I did this test myself, and found it to be very accurate.
http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test (http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test)
Here are my results, I have got a personality type:
The Logician
Code: INTP-A
Role: Analyst
Strategy: Confident Individualism
Mind - This trait determines how we interact with our environment.
39% Extraverted - 61% Introverted
Introverted individuals prefer solitary activities and get exhausted by social interaction. They tend to be quite sensitive to external stimulation (e.g. sound, sight or smell) in general.
Energy - This trait shows where we direct our mental energy.
57% Intuitive - 43% Observant
Intuitive individuals are very imaginative, open-minded and curious. They prefer novelty over stability and focus on hidden meanings and future possibilities.
Nature - This trait determines how we make decisions and cope with emotions.
56% Thinking - 44% Feeling
Thinking individuals focus on objectivity and rationality, prioritizing logic over emotions. They tend to hide their feelings and see efficiency as more important than cooperation.
Tactics - This trait reflects our approach to work, planning and decision-making.
49% Judging - 51% Prospecting
Prospecting individuals are very good at improvising and spotting opportunities. They tend to be flexible, relaxed nonconformists who prefer keeping their options open.
Identity - This trait underpins all others, showing how confident we are in our abilities and decisions.
74% Assertive - 26% Turbulent
Assertive individuals are self-assured, even-tempered and resistant to stress. They refuse to worry too much and do not push themselves too hard when it comes to achieving goals.
Hope you can access the link with my results below.
http://www.16personalities.com/profiles/56a5e61a6bfb5 (http://www.16personalities.com/profiles/56a5e61a6bfb5)
And here is a long explanation of my type.
http://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality (http://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality)
Executive (ESTJ-a)
I'm extroverted, observant, thinking, judging and assertive.
I got ass hole. :laugh:
Consul
I was right the first time. :lol:
ENTREPRENEUR (ESTP-A)
There are no rules.
Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2016, 08:41:14 AM
I got ass hole. :laugh:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: SueAnn on January 25, 2016, 11:03:24 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Luckily, there aren't many of us.
Making up only four percent of the population, there are just enough ESTPs out there to keep things spicy and competitive, and not so many as to cause a systemic risk.ESTPs are full of passion and energy, complemented by a rational, if sometimes distracted, mind. Inspiring, convincing and colorful, they are natural group leaders, pulling everyone along the path less traveled, bringing life and excitement everywhere they go. Putting these qualities to a constructive and rewarding end is ESTPs' true challenge.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Entertainer
Extrovert, observant, feeling, prospecting
Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2016, 08:41:14 AM
I got ass hole. :laugh:
:blink: You had to take a
TEST to be told that?
Quote from: quiller on January 25, 2016, 11:18:25 AM
:blink: You had to take a TEST to be told that?
Nope, check the timeline.
Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2016, 08:41:14 AM
I got ass hole. :laugh:
Then I am in good company. :biggrin:
Quote from: walkstall on January 25, 2016, 04:39:26 PM
Then I am in good company. :biggrin:
:thumbsup:
I knew what it would say before I took it, though I paraphrased, but the summary was by far more diplomatic. :biggrin:
I use terms like "taking no shit", "When you're done making an ass of yourself, I'll give you your opinion, one that will fool most people into thinking you're smart".
You know, nice things.
Thank you for completing our personality test - here is a copy of your results:
Your personality type: "The Logician" (INTP-T)
Strength of individual traits: Introverted: 96%, Intuitive: 71%, Thinking: 56%, Prospecting: 68%, Turbulent: 54%.
Role: Analyst
Strategy: Constant Improvement
Constant Improvement (Introverted and Turbulent [ I___-T ] types)
Constant Improvers are quiet, individualistic people. They tend to be perfectionistic and success-driven, often spending a lot of time and effort making sure that the result of their work is the best it can be. As their name says, Constant Improvers are high achieving individuals dedicated to their craft – however, they also tend to worry too much about their performance.
This is what my results are and me to a tee.
I forgot to tell that you need to e-mail your results to you in order to get the full description of your personality type. I assume you can still find the page with your results in your browser's history, so to e-mail them to you. Or, you may go to this page, just replace the four asterisks with your type code.
http://www.16personalities.com/****-personality
Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2016, 10:16:54 AM
I was right the first time. :lol:
ENTREPRENEUR (ESTP-A)
There are no rules.
