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Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Solar on December 15, 2012, 06:15:59 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 06:02:11 AM
Great Googly Mooglies, a Pshaw, holy moly, and an aw shucks all thrown in for good measure. 'Tis the Dude. Welcome Young Grasshopper!
From what fields was he uh chewin on thar Shooter?
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: walkstall on December 15, 2012, 06:17:52 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 06:02:11 AM
Great Googly Mooglies, a Pshaw, holy moly, and an aw shucks all thrown in for good measure. 'Tis the Dude. Welcome Young Grasshopper!


The Dude abides.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: njdudeabides on December 15, 2012, 06:19:00 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 06:02:11 AM
Great Googly Mooglies, a Pshaw, holy moly, and an aw shucks all thrown in for good measure. 'Tis the Dude. Welcome Young Grasshopper!

Thank You sir, glad to see you are here as well!
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: walkstall on December 15, 2012, 06:31:16 AM
Quote from: njdudeabides on December 15, 2012, 06:19:00 AM
Thank You sir, glad to see you are here as well!


The Young Grasshopper and the Old Grasshopper!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 06:57:19 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2012, 06:15:59 AM
From what fields was he uh chewin on thar Shooter?

The Admin's alter ego forum. CF.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: PeterR on December 15, 2012, 08:39:55 AM
Quote from: walkstall on December 14, 2012, 07:45:41 PM

Why does Boo get to have all the fun?

Because he's blonde?
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: a777pilot on December 15, 2012, 08:49:32 AM
Quote from: njdudeabides on December 15, 2012, 06:19:00 AM
Thank You sir, glad to see you are here as well!

Pray tell, where else do you two hoppers post?
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Patriot on December 15, 2012, 09:12:33 AM
Quote from: a777pilot on December 15, 2012, 08:49:32 AM
Pray tell, where else do you two hoppers post?
Several of us moved up in the world.  No point in going back or encouraging others.   :wink:
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 09:26:05 AM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 15, 2012, 09:12:33 AM
Several of us moved up in the world.  No point in going back or encouraging others.   :wink:

Quite the contrary. I still post there, and on one other primary forum. I am members or have been members on so many, I've lost count.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Patriot on December 15, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 09:26:05 AM
Quite the contrary. I still post there, and on one other primary forum. I am members or have been members on so many, I've lost count.

Fair enough.  I wasn't thinking of you in particular although I quoted someone who did refer to you.  My bad.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 09:46:52 AM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 15, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
Fair enough.  I wasn't thinking of you in particular although I quoted someone who did refer to you.  My bad.

No problem. Forums are like women; get tired of one, wear her out, or wear your welcome out, and go find one that's a little different.

Start the cycle over.(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg6%2F2140%2Flaughingchimpi.gif&hash=f79e13924722c5a1cc7360d9eb0f50b95120fa3d)
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Solar on December 15, 2012, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 06:57:19 AM
The Admin's alter ego forum. CF.
I thought that was ....damn, can't remember his name, the guy that took over when Terry left (Proudvet)?
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 11:03:25 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2012, 10:35:30 AM
I thought that was ....damn, can't remember his name, the guy that took over when Terry left (Proudvet)?

Yeah, Terry is Proudvet. Byrdie pretty much ran things for a while, and still has a lot of input. Good man- been friends a long time. Several other mods, but Wayne, another good man, runs it now. Admin sticks his nose in occasionally.

Truthfully, I always liked PV and thought we were friends, then in December of '06, he banned Pepe and I for being disruptive- we hammered Bush and the PUBS for not doing what we sent them to do. The handwriting about the impending financial disaster was evident, even back then. Shortly after, Samcat, a mod, but far from being a pro-Israeli Neo-Con and said so, left. Never did quite understand why.

I snuck back in a couple of times just to prove I could- the last time I was made pretty early because of my MO, so I confessed and Wayne didn't care.

They still primarily hate the libertarian viewpoint, and Neo-Cons seem to rule the roost.

Speaking of sneaking back in, Darwinist is openly posting on the Loose Nut Forum, seemingly with Admin's approval.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Patriot on December 15, 2012, 11:12:12 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 11:03:25 AM
Yeah, Terry is Proudvet. Byrdie pretty much ran things for a while, and still has a lot of input. Good man- been friends a long time. Several other mods, but Wayne, another good man, runs it now. Admin sticks his nose in occasionally.

Truthfully, I always liked PV and thought we were friends, then in December of '06, he banned Pepe and I for being disruptive- we hammered Bush and the PUBS for not doing what we sent them to do. The handwriting about the impending financial disaster was evident, even back then. Shortly after, Samcat, a mod, but far from being a pro-Israeli Neo-Con and said so, left. Never did quite understand why.

I snuck back in a couple of times just to prove I could- the last time I was made pretty early because of my MO, so I confessed and Wayne didn't care.

They still primarily hate the libertarian viewpoint, and Neo-Cons seem to rule the roost.

Speaking of sneaking back in, Darwinist is openly posting on the Loose Nut Forum, seemingly with Admin's approval.

Wayne is a good guy over there and tries to keep the peace, but as you say they certainly hate the libertarian viewpoint.  Byrdie has told several who posted those themes that it was not welcome on that board.  That included me when I posted a thread that suggested the GOP focus on economics and limited government and let other organizations focus on social issues.  I made it a point to not take any specific positions on social values, but expressed concern that the GOP was losing voters.  No problem bashing the Dems, but if you suggest there should be some soul searching, then problems if you don't tow their line.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 15, 2012, 11:12:12 AM
Wayne is a good guy over there and tries to keep the peace, but as you say they certainly hate the libertarian viewpoint.  Byrdie has told several who posted those themes that it was not welcome on that board.  That included me when I posted a thread that suggested the GOP focus on economics and limited government and let other organizations focus on social issues.  I made it a point to not take any specific positions on social values, but expressed concern that the GOP was losing voters.  No problem bashing the Dems, but if you suggest there should be some soul searching, then problems if you don't tow their line.

Try to understand where Byrdie is coming from.  I don't believe I am speaking out of turn to say this, but Byrdie was an addict for many years, damned near ruined his life and then got clean 20 or more years ago and has stayed that way. He has liver problems now because of it and consequently, has absolutely zero tolerance for drugs. It spills over into the his dislike for libertarian thought as that equates to him druggies. I understand that after knowing him on forums for so many years, so because of that understanding, I do not push it as far as others do. I have never met Byrd face to face, but consider him a very good friend. So I say what I say, he knows where I stand, and I just let a lot slide.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: njdudeabides on December 15, 2012, 01:32:03 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 12:03:03 PM
Try to understand where Byrdie is coming from.  I don't believe I am speaking out of turn to say this, but Byrdie was an addict for many years, damned near ruined his life and then got clean 20 or more years ago and has stayed that way. He has liver problems now because of it and consequently, has absolutely zero tolerance for drugs. It spills over into the his dislike for libertarian thought as that equates to him druggies. I understand that after knowing him on forums for so many years, so because of that understanding, I do not push it as far as others do. I have never met Byrd face to face, but consider him a very good friend. So I say what I say, he knows where I stand, and I just let a lot slide.

