14%.  You're saying more then half has some form of affliction or disability.  How in the fuck do you get your figure of more then half?  It's a bit under 1/8 and 1/8 does not equal to 1/2 or more then 1/2. 

Where are your numbers, statistics, and evidence Solar for this claim?

Your point?
And, you know this how?  Where is your evidence for you assertion?  Do you have numbers and data that backs this up?
Huumans are made up with all sorts of quirks, that's what makes us individuals. I have mild OCD, I was also diagnosed as ADHD as a child, but unlike those that claim it a handicap, I saw it as a gift, just like my OCD, which allows me to focus deeply on a problem, while others see it as the inability to control their behaviors.
Yes, I could have gone the route of disabled and gotten a govt welfare check, but most people simply find a way to cope, so we do not fall under govt stats.

You can't use govt statistics because they don't include those who work with functioning disabilities. There is a huge percentage out there that are self reliant and want no part of govt in their lives.
Commonsense is what I use, that and all the people I have known over the decades that in spite of their inabilities, still found a way to earn a living.
As you could do if someone hadn't pounded into your head that you'll never amount to anything.


QuoteAnd, as for being self-absorbed this requires its own thread as I don't agree with the idea that being self-absorbed is necessarily always a bad thing and that being others-absorbed, self-sacrificing, people-absorbed, selfless is necessarily always a good thing. 
This is what I was talking about, you derail your own threads by going off in another direction. Try not being so literal and read it for the simple comment it is.

Quote1.  Can you specifically define who America's enemies are in 2019 and why do you believe they're our enemies?
You've been here how long, and you still don't know that Communism is alive and well on the left?


Quote2.  How is "having no patience for stupid people" considered a disability?  I think having no patience for stupid people or in other words having this attitude that one is superior to others is a characteristic of Narcissism or at least one of the narcissistic traits in the DSM.  How did this affect your ability to make a living for yourself? 

Again stop being so damned literal and reread what I said in whole!

QuoteWhat comparative scale?  Who is the designer of this scale?
Damn man, it was a metaphor. Stop trying to read something that isn't there, take what I say as a whole and stop trying to apply it as if the govt had done a study, it's simple commonsense.

QuoteThe presumption you have is that I'm already in the gate and made it through.  When it comes to job searching for an autistic person such as myself it is the most confusing and confounding one has to go through.  A number of those such as myself couldn't even find the stadium to even swing the bat.  But apparently, ConservativeInCT says I've been doing it wrong all this time.  What exactly is the correct way to get a job so one can succeed or fail at it?  That's one of the problems.  You're telling me and others like myself to try.  Try what exactly?  Social Networking?  How?  How do I do that?
Here's how mostt people see the issue. We see it in whole, we need a job, we look for a job.
You on the other hand, break it all down, as if there are millions of variables, when there is not.
You get dressed, eat, leave the house and ask for a job, you don't tell them you are disabled, you get the job first, if they complain, apologize and say I guess I can be stupid at times and keep working.
You get up in the morning and antagonize over what you should wear, what to eat, am I smiling too much, in other words you focus on too many trivialities when you should be thinking in the positive.
I'm assuming this from what you've written in the past.
Most of us just go out and look to see who is hiring, pack a lunch and know that we'll be rejected 99% of the time but eventually be hired, and it most likely won''t be what we wanted, but we don't care, because it's a damn job, it's freedom!


QuoteObviously, they don't since some either commit suicide, end up in prison or end up in mental hospitals or group homes.  And, it presumes fear is the only thing that holds one back which it is not.
This is true, some people don't and turn to crime, while others give up and quit the game of life.

QuoteLet's presume I'm not disabled and I'm as normal as you say I am.  Let's assume everything you say is 100% absolutely correct.  You're saying it is all about the journey.  I've heard the phrase it's not the destination but the journey that matters.  What does that even fucking mean?  A journey for what?  What is the exact goal(s)?  What exactly is the point?  Is it b/c if I don't I will burn in hell meaning God says so?  Is it b/c society says so?  Nature or the universe?   In fact, what is the journey one is supposed to take?

Live. Die, that's life, what happens in between is the journey, what you make of it is life, your failures make the journey interesting, but learning from your failures makes the journey worth living.
Sitting on you ass is akin to being stalled in traffic, you go nowhere, you're in the way so you pull off to the side of the road and watch traffic go by, people with goals and destinations, all the while you sit idle in the safety of your seat.
Is that what you want out of life, are you too afraid to get out there in the flow and see where it takes you, or is it your destiny to simply observe, like watching a movie?