Rule a: There are no rules or in other words rules were made to be broken.
Rule a is not a rule to be followed and is made to be broken.
Don't break the rules and don't follow the rules.
Conclusion: Know and understand what the rules of a given construct are so one knows when to follow the rules correctly and when to break them correctly. As Francis Bacon said "In order to command nature, one must first learn to obey it." To obey nature one has to know what one has to obey including what one can disobey.
Quote from: cubedemon on January 26, 2016, 05:35:20 AM
Rule a: There are no rules or in other words rules were made to be broken.
Rule a is not a rule to be followed and is made to be broken.
Don't break the rules and don't follow the rules.
Conclusion: Know and understand what the rules of a given construct are so one knows when to follow the rules correctly and when to break them correctly. As Francis Bacon said "In order to command nature, one must first learn to obey it." To obey nature one has to know what one has to obey including what one can disobey.
Breaking rules comes with consequences, one must be prepared for the outcome.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
This forum set the rules for TEA, something no other forum has done.
In other words, we made the rules.
Quote from: Solar on January 26, 2016, 05:59:47 AM
Breaking rules comes with consequences, one must be prepared for the outcome.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
This forum set the rules for TEA, something no other forum has done.
In other words, we made the rules.
I totally agree!
Quote from: quiller on January 25, 2016, 11:18:25 AM
:blink: You had to take a TEST to be told that?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Pretty interesting...
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ENTJ Personality ("The Commander")
ENTJs are natural-born leaders. People with this personality type embody the gifts of charisma and confidence, and project authority in a way that draws crowds together behind a common goal. But unlike their Feeling (F) counterpart, ENTJs are characterized by an often ruthless level of rationality, using their drive, determination and sharp minds to achieve whatever end they've set for themselves. Perhaps it is best that they make up only three percent of the population, lest they overwhelm the more timid and sensitive personality types that make up much of the rest of the world – but we have ENTJs to thank for many of the businesses and institutions we take for granted every day.
It is very interesting when one looks at the stats. Mostly, everyone extraverted. I'm the only one who is turbulant. Everyone else is assertive. There are more Observants than intuitives.
Quote from: cubedemon on January 26, 2016, 02:02:35 PM
It is very interesting when one looks at the stats. Mostly, everyone extraverted. I'm the only one who is turbulant. Everyone else is assertive. There are more Observants than intuitives.
Keep in mind, it requires a certain personality to speak their mind and stand behind what they said, so of course you'll find a disproportionate amount of assertive people on a forum, especially one as Conservative as this.
As say, opposed to a lib forum where the average poster assumes everyone is smarter than they are (of course everyone is smarter than your average lib), and generally believe the more outlandish bull shit fed them by an even bigger idiot.
Quote from: Solar on January 26, 2016, 02:41:45 PM
Keep in mind, it requires a certain personality to speak their mind and stand behind what they said, so of course you'll find a disproportionate amount of assertive people on a forum, especially one as Conservative as this.
As say, opposed to a lib forum where the average poster assumes everyone is smarter than they are (of course everyone is smarter than your average lib), and generally believe the more outlandish bull shit fed them by an even bigger idiot.
As the lone turbulent individual on here I will give it to you from my point of view. I always feel like I'm missing something when I draw my conclusions. I could be misinterpreting something, may not have all of the facts, my emotions could be inadvertently clouding my judgement. How can I trust myself in my abilities if my mind is limited? Looking at the confident individualist which says "... Confident Individualists do not pay much attention to other people's opinions and prefer to rely on themselves." For me, that's difficult to do and here is why. What if someone's opinion may have insight into something I don't have or they thought of something I didn't? Why would one only prefer to rely on themselves?
This is why I score as a turbulent analyst. What do you think?
Quote from: cubedemon on January 26, 2016, 04:10:50 PM
As the lone turbulent individual on here I will give it to you from my point of view. I always feel like I'm missing something when I draw my conclusions. I could be misinterpreting something, may not have all of the facts, my emotions could be inadvertently clouding my judgement. How can I trust myself in my abilities if my mind is limited? Looking at the confident individualist which says "... Confident Individualists do not pay much attention to other people's opinions and prefer to rely on themselves." For me, that's difficult to do and here is why. What if someone's opinion may have insight into something I don't have or they thought of something I didn't? Why would one only prefer to rely on themselves?