I never had an issue with Byrdie over there. In fact, 95% of the folks on the other forum were more than kind to me. I left because someone told me this forum was also great, and I needed a change of pace. Even when I have disagreed with you and a few others, I've always felt a certain kinship there. But, I feel, based on the posts I've read here, that here is where I belong and here is where I intend to stay.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 01:48:59 PM
Quote from: njdudeabides on December 15, 2012, 01:32:03 PM
I never had an issue with Byrdie over there. In fact, 95% of the folks on the other forum were more than kind to me. I left because someone told me this forum was also great, and I needed a change of pace. Even when I have disagreed with you and a few others, I've always felt a certain kinship there. But, I feel, based on the posts I've read here, that here is where I belong and here is where I intend to stay.

I am glad you're here, Dude, but a small word of advice, if I may. Let this be a learning experience for you. Some of these guys are pretty strong in their thinking, slipping of the track occasionally as we all do. Also keep in mind, some of these folks are tougher than anything you experienced on CF. They'll rip you heart out if you get too far out of line. To hold your own, you will have to be tough.

I don't mean this in an ugly or condescending way, but some of these bozos I have posted with for years.

Especially watch that damned old rooster.(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg191%2F337%2Flaughingjerry.gif&hash=a41470e183163a494e958c98f1fe1532ab2e60ba)
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Yawn on December 15, 2012, 02:05:38 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 12:03:03 PM
Try to understand where Byrdie is coming from.  I don't believe I am speaking out of turn to say this, but Byrdie was an addict for many years, damned near ruined his life and then got clean 20 or more years ago and has stayed that way. He has liver problems now because of it and consequently, has absolutely zero tolerance for drugs. It spills over into the his dislike for libertarian thought as that equates to him druggies.

That's because to most young "libertarians"  THAT is what Libertarianism is.  It is NOT.  As I've said before, the Founding Fathers are the perfect example of the TRUE Libertarian.  This issue being pushed today as "libertarian" they would have never supported.  I call these current "libertarians" Faux libertarians.  As long as they keep pushing this crap they'll never have 3% of the vote.  Yet they'll still lecture the Republicans on "how to win."   :lol:
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 15, 2012, 02:05:38 PM
That's because to most young "libertarians"  THAT is what Libertarianism is.  It is NOT.  As I've said before, the Founding Fathers are the perfect example of the TRUE Libertarian.  This issue being pushed today as "libertarian" they would have never supported.  I call these current "libertarians" Faux libertarians.  As long as they keep pushing this crap they'll never have 3% of the vote.  Yet they'll still lecture the Republicans on "how to win."   :lol:

Byrdie is certainly not young, and he has been around the Mulberry Bush a few times.

Personally, I couldn't care less what a person ingests, smokes, drinks, who he butt humps or any thing else, as long as it doesn't affect me and/or mine. I couldn't care less if we never stuck our nose into the affairs of any other country foreber and eber. I do recognize some of the greatest Founders were libertarian in their thinking. I am fully capable of deciding for myself what may be harmful to me and damned sure don't need Big Government telling me what I can or can not do in the privacy of my home. I damned sure don't need the silly bastards deciding to spread democracy throughout the world and remaking it in our own image.

With all of that said, I damned sure don't give a rat's ass if the PUBS ever win a dog catcher office again.

At one time, before the advent of the Buckley and the New Right that purged and killed the Old Right, libertarianism was an honored and powerful position in the PUB Party. Now those bustards are little better than DIMS- big government, big welfare, big war, and big usurping of the freedoms of the citizens. FOKK 'em all. The long, the short, and the tall.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Patriot on December 15, 2012, 02:34:00 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 12:03:03 PM
Try to understand where Byrdie is coming from.  I don't believe I am speaking out of turn to say this, but Byrdie was an addict for many years, damned near ruined his life and then got clean 20 or more years ago and has stayed that way. He has liver problems now because of it and consequently, has absolutely zero tolerance for drugs. It spills over into the his dislike for libertarian thought as that equates to him druggies. I understand that after knowing him on forums for so many years, so because of that understanding, I do not push it as far as others do. I have never met Byrd face to face, but consider him a very good friend. So I say what I say, he knows where I stand, and I just let a lot slide.

It is often the case if you know someone's background or where they are coming from, you can give them more slack.  But if they can influence or enforce policy, you decide if you want to put up with that or go elsewhere.  Another guy over there got into an argument with him and committed the sin of saying religious zealots were taking over the party.  I don't know who did what behind the scenes, but his membership got deleted.  So I can still post there, but I'd rather post where there is a greater diversity of positions allowed.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: walkstall on December 15, 2012, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 01:48:59 PM
I am glad you're here, Dude, but a small word of advice, if I may. Let this be a learning experience for you. Some of these guys are pretty strong in their thinking, slipping of the track occasionally as we all do. Also keep in mind, some of these folks are tougher than anything you experienced on CF. They'll rip you heart out if you get too far out of line. To hold your own, you will have to be tough.

I don't mean this in an ugly or condescending way, but some of these bozos I have posted with for years.

Especially watch that damned old rooster.(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg191%2F337%2Flaughingjerry.gif&hash=a41470e183163a494e958c98f1fe1532ab2e60ba)


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Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Yawn on December 15, 2012, 02:57:12 PM
Quote
Byrdie is certainly not young, and he has been around the Mulberry Bush a few times.

I think that's what I was saying. That's why this person has a problem with these Faux libertarians who only talk about drugs, prostitution and abortion.  The Founders were not on the side of today's "libertarians."
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 03:13:31 PM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 15, 2012, 02:34:00 PM
It is often the case if you know someone's background or where they are coming from, you can give them more slack.  But if they can influence or enforce policy, you decide if you want to put up with that or go elsewhere.  Another guy over there got into an argument with him and committed the sin of saying religious zealots were taking over the party.  I don't know who did what behind the scenes, but his membership got deleted.  So I can still post there, but I'd rather post where there is a greater diversity of positions allowed.

There is little doubt, USAP, that they can be very dogmatic. I have fought that crap since I returned to posting there, but I knew up front the it was and decided to go back. It started as a lark, more or less, to see if I could slip back in under the radar, and as I have some friends there, I just kinda stuck around. The unfortunate thing is they think they are the only conservatives in the game, and Neo-Cons are the idols of some. Without saying so, of course, but never the less, they are. They talk small government, but believe in big war. The two are mutually exclusive in my opinion. They talk small government, but think Bush was right by expanding the government as he did. They talk fiscal responsibility, but advocate foreign aid to every podunk country in the world.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Solar on December 15, 2012, 03:21:40 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 11:03:25 AM
Yeah, Terry is Proudvet. Byrdie pretty much ran things for a while, and still has a lot of input. Good man- been friends a long time. Several other mods, but Wayne, another good man, runs it now. Admin sticks his nose in occasionally.

