You're not alone. It was ably said long ago that there are two things in life that one must never see: the making of sausage, or the making of laws in the U.S. Congress.
Oh my, I've seen the making of a sausage But when I say I find American politics odd...consider something like healthcare: everybody here supports the NHS; liberals, socialists, and conservatives alike (though all have different ideas on how to improve it) but in the States public health care is an exclusively liberal/socialist position I think. Also liberal and socialist seem to mean the same thing and I cannot emphasize how WEIRD that is to me.
How is that weird? Here in the US, it's now gotten to the point, if you're a liberal Progressive, you're a Marxist. It really is that simple.
It's just weird because liberals here are very different from socialists. Liberals support free trade, free market, and individualism. Socialists tend to favor greater state intervention into unprofitable industries, confusing regulation and a nationalization of the means of production. Conservatives are really big on barriers to free trade, security, and strong borders. Each label is different from the other.
I believe there is a confusion about the naming of different political concepts made in the public intentionally in order to mislead the people. Meaning of the words are being intentionally turned upside down. What we call "liberal" in Europe still usually means "classical liberal", while in America "classical liberals" are now being called "libertarians", which term is not in use in Europe, and that is because the modern Americans who call themselves "liberals" are actually the very opposite of being liberal, they are authoritarian socialists. People are being mislead that "conservative" and "liberal" are opposite to each other, which is not true. Here is a short explanation of some opposite political ideas.Authoritarian vs. LiberalConservative vs. ProgressiveNationalist vs. InternationalistSo, for example, American conservatives (Republicans) are also liberal nationalists. They are conservative because they want to preserve the Constitution, and that Constitution is liberal, in meaning that it protects individual liberty, and they are also nationalists because they love their nation the best and are not being much interested in the rest of the world. Their opposite side (Democrats) are therefore progressive authoritarian internationalists. They are progressive because they want to change the Constitutional values to something they believe is better, they are authoritarian because they want more state intervention over the life of an individual, and they are internationalists because they are, well, Marxist. But I am aware that the term "nationalist" has a negative meaning in America, don't know why. If they love their nation, then they are nationalists, at least from the European perspective, where nationalist usually equals patriotic.
Castro and Mussolini were Nationalists, so relative to recent times, the term takes on a militaristic meaning, one carrying the connotation of a coup.
Oh, thank you for this explanation. I was struggling to understand why for example calling Vladimir Putin a nationalist would have had a negative meaning. In Europe, only communists and "progressives/liberals" are against nationalism, and if you came to Europe and talked against nationalism, everyone would have assumed you were a commie or a "progressive/liberal". Because communists and "progressives/liberals" are globalists, they believe in international communist revolution and a global government which should control the world, while on the other side nationalists are anti-communists and anti-globalists, they believe in preservation of traditional and conservative values.
It's funny in a way, but the only reason libs here are different from libs in Europe, is their need to usurp new monikers to confuse the masses.Conservatives have always known who we are, but liberals have changed their name on a regular basis, latest being Progressives until its history was exposed as Marxists. What they use next is anyone's guess.From an American's POV, we've watched nation's collapsed by communists/socialists via a claim for Democracy by dividing the nation and driving it into anarchy, (part of the plan) then the Commies come back in under another moniker, claim this group or that group as the enemy eg. Hitler and the Jews, then rally the nation under the nationalist banner and once in control plunge it into a dictatorship.It's one thing to have nationalist pride, it's another to be a Nationalist. Just look at some Nationalist sites, you'll the hand of anarchists driving them into division, into extremist groups, this is just one of the steps in divide and conquer.America is unique, in that we are a mixed bag of cultures under the banner of shared values of liberty and Freedom, and in order to destroy this harmony, one needs to pit one group against another and racism is an excellent place to start, as evidenced by Black Lives matter, convince people they are the victims, while white people experience hate, further driving them together as a group and the division continues. Yes, we know where Nationalism leads, even though by itself it's a great thing overall, assuming all races and cultures share its true meaning as a homogeneous society.
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