QuoteWe all end up 6 feet under at some point.  When I saw my mother's dead body and a year or so after my uncle's I saw finality.  Especially, when I was invited up to see my Uncle's Dead body.  This was the end of their journey.  No matter what choices we make this is where we all end up at?  What was the point?  I finally realized after asking the question what is our purpose?  I finally realized our purpose was to end.  It matters not what we do in life we all reach the same point.  We're all predestined to end.

Yes, but what did you, as an individual, accomplish? Did you over come a single fear, did you love, hate, procreate, get a dog, pet a cow?
All of this is part of life, all accomplishments, small or big are a part of the journey, but conquering personal challenges, even the tiniest add to the value that is your life. 
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Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
Huumans are made up with all sorts of quirks, that's what makes us individuals. I have mild OCD, I was also diagnosed as ADHD as a child, but unlike those that claim it a handicap, I saw it as a gift, just like my OCD, which allows me to focus deeply on a problem, while others see it as the inability to control their behaviors.
Yes, I could have gone the route of disabled and gotten a govt welfare check, but most people simply find a way to cope, so we do not fall under govt stats.


The thing is what you fail to understand is this.  Yes, you do see it as a gift but others saw it as a gift as well.   Others chose to see it that way as well.  In our society, Autism and the traits of it is seen as a stigma and a liability by others especially a number of employers.  It doesn't matter how I see myself especially if others outside of myself make decisions that influence the decisions and choices I have. 

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
You can't use govt statistics because they don't include those who work with functioning disabilities. There is a huge percentage out there that are self reliant and want no part of govt in their lives.


What do you mean by functioning disabilities?  Do you mean those with disabilities who are employed and providing themselves a living?  If this is what you mean then the Bureau of Labor Statistics does include this as well.  If not, I don't know what you mean.

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
Commonsense is what I use, that and all the people I have known over the decades that in spite of their inabilities, still found a way to earn a living.


Well, let's look up what common sense is.  I looked in your 19th century and it doesn't have it.  I doubt you mean the book from Thomas Paine.   Common sense is sound practical judgment concerning everyday matters, or a basic ability to perceive, understand, and judge that is shared by ("common to") nearly all people.[1]

Let's go by this wikipedia definition.  It seems like it would make the most sense for me even though wikpedia is probably not the best definition but I think it fits what I'm trying to convey.    I don't know what you would say it is.

The problem with common sense at least for myself that I can put in the most simplistic of terms is that I see a red world while you see a green world.  Most people may be different in their shade of red but they still see the red world.  Or better yet, imagine we all do see a red world and we all see differing shades of red.  But, why can't most of the population see shades of red in a range while I and others like me see a different shades of red.  My very perception of the real world is not exactly universal to others.   The differences are more striking.  Even the definition says "nearly all people."  Can we consider those like myself as part of nearly all people or as in statistics within 2 standard deviations or am I an extreme outlier. 

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
As you could do if someone hadn't pounded into your head that you'll never amount to anything.

How do you know what was pounded into my head or not?   Have you ever experienced my life growing up?   Do you even know me personally? 

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
This is what I was talking about, you derail your own threads by going off in another direction. Try not being so literal and read it for the simple comment it is.

And, if I don't understand or grasp the simple comment and don't realize I don't understand or grasp the simple comment?  Then what?   You say try not being so literal.   How?  How do I do this?  You're asking a blind man to see. 

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
You've been here how long, and you still don't know that Communism is alive and well on the left?

And, what drove those on the left to become leftists in the first place?  What drove them to embrace the philosophy?   My opinion.  The answer to this based upon what they say or at least some of them say is that they got fucked over by following advice given to them by those who were in charge like their parents, educators, and their communities in the adult world. 

Here is a definition of socialism.  It is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

https://www.google.com/search?q=socialism&oq=socialism&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1285j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

First, unless I am mistaken and misperceiving things I don't think anyone except a minor group of people advocate the means of production, distribution and exchange should be "OWNED" by the government.

Second, isn't regulation inherent to the Constitution or am I misunderstanding what the interstate commerce clause means?  Let's you have two parties.  A person or business owner dumps his sludge down the river and you own land in another state which the river flows near.  Should the business owner of the land in the state above me be allowed to dump his sludge which goes down the river and damages the land own or part of the river I own?  Wouldn't that business owner upstream violate my property rights?  Or let's look at pollution on a global scale and climate change and let's assume it is true and we as man is causing it.  Aren't people's property rights around the world being violated by others?  So, why wouldn't we put regulations and referee the whole situation to curtail this just like the river example?  So, why is socialism and regulation absolutely evil if it would help to protect our God given rights more specifically property rights?