Truthfully, I always liked PV and thought we were friends, then in December of '06, he banned Pepe and I for being disruptive- we hammered Bush and the PUBS for not doing what we sent them to do. The handwriting about the impending financial disaster was evident, even back then. Shortly after, Samcat, a mod, but far from being a pro-Israeli Neo-Con and said so, left. Never did quite understand why.

I snuck back in a couple of times just to prove I could- the last time I was made pretty early because of my MO, so I confessed and Wayne didn't care.

They still primarily hate the libertarian viewpoint, and Neo-Cons seem to rule the roost.

Speaking of sneaking back in, Darwinist is openly posting on the Loose Nut Forum, seemingly with Admin's approval.
Things never change.
I was pretty much unwelcome over my hatred for neocons, that and the fact I wouldn't play nice with the clique.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2012, 03:21:40 PM
Things never change.
I was pretty much unwelcome over my hatred for neocons, that and the fact I wouldn't play nice with the clique.

Glad I stumbled into the right forum. A good mix of both extremes and everything in between.

I'll argue with anybody just for the fun of it. Calling for links and proof to support a position is a great touch. It knocks down the weak pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Solar on December 15, 2012, 03:56:20 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 03:46:31 PM
Glad I stumbled into the right forum. A good mix of both extremes and everything in between.

I'll argue with anybody just for the fun of it. Calling for links and proof to support a position is a great touch. It knocks down the weak pretty quickly.
I'm glad you think so, it was by design. It was a planned effort to bring the greatest posters on the web together, a place where they wouldn't have to deal with kids, or the BS that entails.
It's also why I booted that one idiot lib roboposter, (can't remember his name) he never made that much of an impression, he'd just post leftist talking points and refuse to back them up.
Then when challenged, would complain unfairness or that so and so never gets challenged.

It's crap like that, that has a very negative effect on a quality forum. If you've ever looked at our stats, we are the go to forum for facts, half million views per month.
That means that people are coming here for real arguments supporting their position and returning to facebook or some lib forum to do battle, we are the ammo bringerTM, so to speak.  :cool:
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2012, 03:21:40 PM
Things never change.
I was pretty much unwelcome over my hatred for neocons, that and the fact I wouldn't play nice with the clique.

The problem is they don't like being called Neo-Cons. One old fart ( older than I and Rooster ) says Neo-Con is anti-Semitic and there is no such thing. Of course, he is a Bill Buckley Neo-Con.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 04:02:39 PM
Well, we have pretty well fokked over Dude's welcoming thread..
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Patriot on December 15, 2012, 04:02:49 PM
Quote from: njdudeabides on December 15, 2012, 01:32:03 PM
I never had an issue with Byrdie over there. In fact, 95% of the folks on the other forum were more than kind to me. I left because someone told me this forum was also great, and I needed a change of pace. Even when I have disagreed with you and a few others, I've always felt a certain kinship there. But, I feel, based on the posts I've read here, that here is where I belong and here is where I intend to stay.

You were always treated well, but I think it is partly because of your age.  They often stated that you were young and would learn the truth when you "grew up".  LOL   "Nice Dude, good boy"
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Solar on December 15, 2012, 04:13:14 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 04:01:47 PM
The problem is they don't like being called Neo-Cons. One old fart ( older than I and Rooster ) says Neo-Con is anti-Semitic and there is no such thing. Of course, he is a Bill Buckley Neo-Con.
To this day, I have no idea why they turned on me like a pack of dogs, but I can just imagine the BS in PMs flying around behind my back.
I took a short hiatus and posted at LNF for a couple of weeks, when I returned they acted like I was some kind of traitor, when in truth, it was at their suggestion I post over there because I tended to speak my mind.

That was the first place I went to after getting banned at Townhall.com where I had posted since it's inception.
I hope I never get booted from here, this is my final asylum. :biggrin: 
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: walkstall on December 15, 2012, 04:39:01 PM
I split this as it was getting off topic. 

Carry on ladies and Gentlemen.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Indy on December 15, 2012, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 01:48:59 PM
I am glad you're here, Dude, but a small word of advice, if I may. Let this be a learning experience for you. Some of these guys are pretty strong in their thinking, slipping of the track occasionally as we all do. Also keep in mind, some of these folks are tougher than anything you experienced on CF. They'll rip you heart out if you get too far out of line. To hold your own, you will have to be tough.

I don't mean this in an ugly or condescending way, but some of these bozos I have posted with for years.

Especially watch that damned old rooster.(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg191%2F337%2Flaughingjerry.gif&hash=a41470e183163a494e958c98f1fe1532ab2e60ba)
That's Mr Bozo you old curmudgeon :wink:. Welcome to the forum Dude.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 07:46:56 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2012, 03:56:20 PM
I'm glad you think so, it was by design. It was a planned effort to bring the greatest posters on the web together, a place where they wouldn't have to deal with kids, or the BS that entails.
It's also why I booted that one idiot lib roboposter, (can't remember his name) he never made that much of an impression, he'd just post leftist talking points and refuse to back them up.
Then when challenged, would complain unfairness or that so and so never gets challenged.

It's crap like that, that has a very negative effect on a quality forum. If you've ever looked at our stats, we are the go to forum for facts, half million views per month.
That means that people are coming here for real arguments supporting their position and returning to facebook or some lib forum to do battle, we are the ammo bringerTM, so to speak.  :cool:

The greatest posters on the web?

Damn..............I'm just an a**hole. :sad:

Speaking of which....................Paladin is yet another that is living in an alternate universe. His responses had nothing to do with what I posted. I had to kick the little bitch to the curb. Sorry.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Solar on December 15, 2012, 08:02:00 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 07:46:56 PM
The greatest posters on the web?

Damn..............I'm just an a**hole. :sad:

Speaking of which....................Paladin is yet another that is living in an alternate universe. His responses had nothing to do with what I posted. I had to kick the little bitch to the curb. Sorry.
No prob, though I quit reading his books long ago. :laugh:
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 08:53:42 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2012, 08:02:00 PM
No prob, though I quit reading his books long ago. :laugh:

I never knew that homosexuality led to keyboard fever. :lol:
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: walkstall on December 15, 2012, 09:09:38 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2012, 04:01:47 PM
The problem is they don't like being called Neo-Cons. One old fart ( older than I and Rooster )  says Neo-Con is anti-Semitic and there is no such thing. Of course, he is a Bill Buckley Neo-Con.


Wow!! now that is old.   :lol:  :lol:  (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi70.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi108%2Fstilldaffy2%2FSmileys%2Fbth_oldcoot.gif&hash=9eb421b580b1745c1ad1979ad0681e479cbfcd0f)
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: taxed on December 15, 2012, 11:13:09 PM
Quote from: Indy on December 15, 2012, 05:01:41 PM
That's Mr Bozo you old curmudgeon :wink:. Welcome to the forum Dude.