This is why I score as a turbulent analyst. What do you think?
You need to develop a little narcissistic tendencies, you care too much what others think.
I live by a set of core values, principals that never change, so when some moron with neo thought comes along, I just look at them as idiot kids and lay down the law, and to Hell with their "Feelings" and I hope they felt the intended sting of my rebuke.
Quote from: Solar on January 26, 2016, 05:19:54 PM
You need to develop a little narcissistic tendencies, you care too much what others think.
I live by a set of core values, principals that never change, so when some moron with neo thought comes along, I just look at them as idiot kids and lay down the law, and to Hell with their "Feelings" and I hope they felt the intended sting of my rebuke.
In the ascending order of severity, where do you rank tire tracks up the back?
Quote from: quiller on January 26, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
In the ascending order of severity, where do you rank tire tracks up the back?
:biggrin:
Used to be top of the list till I dot my bull dozer.
Your personality type: "The Entertainer" (ESFP-T)
Strength of individual traits: Extraverted: 73%, Observant: 56%, Feeling: 66%, Prospecting: 55%, Turbulent: 60%.
Role: Explorer
Strategy: Social Engagement
I always come out as an extrovert on these things. Toy
Quote from: Solar on January 27, 2016, 04:14:22 AM
:biggrin:
Used to be top of the list till I dot my bull dozer.
Once I get my images site back, I've got somethin' for ya. Belt-feed, no less.
Quote from: Solars Toy on January 27, 2016, 05:15:07 AM
Your personality type: "The Entertainer" (ESFP-T)
Strength of individual traits: Extraverted: 73%, Observant: 56%, Feeling: 66%, Prospecting: 55%, Turbulent: 60%.
Role: Explorer
Strategy: Social Engagement
I always come out as an extrovert on these things. Toy
Mine are always like "Hitler, is that you??"...
There is another fascinating detail that I have noticed. A number of you are People Mastery (Extraverted and Assertive [ E___-A ] types).
We may need more samples but so far this seems to be a predominant type on this board.
A majority of you are extroverted people who obtain their mental energy reserves from social interactions with other people and are naturally adept with communicating with other people. In addition, you have excellent social skills and can adapt easily to differing social situations.
A majority are confident in your abilities, beliefs, opinions and self-assured. In general, you all have more confidence especially when dealing in unexpected situations but not limited to this. The attitude that you all have about things in the past is that what is done is done, it has happened, move your ass on already.
A majority of you are S types as well which means you're very observant of your surroundings including your social surroundings. You rely upon what is observable in your concrete environment. This helps the majority of you with your communication skills and social skills and how to handle differing social situations.
Now, for me, I'm an INTP -T type with an extreme emphasis on Introverted and intuitive type. My tendencies is to examine for hidden meanings and possibilities. I get drained quickly when I am around a lot of people and need tons of solitude to reflect on things and be able to ask questions.
With my being extremely introverted, more introspective(intuitive) this costs me in the area of being observant. Social skills in this type of person will not be as developed and he will have lots of issues in relating with other people since observation of the outside concrete world doesn't come natural to him.
Because of this, it makes me very turbulent and combined with the INTP analyst type that I have I'm not confident and assured in my abilities, beliefs and opinions. My INTP part of myself sees life, society, etc as an intricate machine that must be dissected and understood but I don't have complete confidence that I understand the machine and truthfully can operate the machine properly. So, I analyze and question to gain more understanding but never can quite reach it. Imagine on a Cartesian plane that one can get closer and closer to the Origin (where the x-axis and y-axis meet or (0,0)) but one can never reach the origin.
So, what do you all think? If I'm too wordy or getting off topic to much please let me know and if I am I do apologize.
Quote from: cubedemon on January 27, 2016, 08:52:34 AM
There is another fascinating detail that I have noticed. A number of you are People Mastery (Extraverted and Assertive [ E___-A ] types).
We may need more samples but so far this seems to be a predominant type on this board.
A majority of you are extroverted people who obtain their mental energy reserves from social interactions with other people and are naturally adept with communicating with other people. In addition, you have excellent social skills and can adapt easily to differing social situations.