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
Again stop being so damned literal and reread what I said in whole!

How?

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
Damn man, it was a metaphor. Stop trying to read something that isn't there, take what I say as a whole and stop trying to apply it as if the govt had done a study, it's simple commonsense.

How?   And, are you saying that you're going by your own experiences? Is this what you're talking about.  If we're all different then wouldn't all of our experiences have differences to them especially if we all come from differing backgrounds?  Unless I'm mistaken then it seems like what you're saying is that your experiences proves the whole.  This is called a hasty generalization which is a logical fallacy.  Unless I don't fully understand the concept then wouldn't you need more of a stronger sample then just a minority (yourself)?  It's like you're saying that most of the jelly beans in your area that you've eaten is red.  Therefore all or the vast majority is red.  Where is the proof for the generalization that you have made?  I looked up the government study from the Bureau of Labor Stats and it looks like the data was collected by the Census Bureau.  Unless I'm mistaken don't they go to different places around the country at random thereby eliminating as much bias as possible. 
 
Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
Here's how mostt people see the issue. We see it in whole, we need a job, we look for a job.

Without ever questioning what they're doing, what is it for in the end and why.  What is the point?

You on the other hand, break it all down, as if there are millions of variables, when there is not.

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Does not perceiving the variables mean that they don't exist.  There was a time that people didn't accept that germs existed but not the knowledge of germs is every day common knowledge or well common sense. 

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
You get dressed, eat, leave the house and ask for a job, you don't tell them you are disabled, you get the job first, if they complain, apologize and say I guess I can be stupid at times and keep working.



You get up in the morning and antagonize over what you should wear, what to eat, am I smiling too much, in other words you focus on too many trivialities when you should be thinking in the positive.


This assumes that you're even allowed at the gate. If one misunderstands the questions on their personality tests or gets one comma wrong or misspells one word on your job application or resume you are out.    Or, they accept you once you're at the gate and the interview starts and we're rejected based upon our personalities and our non-verbal language.  Do you realize that employers require these trivialities like eye contact or a firm hand shake.  Or, if I speak like Ben Stein.  Even you said if one has the personality of a saltine cracker more then likely one will not get the job.   You say I should quit worrying about these things and think in the positive.  Are employers going to do the exact same thing?  Are they themselves going to quit worrying about these trivialities and all of these social pleasantries?   What positives do you expect me and others who are having similar difficulties or greater to think in exactly? 

This is why I think it is to simplistic to claim that life is what we make it.  It is what others make it as well especially those who make the rules, guard the doors and keys and own the gold. 

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
I'm assuming this from what you've written in the past.

Or you're interpretation of what I've written in the past. 
Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
Most of us just go out and look to see who is hiring, pack a lunch and know that we'll be rejected 99% of the time but eventually be hired, and it most likely won''t be what we wanted, but we don't care, because it's a damn job, it's freedom!

This assumes that everyone gets to bat. 

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
This is true, some people don't and turn to crime, while others give up and quit the game of life.

Obviously, not everyone was able to adapt to life or to make it work.
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Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
Live. Die, that's life, what happens in between is the journey, what you make of it is life, your failures make the journey interesting, but learning from your failures makes the journey worth living.

And, who or what defines what is success and failure?  Do I have any say in the definitions or or all of this defined by others?  By law and the constitution I do indeed but socially do I really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lonely_Crowd

Is our society truthfully inner-directed?  Or is it really other-directed?  Who or what defines what masculinity is or what an Alpha man is?  I've been going to various youtube about complaining about how men are more betas then alphas.  Alphas have certain traits and Betas have certain traits.  In our society, do I get to define what these things, like what it means to be a man, for myself or are these things defined by others? 

If not, then how do I control my life and how is life what I make it especially if it is other directed?

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
Sitting on you ass is akin to being stalled in traffic, you go nowhere, you're in the way so you pull off to the side of the road and watch traffic go by, people with goals and destinations, all the while you sit idle in the safety of your seat.

Or, maybe I'm waiting for the road to clear up a bit before I can go anywhere.  Sometimes that's the best move to make. 

Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2019, 07:27:55 AM
Is that what you want out of life, are you too afraid to get out there in the flow and see where it takes you, or is it your destiny to simply observe, like watching a movie?

Destiny precludes choice.  Are certain things one's destiny or do I have choices?

And, what if one doesn't understand or get the flow?

I don't even get your wording here.

But, I will state what I wish.  I wish to be able to know what is the right way to go for myself and have the ability to being able to do that.   What I wish in simplistic terms is to be able to take 2 + 2 and make 4. 