Indy!!!
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: keyboarder on December 16, 2012, 04:44:38 AM
Quote from: kramarat on December 15, 2012, 07:46:56 PM
The greatest posters on the web?

Damn..............I'm just an a**hole. :sad:

Speaking of which....................Paladin is yet another that is living in an alternate universe. His responses had nothing to do with what I posted. I had to kick the little bitch to the curb. Sorry.

Paladin's posts/replies were so like the ones I grew to hate on other forums.  I've been trying to place him with another poster from goupstate.com forum because the replies from each sounded like they were coming from the same poster(troll).

Take a bow, Kramarat!  We don't need liberal, marxist, commie, activist BSers around.

Also, I was on several forums and am hearing a term here that I'm not familiar with.
Someone give me this forum's definition of a "neo-Con" and thanx ahead for not asking me which bush I've been hiding behind.  :toungsmile:
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: kramarat on December 16, 2012, 05:16:52 AM
Quote from: keyboarder on December 16, 2012, 04:44:38 AM
Paladin's posts/replies were so like the ones I grew to hate on other forums.  I've been trying to place him with another poster from goupstate.com forum because the replies from each sounded like they were coming from the same poster(troll).

Take a bow, Kramarat!  We don't need liberal, marxist, commie, activist BSers around.

Also, I was on several forums and am hearing a term here that I'm not familiar with.
Someone give me this forum's definition of a "neo-Con" and thanx ahead for not asking me which bush I've been hiding behind.  :toungsmile:

I don't mind sparring with libs. It's when they enter an entirely different world, that I can't deal with. His last post had me calling gays child molesters. Huh? I never came even close to saying anything of the sort. I can't talk to someone that's going to invent my side of the conversation.

I always thought neo-con meant extreme, (possibly religious), right wing conservative. Just an assumption though. I never looked it up.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Solar on December 16, 2012, 05:46:20 AM
Quote from: keyboarder on December 16, 2012, 04:44:38 AM
Paladin's posts/replies were so like the ones I grew to hate on other forums.  I've been trying to place him with another poster from goupstate.com forum because the replies from each sounded like they were coming from the same poster(troll).

Take a bow, Kramarat!  We don't need liberal, marxist, commie, activist BSers around.

Also, I was on several forums and am hearing a term here that I'm not familiar with.
Someone give me this forum's definition of a "neo-Con" and thanx ahead for not asking me which bush I've been hiding behind.  :toungsmile:
Neocon generally refers to Pubs such as Bush and he=is dad, McCain, Olympia Snow even Bloomberg.
They claim yet they cave, they are guided by a twisted morality, they have no problem promoting war for profit, but will quickly vote against the death penalty on religious grounds.
They are the RINO of the party, they are Boehnor and they need removed from the party, surgically, if necessary.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 16, 2012, 06:31:30 AM
Quote from: keyboarder on December 16, 2012, 04:44:38 AM
Paladin's posts/replies were so like the ones I grew to hate on other forums.  I've been trying to place him with another poster from goupstate.com forum because the replies from each sounded like they were coming from the same poster(troll).

Take a bow, Kramarat!  We don't need liberal, marxist, commie, activist BSers around.

Also, I was on several forums and am hearing a term here that I'm not familiar with.
Someone give me this forum's definition of a "neo-Con" and thanx ahead for not asking me which bush I've been hiding behind.  :toungsmile:

Damn, KB, which bush have you been hiding behind?  (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg15%2F9154%2Fcid3a6eca73bc7e4cf9a5ef.gif&hash=a52f6eac88e6cb3aa8b03f1633f4f17a2b44a7a4)

This is more or less a compilation of things I have read over the years.

If I may indulge for a moment; Irving Kristol, I had thought more or less coined the word Neo-Con or neoconservative, i.e. one that was basically new to conservatism. Mostly it goes back to the old Scoop Jackson ( Senator ) Democrats that advocated making the world safe for democracy by engaging in operations throughout the world. In effect it was to protect Israel, or at least a number of Jewish folks jumped on the bandwagon, and truly came to power during Ronnie Reagan's days. He somewhat disappointed them, I believe, when he brought our Marines home after the murder of 200+ in Lebanon. G H W Bush allowed them to regain a foothold and send us to Iraq and Kuwait. ( truly none of our business if one reads the history of the region ) They were somewhat thwarted during Clinton's time as he was busy with his own little brush wars. Bush Two gave them much more influence, and they finally had their chance to engage our military in useless, unproductive wars.

Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: kramarat on December 16, 2012, 07:39:11 AM
I know it's wiki, but it's kind of an interesting read on neocon.............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism)
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Yawn on December 16, 2012, 07:58:16 AM
This is part of the problem. There are many definitions of a neocon.  A lot use it as a weapon to silence support for the only real democracy in the Middle East (as you can see by some of the posts already).  That's why I'd be leery of anyone who throws that term around, but still, the use of that term has different meaning to different people.

We have promised to protect those nations that share our values, including Israel, Britain, Twain etc.  It's in our NATIONAL INTEREST to protect those who share our values and heritage.  It's why we didn't let Europe fall to Nazism or Communism. It's why when any nation asked for support from the Soviet Union, we did what we could. Yet the people who HATE Israel only complain that we insert ourselves in the politics of the Middle East. They believe the violent and bloody Muslims would love us if we only sacrificed Israel to the alligator.  They never say that about Twain.  They only complain about foreign aid to Israel, but NEVER about foreign aid to the Arab nations that are at war with us.

A lot of this "neocon" BS is just Israel HATE masquerading as "conservatism."

There are some REALLY bad people out there. Isolationism isn't the answer. But if we NEED to go to war, fighting them the way we've been doing it isn't either. 

Here's a good article on the topic:  http://www.cato-unbound.org/2011/03/07/c-bradley-thompson/neoconservatism-unmasked/ (http://www.cato-unbound.org/2011/03/07/c-bradley-thompson/neoconservatism-unmasked/)
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 16, 2012, 08:37:34 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 16, 2012, 07:58:16 AM
This is part of the problem. There are many definitions of a neocon.  A lot use it as a weapon to silence support for the only real democracy in the Middle East (as you can see by some of the posts already).  That's why I'd be leery of anyone who throws that term around, but still, the use of that term has different meaning to different people.

We have promised to protect those nations that share our values, including Israel, Britain, Twain etc.  It's in our NATIONAL INTEREST to protect those who share our values and heritage.  It's why we didn't let Europe fall to Nazism or Communism. It's why when any nation asked for support from the Soviet Union, we did what we could. Yet the people who HATE Israel only complain that we insert ourselves in the politics of the Middle East. They believe the violent and bloody Muslims would love us if we only sacrificed Israel to the alligator.  They never say that about Twain.  They only complain about foreign aid to Israel, but NEVER about foreign aid to the Arab nations that are at war with us.

A lot of this "neocon" BS is just Israel HATE masquerading as "conservatism."