A majority are confident in your abilities, beliefs, opinions and self-assured. In general, you all have more confidence especially when dealing in unexpected situations but not limited to this. The attitude that you all have about things in the past is that what is done is done, it has happened, move your ass on already.
A majority of you are S types as well which means you're very observant of your surroundings including your social surroundings. You rely upon what is observable in your concrete environment. This helps the majority of you with your communication skills and social skills and how to handle differing social situations.
Now, for me, I'm an INTP -T type with an extreme emphasis on Introverted and intuitive type. My tendencies is to examine for hidden meanings and possibilities. I get drained quickly when I am around a lot of people and need tons of solitude to reflect on things and be able to ask questions.
With my being extremely introverted, more introspective(intuitive) this costs me in the area of being observant. Social skills in this type of person will not be as developed and he will have lots of issues in relating with other people since observation of the outside concrete world doesn't come natural to him.
Because of this, it makes me very turbulent and combined with the INTP analyst type that I have I'm not confident and assured in my abilities, beliefs and opinions. My INTP part of myself sees life, society, etc as an intricate machine that must be dissected and understood but I don't have complete confidence that I understand the machine and truthfully can operate the machine properly. So, I analyze and question to gain more understanding but never can quite reach it. Imagine on a Cartesian plane that one can get closer and closer to the Origin (where the x-axis and y-axis meet or (0,0)) but one can never reach the origin.
So, what do you all think? If I'm too wordy or getting off topic to much please let me know and if I am I do apologize.
Sometimes a rattle snake is just a snake.
Overt analyzing the snake will only allows time for the snake to bite you.
Learn to listen to your gut instincts and move on.
Quote from: taxed on January 27, 2016, 07:20:02 AM
Mine are always like "Hitler, is that you??"...
Welcome to my world. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on January 27, 2016, 12:51:09 PM
Sometimes a rattle snake is just a snake.
Overt analyzing the snake will only allows time for the snake to bite you.
Learn to listen to your gut instincts and move on.
Well, we saved $800 and something bucks by my doing that. I took the vehicle to just brakes to get them looked at. They were saying that the vehicle needed rotors, pads and other things (I forgot their name. Struts? don't remember. They seemed extremely pushy. Red flags started cropping up. It was exorbitant cost. They were pushy. They seemed kind of unprofessional. They seemed like they were goofing off when they should've been working on the vehicle thereby making me wait longer. I knew I needed pads and went ahead and bought and had them install just brake pads. I took it somewhere else to let them examine the brakes. They said the vehicle was safe to drive and I didn't need new brakes.
What the 2nd place told me was what Just Brakes does is they entice you with a 99.00 deal and then try to pile as many repairs on you as possible. We saved quite a bit of money because my gut told me that something didn't feel right.
Quote from: cubedemon on January 27, 2016, 02:13:17 PM
Well, we saved $800 and something bucks by my doing that. I took the vehicle to just brakes to get them looked at. They were saying that the vehicle needed rotors, pads and other things (I forgot their name. Struts? don't remember. They seemed extremely pushy. Red flags started cropping up. It was exorbitant cost. They were pushy. They seemed kind of unprofessional. They seemed like they were goofing off when they should've been working on the vehicle thereby making me wait longer. I knew I needed pads and went ahead and bought and had them install just brake pads. I took it somewhere else to let them examine the brakes. They said the vehicle was safe to drive and I didn't need new brakes.
What the 2nd place told me was what Just Brakes does is they entice you with a 99.00 deal and then try to pile as many repairs on you as possible. We saved quite a bit of money because my gut told me that something didn't feel right.
Yep, always go with your first instinct, and never let emotion be a factor in any business dealing, never.
Just to add some info, this "16 Personalities Test" is actually based on the "Myers-Briggs Type Indicator® (MBTI®)".
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/ (http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/)
The purpose of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator® (MBTI®) personality inventory is to make the theory of psychological types described by C. G. Jung understandable and useful in people's lives. The essence of the theory is that much seemingly random variation in the behavior is actually quite orderly and consistent, being due to basic differences in the ways individuals prefer to use their perception and judgment.
The theory of psychological type was introduced in the 1920s by Carl G. Jung. The MBTI tool was developed in the 1940s by Isabel Briggs Myers and the original research was done in the 1940s and '50s. This research is ongoing, providing users with updated and new information about psychological type and its applications. Millions of people worldwide have taken the Indicator each year since its first publication in 1962.
