https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRAJwaLV-iU



Buy used cars, my friends. No need to break the bank

I wonder what can lower car prices.

Getting rid of Unions?
Getting rid of Democrat politicians (look at what they did to Detroit)?
Allowing some of these European cars to be sold in America?

On a side note, I don't trust any used car unless I personally know it's full history.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 25, 2019, 05:13:14 PM
I wonder what can lower car prices.

Getting rid of Unions?
Getting rid of Democrat politicians (look at what they did to Detroit)?
Allowing some of these European cars to be sold in America?

On a side note, I don't trust any used car unless I personally know it's full history.

Why are you making it more complicated than it needs to be?

Stop making cars so damn complex and that will lower the price.

Every single car doesn't need push to start.
Every single car doesn't need Bluetooth connectivity.
Every single car doesn't need a backup camera.
Every single car doesn't need a navigation system.
Every single car doesn't fancy headlights.

etc.

Don't get me started on how fancy they're making WORK Trucks now too.

Quote from: joesixpack on November 25, 2019, 05:17:50 PM
Why are you making it more complicated than it needs to be?

Stop making cars so damn complex and that will lower the price.

Every single car doesn't need push to start.
Every single car doesn't need Bluetooth connectivity.
Every single car doesn't need a backup camera.
Every single car doesn't need a navigation system.
Every single car doesn't fancy headlights.

etc.

Don't get me started on how fancy they're making WORK Trucks now too.

Every vehicle needs Bluetooth and a backup system (camera, or at least sensors). Navigation is a nice toy to have. So is push button start. Not sure what you are referring to as fancy headlights. It is still just a lens with a halogen bulb.

What I was referring to was having certain European cars (stuff that has never been in the USA ever) to be imported in. Maybe a "Dacia Sandero" is what we need.

Quote from: joesixpack on November 25, 2019, 05:17:50 PM
Why are you making it more complicated than it needs to be?

Stop making cars so damn complex and that will lower the price.

Every single car doesn't need push to start.
Every single car doesn't need Bluetooth connectivity.
Every single car doesn't need a backup camera.
Every single car doesn't need a navigation system.
Every single car doesn't fancy headlights.

etc.

Don't get me started on how fancy they're making WORK Trucks now too.

  Then don't buy the damn car if you don't like the add on.(s).   If you don't like the new cars and trucks then buy and old one and fit it up your way.  You just have to be smarter then the car dealer's.  When they told me it would cost me 1.500+$ to fix a drive line leak.  I took it to a transmission shop and they fix the problem for under 150$ and that came with a transmission oil change as they had to pull the transmission.  There are some thing you have to think for yourself.   

Quote from: joesixpack on November 25, 2019, 05:17:50 PM
Why are you making it more complicated than it needs to be?

Stop making cars so damn complex and that will lower the price.

Every single car doesn't need push to start.
Every single car doesn't need Bluetooth connectivity.
Every single car doesn't need a backup camera.
Every single car doesn't need a navigation system.
Every single car doesn't fancy headlights.

etc.

Don't get me started on how fancy they're making WORK Trucks now too.

Two of theswe will soon be in every car made in the us.
https://jalopnik.com/backup-cameras-are-now-mandatory-for-all-new-cars-in-th-1825831113

I struggle with your compaint here, all of these ameneties make driving much easier, yes the price goes up, but you get more a bang for your buck. All of the items you listed have made driving much easier for most people.

Don't get me wrong. I love all the advancements in technology. But they have to make some basic models for poor people too.

Quote from: joesixpack on November 26, 2019, 05:27:37 AM
Don't get me wrong. I love all the advancements in technology. But they have to make some basic models for poor people too.

That's a very relative statement. What do you consider poor? What price range?

Quote from: joesixpack on November 26, 2019, 05:27:37 AM
Don't get me wrong. I love all the advancements in technology. But they have to make some basic models for poor people too.

If the market desires it lower priced cars will be offered. Just who would you have "make" the carmakers produce these cars?

Quote from: joesixpack on November 26, 2019, 05:27:37 AM
Don't get me wrong. I love all the advancements in technology. But they have to make some basic models for poor people too.

You have to understand the political aspect causing much of this. Think 5G, all of these new cars are being built with the future in mind.
Think about every car on the road sharing info with the main grid, sharing location between individual cars. What is being pushed is a control over traffic.
This is all about control, think Smart Grid.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 26, 2019, 05:29:01 AM
That's a very relative statement. What do you consider poor? What price range?

I said poor, but I didn't mean that. I meant the average person really. Based on the information in the report the price range should be between $350 - $400 a month.

Based on a 4 or 5 year loan.

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 26, 2019, 05:37:59 AM
If the market desires it lower priced cars will be offered. Just who would you have "make" the carmakers produce these cars?

Well, there's a desire for it and a huge market already. It's called used cars. That's why I advocated it in my OP.

Quote from: joesixpack on November 26, 2019, 06:21:18 AM
I said poor, but I didn't mean that. I meant the average person really. Based on the information in the report the price range should be between $350 - $400 a month.

Based on a 4 or 5 year loan.

I don't do loans, I have paid for all of my vehicles since sixteen in cash. Do you have any information suggesting that prices for your average car loan with an average credit is more then this?

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 26, 2019, 06:50:17 AM
I don't do loans, I have paid for all of my vehicles since sixteen in cash. Do you have any information suggesting that prices for your average car loan with an average credit is more then this?

https://www.creditkarma.com/auto/i/what-is-average-car-payment/

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The average monthly car payment was $554 for a new vehicle and $391 for used vehicles in the U.S. during the first quarter of 2019, according to Experian data. The average lease payment was $457 a month in the same period.

The data also shows that many people have been buying cars with auto loans that last more than five years (over 60 months). Leases are now averaging a little more than three years (over 36 months).

Quote from: joesixpack on November 26, 2019, 06:58:20 AM
https://www.creditkarma.com/auto/i/what-is-average-car-payment/

I'm confused. Nowhere in this article does it say that the rising car loan prices are due to all the technology that you spoke of in your original post. After reading this, there are ways to lower it that, most people are taught in high school personal finance classes. It seems to me like informing yourself on the correct vehicle to buy and doing proper research is a way to combat these high prices.

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on November 26, 2019, 07:07:54 AM
I'm confused. Nowhere in this article does it say that the rising car loan prices are due to all the technology that you spoke of in your original post. After reading this, there are ways to lower it that, most people are taught in high school personal finance classes. It seems to me like informing yourself on the correct vehicle to buy and doing proper research is a way to combat these high prices.

You simply asked for the average price of a new loan...if you search you may be able to find a more detailed analysis that answers your other questions.

If you do, please add it to the thread, I'm more you're not the only one wondering those things.