There are some REALLY bad people out there. Isolationism isn't the answer. But if we NEED to go to war, fighting them the way we've been doing it isn't either. 

Here's a good article on the topic:  http://www.cato-unbound.org/2011/03/07/c-bradley-thompson/neoconservatism-unmasked/ (http://www.cato-unbound.org/2011/03/07/c-bradley-thompson/neoconservatism-unmasked/)

I certainly am not sure where all of that shit came from, but it seems to be a universal trait of 'Good Guy Republicanism'. Let's save the world because by doing so, we'll save us. Never mind that it is a far cry from 'defending the homeland' to defending the homeland of assholes that would think no more of  reciprocating in kind than of taking a shit.

It is immoral to borrow money to defend people of another nation, while we travel farther into the quagmire of destroying our country. It is dmned sure unconstitutional, as well.

As for me, I don't hate Israel- let them survive as long as they can. ( today's Israel is a far cry from the Old Testament Israel ) I do abhor this uncanny ability we have of putting the bastards on some ungodly pedestal.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Solar on December 16, 2012, 08:41:29 AM
Understanding the word Neo (meaning New) will go along way in understanding the term Neocon.

Take Neocolonialism:
Control by a powerful country of its former colonies (or other less developed countries) by economic pressures.

Bush fits the term Neocon, as well as his dad.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: TowardLiberty on December 16, 2012, 10:05:45 AM
From that lovable polymath, David Gordon.

QuotePresident Obama is without question a warmonger, but except for Ron Paul, his conservative Republican opponents attack him for not being enough of a warmonger. We need to start a new war now, they say. We must immediately destroy the Iranian "nuclear program," though exactly why Iran poses a threat to the United States they don't bother to explain. Iran is just one example: we also have to wage a worldwide crusade against "militant Islam." In the Republican debates, Gingrich and Santorum told off Ron Paul. He doesn't want to kill people on useless crusades. To them, this makes Dr. Paul unpatriotic.


http://mises.org/daily/5944/The-Rise-of-the-Neoconservatives (http://mises.org/daily/5944/The-Rise-of-the-Neoconservatives)

TL please post only portions of articles.
This is a violation of copyright laws.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Yawn on December 16, 2012, 10:24:34 AM
QuoteWe need to start a new war now, they say. We must immediately destroy the Iranian "nuclear program," though exactly why Iran poses a threat to the United States they don't bother to explain. Iran is just one example: we also have to wage a worldwide crusade against "militant Islam."

You do understand that THEY are AT WAR with the West don't you?  If you don't know that, you're naive about Islam

I'll let you think a little about what the world would be like with the greatest terrorist supporting regime having nukes would mean to the civilized world.  Shouldn't really have to explain it, and probably won't.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: TowardLiberty on December 16, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 16, 2012, 10:24:34 AM
You do understand that THEY are AT WAR with the West don't you?  If you don't know that, you're naive about Islam

I'll let you think a little about what the world would be like with the greatest terrorist supporting regime having nukes would mean to the civilized world.  Shouldn't really have to explain it, and probably won't.

Iran wants nukes so they can be on that special list of nuke possessing countries. You know the type that dont worry about being invaded?

"They are at war with the West?"

You mean the US government?

Why shouldn't they be?
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: njdudeabides on December 16, 2012, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: TowardLiberty on December 16, 2012, 10:05:45 AM
From that lovable polymath, David Gordon.

http://mises.org/daily/5944/The-Rise-of-the-Neoconservatives (http://mises.org/daily/5944/The-Rise-of-the-Neoconservatives)

President Obama has not been aggressive enough in some aspects of foreign policy. While the President was right to topple Gadaphi and was right on the mission to rid the world of OBL, he has been wrong to announce a date for withdrawal in Afghanistan publicly, wrong in how he has dealt with Iran, wrong in how he advocated for the ousting of a U.S. ally in Egypt, wrong in how he has ignored Israel, wrong in signing the START Treaty limiting our missile defense while appeasing Russia and ignoring Poland, wrong in how he has failed to get the international community to properly condem Assad in Syria, and wrong in how he has not dealt with North Korea. Certainly, the President has a lot of foreign policy challenges and there will be mistakes made, but the truth is this administration has a poor record as opposed to the previous administration. The previous administration failed to deal with Iran properly, though they did not beg the Iotola's to end their nuclear ambitions. The previous administration also failed to deal with North Korea for the most part. However, the previous administration had a better success record than this one, and this administration's success record is in part due to policies put in place by the previous one.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 16, 2012, 10:42:22 AM
Quote from: TowardLiberty on December 16, 2012, 10:05:45 AM
From that lovable polymath, David Gordon.

http://mises.org/daily/5944/The-Rise-of-the-Neoconservatives (http://mises.org/daily/5944/The-Rise-of-the-Neoconservatives)

Oh crap, TL, you've done it now. Do not be surprised if you just didn't throw zingers right over some heads.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 16, 2012, 10:56:26 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 16, 2012, 10:24:34 AM
You do understand that THEY are AT WAR with the West don't you?  If you don't know that, you're naive about Islam

I'll let you think a little about what the world would be like with the greatest terrorist supporting regime having nukes would mean to the civilized world.  Shouldn't really have to explain it, and probably won't.

Has it ever dawned on you, Yawn, to ask why they are at war with us, even presuming they are, and why we, as the most powerful country ( open for debate, as financially, it is no longer possible ) in the world, should fear a country we could turn into pixie dust with the push of a button?

When we fokked over Mosadegh in 1953, and set up a despot in his place ( the Shah ) did we think they would just say 'Kings X', all is forgiven?

A few short years ago, Iraq was the greatest terrorist supporting regime. Afghanistan was the greatest terrorist supporting nation. N Korea was the greatest terrorist supporting nation. Who is next? China? ( we don't want to think on China, that is definitely WWIII) Venezuela? Timfokkingbuctoo?

The greatest terrorists we face are in Foggy Bottom.

Color me skeptical.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: a777pilot on December 16, 2012, 12:31:50 PM
The greatest threat to the continued success and prosperity of the USA is sitting in the West Wing and the Oval Office.  Those would be VJ and BO.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Yawn on December 16, 2012, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: TowardLiberty on December 16, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
Iran wants nukes so they can be on that special list of nuke possessing countries. You know the type that dont worry about being invaded?

"They are at war with the West?"

You mean the US government?

Why shouldn't they be?

Naive little libertarian.  Now I understand. The government that says they're involved in a nuclear program ONLY to generate electricity, is REALLY going to build nuclear WEAPONS but only going to use nukes for DEFENSIVE reasons--you know, that terrorist nation that has not supplied countless terrorist organizations with weapons REALLY will only use them to defend themselves and NOT deliver them to a terror cell in the USA or Europe..

