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College isn't that darn expensive. You're telling me that you can't get a PT job and make the $700 a month it takes to cover tuition and books?

We've already got Pell Grants and stuff. What else do we need?



I would rather we sooner guarantee students a campus job paying $500 than making college free all together.

Or maybe cap the cost of books, those are expensive for no reason...

How about we force Govt to quit stealing tax payer dollars to subsidize colleges and let them compete on merit?
As to books? So called Professors write their own books then force their students to buy them to attend class.

There was a time when all students learned the truth, now they're just indoctrinated. But not to worry, without tax dollars, many of these schools will be forced to actually teach, especially when one considers the costs compared to trade schools.

Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2019, 11:40:06 AM
How about we force Govt to quit stealing tax payer dollars to subsidize colleges and let them compete on merit?
As to books? So called Professors write their own books then force their students to buy them to attend class.

There was a time when all students learned the truth, now they're just indoctrinated. But not to worry, without tax dollars, many of these schools will be forced to actually teach, especially when one considers the costs compared to trade schools.

When was this time?

Quote from: joesixpack on December 05, 2019, 12:00:36 PM
When was this time?

To answer your question of the thread: NO!!! College is not a requirement to success. More so today than anytime in my lifetime. College is an opportunity. Does it require funding? Of course, but there are ways to fund it outside the government. My folks funded my college degree and I worked during the summer. I had a plan to get a degree that would get me a job - and it did. It was a business degree with a double major in real estate and insurance. I had two job offers, one in real estate appraisal and another as an insurance underwriter. I chose the insurance route as it offered me a location I preferred. It turned into a 40+ year career in insurance.

As for your "When was the time" question. I was in college in the early 60's at a state university in the south. I do not recall any far leftist rants from any of the faculty I experienced. I am grateful for that.

Quote from: supsalemgr on December 05, 2019, 12:15:09 PM
To answer your question of the thread: NO!!! College is not a requirement to success. More so today than anytime in my lifetime. College is an opportunity. Does it require funding? Of course, but there are ways to fund it outside the government. My folks funded my college degree and I worked during the summer. I had a plan to get a degree that would get me a job - and it did. It was a business degree with a double major in real estate and insurance. I had two job offers, one in real estate appraisal and another as an insurance underwriter. I chose the insurance route as it offered me a location I preferred. It turned into a 40+ year career in insurance.

As for your "When was the time" question. I was in college in the early 60's at a state university in the south. I do not recall any far leftist rants from any of the faculty I experienced. I am grateful for that.

I was in college in the early 2000s in a state university in the south as well. I didn't hear any rants either.

Quote from: joesixpack on December 05, 2019, 12:00:36 PM
When was this time?

The 60s and very early 70s.

Quote from: joesixpack on December 05, 2019, 12:17:28 PM
I was in college in the early 2000s in a state university in the south as well. I didn't hear any rants either.

Of course you didn't, you were already brainwashed.

Got a thread created just for you and your ilk.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/challenge-for-liberals/

Quote from: joesixpack on December 05, 2019, 11:35:24 AM
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College isn't that darn expensive. You're telling me that you can't get a PT job and make the $700 a month it takes to cover tuition and books?

We've already got Pell Grants and stuff. What else do we need?



I would rather we sooner guarantee students a campus job paying $500 than making college free all together.

Or maybe cap the cost of books, those are expensive for no reason...

By asking " should it be free" are you asking should the professors, grounds keepers, janitors, cooks, ect. all work for free so the student does not have to pay????? Or are you asking "should somebody else, other than the student who will get the benefits of an education, pay for it??

The requirement of college, and the dependency on college in recent decades is shameful. Yes, it is true that a lot of jobs these days require you to have a degree, as the labor force becomes more advanced and automated, college will become more of a necessity. Should it be free though? Of course not.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on December 05, 2019, 01:11:06 PM
The requirement of college, and the dependency on college in recent decades is shameful. Yes, it is true that a lot of jobs these days require you to have a degree, as the labor force becomes more advanced and automated, college will become more of a necessity. Should it be free though? Of course not.

Look up trade schools. Aside from doctors, you can find any number of trade schools for a fraction of the price, shorter time in school and guaranteed placement.
Colleges are pricing themselves out of the Mkt.

Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2019, 01:25:10 PM
Look up trade schools. Aside from doctors, you can find any number of trade schools for a fraction of the price, shorter time in school and guaranteed placement.
Colleges are pricing themselves out of the Mkt.

Good point. There are a lot of good, cheaper options for people to go and get educated and certified. The system has just become bloated. Call me a radical on this, but I don't think we should have higher education at all. Practical skills training for a career is something I support completely. Eliminate these bloated, indoctrination hell holes and allow fresh graduates to choose what they want to do and peruse it through private company training and employment.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on December 05, 2019, 01:28:21 PM
Good point. There are a lot of good, cheaper options for people to go and get educated and certified. The system has just become bloated. Call me a radical on this, but I don't think we should have higher education at all. Practical skills training for a career is something I support completely. Eliminate these bloated, indoctrination hell holes and allow fresh graduates to choose what they want to do and peruse it through private company training and employment.

Exactly!!! Teacher wages are out of control! Trade schools pay their teachers according to profit sharing along with a reasonable base wage.

Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2019, 01:39:51 PM
Exactly!!! Teacher wages are out of control! Trade schools pay their teachers according to profit sharing along with a reasonable base wage.

I don't know where Joe gets off saying colleges should pay students for a campus job though. That's nonsense.

One intervention begets the next. Intervention by the Bush administration skyrocketed the costs of higher education. Every single time they intervene in something, they distort the mechanisms that determine prices. The scariest thing is that they knew this would be the natural consequence and did it anyway. Why else remove the ability for individuals to discharge the debt in bankruptcy?

Quote from: joesixpack on December 05, 2019, 11:35:24 AM
We're having this debate at work today...



College isn't that darn expensive. You're telling me that you can't get a PT job and make the $700 a month it takes to cover tuition and books?

We've already got Pell Grants and stuff. What else do we need?



I would rather we sooner guarantee students a campus job paying $500 than making college free all together.

Or maybe cap the cost of books, those are expensive for no reason...

Eighty Years ago every Public High School provided a better education than Liberal Arts Colleges do today.

DISIPLINE AND STANDARDS MUST BE RE-INTRODUCED.