The test was fun and interesting to take. How reliable and valid is this test? I've known some people who took the MBTI test one year and years later they take it again. They get different results. Another question, how does it test for truthfulness of the answers? Example, I could believe I have certain characteristics and put down those answers as though that I do when I do not. Sometimes one's belief does not line up with actual reality. One's answers could be based upon false beliefs about himself.
I was looking at reliability and validity here. http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/sommerb/sommerdemo/intro/validity.htm
Finally, can you really constrain people's personalities to these boxes that are absolute and rigid? Personality is more complex in my opinion and my question is why can't there be some overlap of these types?
Quote from: cubedemon on January 28, 2016, 05:00:31 AM
The test was fun and interesting to take. How reliable and valid is this test? I've known some people who took the MBTI test one year and years later they take it again. They get different results. Another question, how does it test for truthfulness of the answers? Example, I could believe I have certain characteristics and put down those answers as though that I do when I do not. Sometimes one's belief does not line up with actual reality. One's answers could be based upon false beliefs about himself.
I was looking at reliability and validity here. http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/sommerb/sommerdemo/intro/validity.htm
Finally, can you really constrain people's personalities to these boxes that are absolute and rigid? Personality is more complex in my opinion and my question is why can't there be some overlap of these types?
Do a search for articles on Myers-Briggs testing sociopaths.
Interesting shit.
Solar, I was comparing our weaknesses
Mine - INTP
http://www.16personalities.com/intp-strengths-and-weaknesses
Yours - ESTP
http://www.16personalities.com/estp-strengths-and-weaknesses
It seems we both can be insensitive. For you, feelings and emotions come second to facts. Me, I get caught up in the underlying logic of things.
For me, I hate rules and guidelines that make no sense and are inconsistent. I definitely hate political correctness because it stifles reason and understanding. PC doesn't allow one to develop better truths and understanding. I have a hatred of arbitrary and illogical standards. Feminism has arbitrary and illogical standards.
If you state a truth like "life is not fair and you must learn to accept that" I don't get my feelings hurt I will ask well by that logic then we must accept socialism as a part of the unfairness of life and if not, then why not?
Solar, you said you scored as asshole. I think there are different types of assholes and I guess I'm a different type of asshole. Hey, I've been called an asshole before. :lol: :lol: Solar you're not that bad of a guy.
Quote from: cubedemon on January 30, 2016, 08:32:48 PM
Solar, I was comparing our weaknesses
Mine - INTP
http://www.16personalities.com/intp-strengths-and-weaknesses
Yours - ESTP
http://www.16personalities.com/estp-strengths-and-weaknesses
It seems we both can be insensitive. For you, feelings and emotions come second to facts. Me, I get caught up in the underlying logic of things.
For me, I hate rules and guidelines that make no sense and are inconsistent. I definitely hate political correctness because it stifles reason and understanding. PC doesn't allow one to develop better truths and understanding. I have a hatred of arbitrary and illogical standards. Feminism has arbitrary and illogical standards.
If you state a truth like "life is not fair and you must learn to accept that" I don't get my feelings hurt I will ask well by that logic then we must accept socialism as a part of the unfairness of life and if not, then why not?
Solar, you said you scored as asshole. I think there are different types of assholes and I guess I'm a different type of asshole. Hey, I've been called an asshole before. :lol: :lol: Solar you're not that bad of a guy.
:biggrin:
The only reason I said ass hole, is simply because I really don't give a flying fuck what people think of me, because I know who I am and I'm a man of my word.
To others it's an emotional response when people don't like what I have to say, or in the case of the forum, how I run it.
I started this forum with one simple formula, a safe place for Conservatives to post, not moderates, not Republicans, but true Conservatives.
Those that understand what it means to be a Conservative, have no issues with this forum, it's those that view politics through an emotional prism have the most trouble here and tend to be easily offended, and to them I say grow a spine or get the Hell out, this is not a forum for the weak.
I, and many like me are from another era where PC didn't exist, and for the most part still doesn't and we have little patience for people whom willingly stifle themselves to get along rather than call a spade a spade.
Honestly though I'm genuinely a nice guy but when it comes to business, I pull no punches, you will always know where I stand on any given issue and can trust your first born on my word when I give it, but then, true Conservatives know exactly where I'm coming from.