So the Iranian government WAS lying after all, but still, they only want nuclear weapons to DEFEND themselves from those evil Western nations.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: TowardLiberty on December 16, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 16, 2012, 12:58:40 PM
Naive little libertarian.  Now I understand. The government that says they're involved in a nuclear program ONLY to generate electricity, is REALLY going to build nuclear WEAPONS but only going to use nukes for DEFENSIVE reasons--you know, that terrorist nation that has not supplied countless terrorist organizations with weapons REALLY will only use them to defend themselves and NOT deliver them to a terror cell in the USA or Europe..

So the Iranian government WAS lying after all, but still, they only want nuclear weapons to DEFEND themselves from those evil Western nations.

I dont pretend to be a mind reader. Just offering a logical explanation why any nation would want nuclear weapons.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: kramarat on December 16, 2012, 03:40:13 PM
Quote from: TowardLiberty on December 16, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
I dont pretend to be a mind reader. Just offering a logical explanation why any nation would want nuclear weapons.

No real need to read minds. I think nukes would be pretty effective at destroying a country. No secrets here. They're proud of their goals.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/08/17/iran-calls-for-israels-destruction-as-islamic-republic-marks-quds-day/ (http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/08/17/iran-calls-for-israels-destruction-as-islamic-republic-marks-quds-day/)
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Yawn on December 16, 2012, 03:49:31 PM
A couple days ago I heard someone say, "If all the Muslim Nations put down their arms there'd be peace in the Middle East and the entire world.  If the Israelis put down their arms, there'd be no Israel."

The Islamic world, with their mandate from Allah to subdue the entire world, is behind virtually all of the wars and violence around the world.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Solar on December 16, 2012, 04:02:04 PM
I have to say, I'm extremely disappointed at the ignorance being displayed here.

Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made international headlines when on October 27, 2005, he declared in Persian that Iran would "wipe Israel off the map."
http://www.meforum.org/2167/iran-genocidal-incitement-israel (http://www.meforum.org/2167/iran-genocidal-incitement-israel)

This is not a Libertarian, nor Neohawk view, this is reality, these idiots tell us time and time again, they want to kill us, yet people still want blame the US.

Wake The Hell Up!
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 16, 2012, 04:07:49 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 16, 2012, 04:02:04 PM
I have to say, I'm extremely disappointed at the ignorance being displayed here.

Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made international headlines when on October 27, 2005, he declared in Persian that Iran would "wipe Israel off the map."
http://www.meforum.org/2167/iran-genocidal-incitement-israel (http://www.meforum.org/2167/iran-genocidal-incitement-israel)

This is not a Libertarian, nor Neohawk view, this is reality, these idiots tell us time and time again, they want to kill us, yet people still want blame the US.

Wake The Hell Up!

The Israelis are as fully capable of making a glass parking lot out of Iran, as we are. Are the Iranians so bumfokk crazy as to believe otherwise?
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Darth Fife on December 16, 2012, 04:12:38 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 16, 2012, 04:07:49 PM
The Israelis are as fully capable of making a glass parking lot out of Iran, as we are. Are the Iranians so bumfokk crazy as to believe otherwise?

Yes... As a matter of fact, they are!

You'll never go broke betting on the craziness of anyone who believes his/her god want's him/her to kill people!

Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Yawn on December 16, 2012, 04:22:08 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 16, 2012, 04:02:04 PM
I have to say, I'm extremely disappointed at the ignorance being displayed here.

Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made international headlines when on October 27, 2005, he declared in Persian that Iran would "wipe Israel off the map."
http://www.meforum.org/2167/iran-genocidal-incitement-israel (http://www.meforum.org/2167/iran-genocidal-incitement-israel)

This is not a Libertarian, nor Neohawk view, this is reality, these idiots tell us time and time again, they want to kill us, yet people still want blame the US.

Wake The Hell Up!

Unfortunately, the Iranian People are not really with their leadership.  The crazies WANT the world engulfed in nuclear fire.  In THAT religion, it is prophecy being fulfilled and what is needed to hasten the appearance of the Twelfth Imam

QuoteObservers of Iran have been puzzling over Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's actions lately. A populist, but not terribly popular, president, he raised the ire of the West and some of his domestic rivals when he recently proclaimed Israel should be "wiped off the map." Iran's nuclear ambitions are well-known. However, Western observers have paid less attention to the political and religious ideology behind some of Ahmadinejad's actions, which he has expressed in recent speeches (and here) that have had messianic overtones and are deeply troublesome.  http://ashbrook.org/publications/guest-05-vonheyking-twelfthimam/ (http://ashbrook.org/publications/guest-05-vonheyking-twelfthimam/) 
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Solar on December 16, 2012, 04:27:11 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 16, 2012, 04:07:49 PM
The Israelis are as fully capable of making a glass parking lot out of Iran, as we are. Are the Iranians so bumfokk crazy as to believe otherwise?
I assume you have an actual point?
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 16, 2012, 04:29:04 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 16, 2012, 04:12:38 PM
Yes... As a matter of fact, they are!

You'll never go broke betting on the craziness of anyone who believes his/her god want's him/her to kill people!

What in their past history says they are crazy in this regard? Who have they invaded?

A number of years ago, India and Pakistan, in their continuing border dispute, both acquired nukes. Supposedly World War III was about to happen if they did. How has that worked out? Now the Pakis are an unstable lot, but so far they haven't acting stupidly.

Iran, short of us or the Israelis stepping up with a preemptive strike is going to get nukes. We can not afford another fokk up war in the Middle East like we're still trying to get out of.

My thoughts are what we do today may, and most probably will, have repercussions for our grand children and even farther down the line.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Darth Fife on December 16, 2012, 04:49:12 PM
You are aware that in the name of Islam, Muslims conquered all of North Africa and part of Spain, aren't you? Their Empire stretched from the Straights of Gibraltar to the Indian Ocean.

I think it was sometime during the 1930 that the Jews learned that if someone with polical power says he wants to kill you and everyone like you, you'd best take him at his word.

Now, with that said, I don't think we need to get involved - this isn't our picnic.  I have little doubt that the Israelis can take care of themselves quite handily. 
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 16, 2012, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 16, 2012, 04:49:12 PM
You are aware that in the name of Islam, Muslims conquered all of North Africa and part of Spain, aren't you? Their Empire stretched from the Straights of Gibraltar to the Indian Ocean.

I think it was sometime during the 1930 that the Jews learned that if someone with polical power says he wants to kill you and everyone like you, you'd best take him at his word.

Now, with that said, I don't think we need to get involved - this isn't our picnic.  I have little doubt that the Israelis can take care of themselves quite handily.

Bingo- my point
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: a777pilot on December 16, 2012, 06:55:10 PM
QuoteNow, with that said, I don't think we need to get involved - this isn't our picnic.  I have little doubt that the Israelis can take care of themselves quite handily. 

But the point is....it is our "picnic".  We are our brother's keeper.  It is our right and duty to protect free democratic peoples where ever and who ever they may be.