Yes, but what did you, as an individual, accomplish? Did you over come a single fear, did you love, hate, procreate, get a dog, pet a cow?
All of this is part of life, all accomplishments, small or big are a part of the journey, but conquering personal challenges, even the tiniest add to the value that is your life.
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Quote from: alienhand on January 22, 2019, 11:00:53 PM

What did I tell you about getting lost in the weeds? And here you are, looking for roots and worms now?
You're going the wrong way, look up, see the big picture. And you still haven't answered my question. "What are you afraid of, in getting a job", or is menial somehow below you?
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Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2019, 05:39:58 AM
What did I tell you about getting lost in the weeds? And here you are, looking for roots and worms now?
You're going the wrong way, look up, see the big picture. And you still haven't answered my question. "What are you afraid of, in getting a job", or is menial somehow below you?

I don't know how to see the bigger picture.

I did answer your question.

I'm not afraid of being employed.  No job is below me that I'm competent to do and no job is below me that employers are willing to hire me for.  If a job does not meet either of these two criteria then it is below me.  There is your answer.

Solar

Quote from: alienhand on January 23, 2019, 06:55:01 PM
I don't know how to see the bigger picture.

I did answer your question.

I'm not afraid of being employed.  No job is below me that I'm competent to do and no job is below me that employers are willing to hire me for.  If a job does not meet either of these two criteria then it is below me.  There is your answer.
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Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
Janitorial companies are hurting for people.

They only hire people "who can't speak English" to do a lousy job.
With all these lawyers with cameras on the street i'm shocked we have so much crime in the world.

There is constitutional law and there is law and order. This challenge to law and order is always the start to loosing our constitutional rights.

Frauditors are a waste of life.

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Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
Janitorial companies are hurting for people.

And, if I submit my job application and/or resume to them and it is the same wash, rinse, repeat of not even giving me a response at all then what?  Be more positive?  Never give up?  I've even applied to being a bell boy a few times.  No response at all.

SO, How in the fuck do I take responsibility for my life exactly?

Solar

Quote from: alienhand on January 23, 2019, 08:02:17 PM
And, if I submit my job application and/or resume to them and it is the same wash, rinse, repeat of not even giving me a response at all then what?  Be more positive?  Never give up?  I've even applied to being a bell boy a few times.  No response at all.

SO, How in the fuck do I take responsibility for my life exactly?
Yeah, what the fuck was I thinking? Of course, give it, be a quitter, isn't that what your generation was raised to do?
Or, you could do like everyone else who wants a job, go in person, build a rapport, get to know the people, in other words, make friends, and eventually they will hire you.
Take someone a cup of coffee and see if that doesn't help. Persistence always wins out because they see that you actually want to work there.
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Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2019, 08:07:24 PM
Yeah, what the fuck was I thinking? Of course, give it, be a quitter, isn't that what your generation was raised to do?

I already explained what the younger gens were raised to do and not do.

Quote from: Solar on January 23, 2019, 08:07:24 PM
Or, you could do like everyone else who wants a job, go in person, build a rapport, get to know the people, in other words, make friends, and eventually they will hire you.
Take someone a cup of coffee and see if that doesn't help. Persistence always wins out because they see that you actually want to work there.

Do you not realize what autism spectrum disorders are and what their core features are? 

In other words play the social networking game?  HOW?

Solar

Quote from: alienhand on January 23, 2019, 09:21:17 PM
I already explained what the younger gens were raised to do and not do.

Do you not realize what autism spectrum disorders are and what their core features are? 

In other words play the social networking game?  HOW?
That's not social or a game, it's trying to get a job. Hell, I don't care if you make them feel sorry for you like a lost kitten, you do whatever it takes to get a job, cry beg or blackmail, when it comes to feeding yourself, you alone are responsible for that.
Like I said, get out of the weeds, quit over thinking everything and do what your gut tells you.
You do grasp the concept of right and wrong, Right? And who gives a shit you you embarrass yourself, some women find that charming, a type of innocence,, even endearing.
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Quote from: Solar on January 24, 2019, 05:59:30 AM
That's not social or a game, it's trying to get a job. Hell, I don't care if you make them feel sorry for you like a lost kitten, you do whatever it takes to get a job, cry beg or blackmail, when it comes to feeding yourself, you alone are responsible for that.
Like I said, get out of the weeds, quit over thinking everything and do what your gut tells you.
You do grasp the concept of right and wrong, Right? And who gives a shit you you embarrass yourself, some women find that charming, a type of innocence,, even endearing.

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You do realize you're giving me mixed signals and mixed messages?   

Which is it?  Am I supposed to be moral and upright or am I not?