A mans word is his worth, if he can't keep it, he's essentially worthless, that's how Conservatives go through life in a nutshell.
Quote from: Solar on January 30, 2016, 08:58:42 PM
:biggrin:
The only reason I said ass hole, is simply because I really don't give a flying fuck what people think of me, because I know who I am and I'm a man of my word.
For me, my thinking on this is different. My lack of giving a fuck of what people think of me to me depends. Let's say I do manage to obtain employment. I do have to care about what my boss things especially when it comes to punctuality, productivity and my performance. On the other hand, I don't have to care about what he thinks of me in the privacy of my own home. Let's say he doesn't like people who wear pink shirts. It's simple, I either don't wear any pink shirts while I'm on his time or get a job somewhere else. In my own home I can wear all the pink shirts I want.
Walkstall is another example. He lives with his wife. In certain cases he does have to care what she thinks. I get the gut feeling she probably would not like him leaving his dirty socks everywhere. In this sense, Walkstall does have to care about his wife so he can be respectful and loving towards her.
Solar, you're the owner of this board. If I want to be allowed to post I have to follow your rules or get off the board sort of like if I was in your house. In that sense, I do have to care.
Whether I care about what others think is situational dependent in my opinion.
Quote from: Solar on January 30, 2016, 08:58:42 PM
To others it's an emotional response when people don't like what I have to say, or in the case of the forum, how I run it.
I make a conscious effort to ignore the emotional content of what people say and look at the logic of what they say. People can state all of the emotional bs and call me all kinds of names and trust me I've been called names but I will say if they make a valid argument I will accept it. If they call me names or attack me and my character without address my argument and counter-claim I will call them out on a fallacy in logic called ad-hominem.
Quote from: Solar on January 30, 2016, 08:58:42 PM
I started this forum with one simple formula, a safe place for Conservatives to post, not moderates, not Republicans, but true Conservatives.
That's fine! I guess this is where the P'ness part of my INTP comes from. By just creating a forum just for true conservatives only you constrain yourselves to a box. IMHO, one has to examine his own ideas from time to time as well as the opponents. I do have problems with the liberal's idea of tolerance because of it's own internal contradictions. I have issues with certain types of equality. Example: I have issues with lowering the standards of the military for women only just to get more women in the military and make the count equal or near equal to men. That is beyond retarded and stupid. I have no problem with anyone joining the military who can pass the same mental and physical fitness test as everyone else. Same with police or firefighting. What this means is people who want to join have to get themselves into shape to pass the fitness tests. As a corollary, I don't think a woman should be banned from anything just because she's a woman. If the infantry requires people to carry 200 lbs of equipment or more at a clip and most women can't do it then so be it. If one or two women can then I'm all for that. There is another version of equality that I do agree with and that is the worth of a human being because they're human who is endowed with inalienable rights.
On the conservative side, I do have problems with personal responsibility and the whole idea that only we bring ourselves success or failure. Here is why. We live in a complex world in a complex universe and we as humans live in a world of limits. Yes, we do have an ownership in what we do in our successes and our failures. But, we live in a society with other people surrounding us. None of us live in a vacuum. To me, responsibility is systematic and we all own a piece of the responsibility pie in certain situations. In a complex system, things don't just spring out of nowhere. Our decisions we all have are shaped by our very thoughts and our experiences from those around us and our genetics as well. To me, the idea of personal responsibility is not so clear cut.
Quote from: Solar on January 30, 2016, 08:58:42 PM
Those that understand what it means to be a Conservative, have no issues with this forum, it's those that view politics through an emotional prism have the most trouble here and tend to be easily offended, and to them I say grow a spine or get the Hell out, this is not a forum for the weak.
I have no issues with this forum. Shoot, I've had more issues on feminist forums then on here all because they were more concerned with the words I used then the content of what I had to say.
Quote from: Solar on January 30, 2016, 08:58:42 PM
I, and many like me are from another era where PC didn't exist, and for the most part still doesn't and we have little patience for people whom willingly stifle themselves to get along rather than call a spade a spade.
Personally, I think PC is stifling. IMHO, language should be enriched, not degraded or silenced.