Besides that, Israel, is completely dependent on the USA for its survival.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 16, 2012, 09:06:30 PM
Quote from: a777pilot on December 16, 2012, 06:55:10 PM
But the point is....it is our "picnic".  We are our brother's keeper.  It is our right and duty to protect free democratic peoples where ever and who ever they may be.

Would you mind showing us that in the Constitution?

Secondly, we have been at the point for a long time that we can not afford it any longer.

Thirdly, Israel is a wealthy nation, and we should not be borrowing money from China to support them or anyone else.

QuoteBesides that, Israel, is completely dependent on the USA for its survival.

That is a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Yawn on December 17, 2012, 02:06:18 AM
QuoteThirdly, Israel is a wealthy nation, and we should not be borrowing money from China to support them or anyone else.

Israel is unique among the nations that receive our foreign aid.  They alone use most of that money to purchase defensive weapons from us, so it all comes back to us.

NO OTHER NATION DOES THAT.

They are the LAST nation I would stop supporting, yet for you Paulites, they would be the first, and seemingly the only nation that you ever mention when it comes to foreign aid.

Yet none of you bitch about aid to Egypt. Or any other nation that is HOSTILE to us and receives money--including the Palestinians.  "We" give them money to "live in peace."  Since they don't do that, why is your focus only on Israel???  I know the answer, but can you come to grips with that truth?
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Patriot on December 17, 2012, 02:37:51 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 17, 2012, 02:06:18 AM
Israel is unique among the nations that receive our foreign aid.  They alone use most of that money to purchase defensive weapons from us, so it all comes back to us.

NO OTHER NATION DOES THAT.

They are the LAST nation I would stop supporting, yet for you Paulites, they would be the first, and seemingly the only nation that you ever mention when it comes to foreign aid.

Yet none of you bitch about aid to Egypt. Or any other nation that is HOSTILE to us and receives money--including the Palestinians.  "We" give them money to "live in peace."  Since they don't do that, why is your focus only on Israel???  I know the answer, but can you come to grips with that truth?

Agree completely.  Also the previous inference of a moral equivalency between Iran and Israel is total BS.  Did Israel ever threaten to wipe Iran off the face of the map? Does Israel supply weapons to terrorist groups?  There is anti-Semitism that some of the Paulites and some of the left have in common.
Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: CubaLibre on December 17, 2012, 05:19:28 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2012, 03:56:20 PM
I'm glad you think so, it was by design. It was a planned effort to bring the greatest posters on the web together, a place where they wouldn't have to deal with kids, or the BS that entails.
It's also why I booted that one idiot lib roboposter, (can't remember his name) he never made that much of an impression, he'd just post leftist talking points and refuse to back them up.
Then when challenged, would complain unfairness or that so and so never gets challenged.

It's crap like that, that has a very negative effect on a quality forum. If you've ever looked at our stats, we are the go to forum for facts, half million views per month.
That means that people are coming here for real arguments supporting their position and returning to facebook or some lib forum to do battle, we are the ammo bringerTM, so to speak.  :cool:
Which one?  :tounge:
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Darth Fife on December 17, 2012, 06:05:42 AM
Quote from: a777pilot on December 16, 2012, 06:55:10 PM
But the point is....it is our "picnic".  We are our brother's keeper.  It is our right and duty to protect free democratic peoples where ever and who ever they may be.

Besides that, Israel, is completely dependent on the USA for its survival.

Tell that to the survivors of the U.S.S. Liberty...

Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 17, 2012, 06:16:00 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 17, 2012, 02:06:18 AM
Israel is unique among the nations that receive our foreign aid.  They alone use most of that money to purchase defensive weapons from us, so it all comes back to us.

NO OTHER NATION DOES THAT.

They are the LAST nation I would stop supporting, yet for you Paulites, they would be the first, and seemingly the only nation that you ever mention when it comes to foreign aid.

Yet none of you bitch about aid to Egypt. Or any other nation that is HOSTILE to us and receives money--including the Palestinians.  "We" give them money to "live in peace."  Since they don't do that, why is your focus only on Israel???  I know the answer, but can you come to grips with that truth?

Why not inform me of what your perception ( and that is all it amounts to ) of what that truth really is. You know absolutely nothing about me and what I believe. It is unconstitutional and immoral to tax Americans and/or to borrow money to support any and all swinging dick nations.

The amazing thing is those like you will tell others how patriotic they are or how conservative ( usually a true conservative ) and yet couch your arguments not on constitutional principles but on an emotional level. When asked to justify it constitutionally, a tirade is generally forthcoming about Paulites, and/or what a great ally Israel is ( let the fiscal shit hit the fan and see how great they are ) and/or how Israel is 'The Chosen People', and and/or some other claptrap. Cut them all off, as has been my belief for a long time, long before Ron Paul ever came upon the scene. We can no longer afford foreign aid to anyone. The days of empire have passed us by.

Take this to the bank; the days of wine and roses, and bread and circuses are over- the days of fiscal austerity, whether voluntarily or by force of circumstances, are here.

Title: Re: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Solar on December 17, 2012, 06:43:05 AM
Quote from: CubaLibre on December 17, 2012, 05:19:28 AM
Which one?  :tounge:
I think it was Scifiman, he refused to back up his BS with actual facts, and would constantly obfuscate, and claim he answered the question.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but when it's posted to appear as fact, it has to be backed up when called on it.
Lib or Con, everyone knows the rules...

Sorry, I used the moment to step upon the soap box since we have another surge of new members.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 17, 2012, 07:07:27 AM
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 17, 2012, 06:05:42 AM
Tell that to the survivors of the U.S.S. Liberty...

You have stepped in it now, Darth.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 17, 2012, 07:13:14 AM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 17, 2012, 02:37:51 AM
Agree completely.  Also the previous inference of a moral equivalency between Iran and Israel is total BS.  Did Israel ever threaten to wipe Iran off the face of the map? Does Israel supply weapons to terrorist groups?  There is anti-Semitism that some of the Paulites and some of the left have in common.

Oh, (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg62%2F4573%2Fpoopxh.jpg&hash=b702b9d19bdc66671abbe45c52997188e71d5220) Here we go with the anti-Semitic nonsense again.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 17, 2012, 07:25:10 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 17, 2012, 02:06:18 AM
Israel is unique among the nations that receive our foreign aid.  They alone use most of that money to purchase defensive weapons from us, so it all comes back to us.

NO OTHER NATION DOES THAT.

Oh, that is wonderful, eh?

I steal 100 dollars ( taxes are theft ) from my neighbor, ( American taxpayers ) then I tell Yawn ( Israel ) I have a widget ( military supplies ) to sell him for 100 dollars. Yawn ( Israel ) says I don't have 100 dollars. I hand him ( Israel ) the 100 dollars I stole from my neighbor ( taxpayers ) and say here, now you can buy my widget. ( military equipment ) The person making the widget has his/her money, I have world's of nice sentiment from fellow thieves, and the taxpayer gets shit.

Is that about what you had in mind?

Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Patriot on December 17, 2012, 08:06:23 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on December 17, 2012, 07:13:14 AM
Oh, (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg62%2F4573%2Fpoopxh.jpg&hash=b702b9d19bdc66671abbe45c52997188e71d5220) Here we go with the anti-Semitic nonsense again.

Just to be clear - I am not suggesting that is your motivation, which I understand is hands-off equal opportunity for all.  My comment pertaining to some of the Ron Paul supporters, specifically Ron Paul, goes back to what he wrote in the 1990s.  I know there were denials and that the claims were made by a disgruntled ex-aid and that Paul did not write or see what went out under his name, but I don't believe it.  As far as anti-Semitism from the left, it has been noted from many.  I think this article is notable, especially coming from a left-wing site:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/sophisticated-liberal-jew_b_191135.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/sophisticated-liberal-jew_b_191135.html)
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: njdudeabides on December 17, 2012, 08:18:25 AM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 17, 2012, 08:06:23 AM
Just to be clear - I am not suggesting that is your motivation, which I understand is hands-off equal opportunity for all.  My comment pertaining to some of the Ron Paul supporters, specifically Ron Paul, goes back to what he wrote in the 1990s.  I know there were denials and that the claims were made by a disgruntled ex-aid and that Paul did not write or see what went out under his name, but I don't believe it.  As far as anti-Semitism from the left, it has been noted from many.  I think this article is notable, especially coming from a left-wing site:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/sophisticated-liberal-jew_b_191135.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/sophisticated-liberal-jew_b_191135.html)

Ron Paul makes a lot of sense when it comes to some aspects of domestic policy - his desire for smaller government and state's rights is spot on. Additionally, Congressman Paul makes a strong case for changing the status-quo as it relates to the federal reserve - an independent board which has made decisions for the economy. But, Congressman Paul's opposition to capital punishment and his son's comments that "if it isn't violent, it shouldn't be considered a crime" show a flaw in the libertarian philosophy, of which I am a partial subscriber to. The federal government, other than the partial-birth abortion ban and DOMA, need to stay out of issues best left to states and the people.

Where Congressman Paul is wrong is on foreign affairs. The notion that American intervention is the root cause of our foreign policy problems is insulting and not based on fact nor common sense. Congressman Paul and his supporters fail to realize that America did not start this war. We are fighting a group of radical islamic savages, they do not value human life and are really a bunch of cavemen savages. The way to defeat this enemy is through a strong, well-equipped military, a network of human intelligence, a secure homeland, strong alliances with our allies, missile defense systems, and allowing law enforcement here at home to do their job. Sadly, Congressman Paul and his supporters have opposed the policies, but in place by Ronald Reagan and later George W. Bush, that have enabled us to fight the enemy.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Patriot on December 17, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
Quote from: njdudeabides on December 17, 2012, 08:18:25 AM
Ron Paul makes a lot of sense when it comes to some aspects of domestic policy - his desire for smaller government and state's rights is spot on. Additionally, Congressman Paul makes a strong case for changing the status-quo as it relates to the federal reserve - an independent board which has made decisions for the economy. But, Congressman Paul's opposition to capital punishment and his son's comments that "if it isn't violent, it shouldn't be considered a crime" show a flaw in the libertarian philosophy, of which I am a partial subscriber to. The federal government, other than the partial-birth abortion ban and DOMA, need to stay out of issues best left to states and the people.

Where Congressman Paul is wrong is on foreign affairs. The notion that American intervention is the root cause of our foreign policy problems is insulting and not based on fact nor common sense. Congressman Paul and his supporters fail to realize that America did not start this war. We are fighting a group of radical islamic savages, they do not value human life and are really a bunch of cavemen savages. The way to defeat this enemy is through a strong, well-equipped military, a network of human intelligence, a secure homeland, strong alliances with our allies, missile defense systems, and allowing law enforcement here at home to do their job. Sadly, Congressman Paul and his supporters have opposed the policies, but in place by Ronald Reagan and later George W. Bush, that have enabled us to fight the enemy.

Agree.  Just to elaborate on the foreign policy question on US intervention - many agree that the US cannot be the world's policeman, intervening in every conflict.  But does it go too far if we choose to stay uninvolved with mass genocide when we are aware of the facts?  That point was part of the Ron Paul debate, and this link provides one view of that:   http://www.theamericanconservative.com/would-ron-paul-have-stopped-the-holocaust/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/would-ron-paul-have-stopped-the-holocaust/)  We can fall back to a "safe" position saying we can participate if there is some world body such as the UN that sanctions intervention, but we know that is a sham because the UN is paralyzed by Russian and Chinese vetos.
Title: Re: Hi I'm The Dude
Post by: Shooterman on December 17, 2012, 09:08:15 AM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 17, 2012, 08:06:23 AM
Just to be clear - I am not suggesting that is your motivation, which I understand is hands-off equal opportunity for all.  My comment pertaining to some of the Ron Paul supporters, specifically Ron Paul, goes back to what he wrote in the 1990s.  I know there were denials and that the claims were made by a disgruntled ex-aid and that Paul did not write or see what went out under his name, but I don't believe it.  As far as anti-Semitism from the left, it has been noted from many.  I think this article is notable, especially coming from a left-wing site:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/sophisticated-liberal-jew_b_191135.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/sophisticated-liberal-jew_b_191135.html)

So, let me see if I understand this. Ron Paul, whether he was a racist ( I contend that in some form or another, most of us are ) anti-Semite, or had letters or articles under his byline go out, all of this over twenty years ago, somehow he is a lesser man, unworthy to speak out and be elected President, but other men, considerably more hypocritical than Paul, thinking primarily of Romney and a few others that castigated Paul, get a pass and are considered absolutely wonderful. I call BS. Whether Paul is or isn't an anti-Semite, I would recommend, that not another SOB in the last hundred years has advocated restraining big government, as much as he. Oh, the talk is always and has always been made, but the actual governance has always been something entirely different. Supposing Paul is a racist- the truth of the matter is I don't really give a big fokk. My entire interest is in preserving the remnants of America, and returning us to the foundations we were established on. That will not be done by continuing the status quo, whether by DIMS or PUBS, and so far, for the last 150 years, that is basically what we have had.

As someone that grew up in a racist society, and at times has been overcome with stupidity by saying certain things, and because I have fought my own inclinations and by doing so, has hopefully left my racist roots behind, I would rather have a dyed in the wool 110% racists that will restore constitutional principles to governing, than a million unprincipled ass holes that may not be racist, ( in public ) but will continue to fokk us over and send us into oblivion. If that makes me a bad person, as Great Grand Pap Simeon may have said 'Say Levies' Let it be what it will be. 

With all of that said, I will continue to harp on this; forget the emotional arguments, show me the constitutional authority for foreign aid, going forth into the world and remaking it in our image, and spending untold trillions of dollars, and young American lives in the process.

Many years ago, there was a song that expressed what I consider apropos to the situation.

THE WORLD WILL BE THE SAME, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA CHANGE IT.