Quote from: Solar on January 30, 2016, 08:58:42 PM
Honestly though I'm genuinely a nice guy but when it comes to business, I pull no punches, you will always know where I stand on any given issue and can trust your first born on my word when I give it, but then, true Conservatives know exactly where I'm coming from.
A mans word is his worth, if he can't keep it, he's essentially worthless, that's how Conservatives go through life in a nutshell.
I do the best of my ability to keep my word. If I couldn't cause I had a death in the family, I would apologize to you for it.
Quote from: cubedemon on February 02, 2016, 09:57:50 AM
For me, my thinking on this is different. My lack of giving a fuck of what people think of me to me depends. Let's say I do manage to obtain employment. I do have to care about what my boss things especially when it comes to punctuality, productivity and my performance. On the other hand, I don't have to care about what he thinks of me in the privacy of my own home. Let's say he doesn't like people who wear pink shirts. It's simple, I either don't wear any pink shirts while I'm on his time or get a job somewhere else. In my own home I can wear all the pink shirts I want.
Walkstall is another example. He lives with his wife. In certain cases he does have to care what she thinks. I get the gut feeling she probably would not like him leaving his dirty socks everywhere. In this sense, Walkstall does have to care about his wife so he can be respectful and loving towards her.
Solar, you're the owner of this board. If I want to be allowed to post I have to follow your rules or get off the board sort of like if I was in your house. In that sense, I do have to care.
Whether I care about what others think is situational dependent in my opinion.
I make a conscious effort to ignore the emotional content of what people say and look at the logic of what they say. People can state all of the emotional bs and call me all kinds of names and trust me I've been called names but I will say if they make a valid argument I will accept it. If they call me names or attack me and my character without address my argument and counter-claim I will call them out on a fallacy in logic called ad-hominem.
That's fine! I guess this is where the P'ness part of my INTP comes from. By just creating a forum just for true conservatives only you constrain yourselves to a box. IMHO, one has to examine his own ideas from time to time as well as the opponents. I do have problems with the liberal's idea of tolerance because of it's own internal contradictions. I have issues with certain types of equality. Example: I have issues with lowering the standards of the military for women only just to get more women in the military and make the count equal or near equal to men. That is beyond retarded and stupid. I have no problem with anyone joining the military who can pass the same mental and physical fitness test as everyone else. Same with police or firefighting. What this means is people who want to join have to get themselves into shape to pass the fitness tests. As a corollary, I don't think a woman should be banned from anything just because she's a woman. If the infantry requires people to carry 200 lbs of equipment or more at a clip and most women can't do it then so be it. If one or two women can then I'm all for that. There is another version of equality that I do agree with and that is the worth of a human being because they're human who is endowed with inalienable rights.
On the conservative side, I do have problems with personal responsibility and the whole idea that only we bring ourselves success or failure. Here is why. We live in a complex world in a complex universe and we as humans live in a world of limits. Yes, we do have an ownership in what we do in our successes and our failures. But, we live in a society with other people surrounding us. None of us live in a vacuum. To me, responsibility is systematic and we all own a piece of the responsibility pie in certain situations. In a complex system, things don't just spring out of nowhere. Our decisions we all have are shaped by our very thoughts and our experiences from those around us and our genetics as well. To me, the idea of personal responsibility is not so clear cut.
I have no issues with this forum. Shoot, I've had more issues on feminist forums then on here all because they were more concerned with the words I used then the content of what I had to say.
Personally, I think PC is stifling. IMHO, language should be enriched, not degraded or silenced.
I do the best of my ability to keep my word. If I couldn't cause I had a death in the family, I would apologize to you for it.
I was picking up my own dirty socks long before getting married. My mother would have kick my ass if I did not. Then dad would be next in line to kick my ass if mom did. :lol:
I was keep my own clean house long before getting married. A lot of thing were covered before we married.
Quote from: cubedemon on February 02, 2016, 09:57:50 AM
For me, my thinking on this is different. My lack of giving a fuck of what people think of me to me depends. Let's say I do manage to obtain employment. I do have to care about what my boss things especially when it comes to punctuality, productivity and my performance. On the other hand, I don't have to care about what he thinks of me in the privacy of my own home. Let's say he doesn't like people who wear pink shirts. It's simple, I either don't wear any pink shirts while I'm on his time or get a job somewhere else. In my own home I can wear all the pink shirts I want.
Understood, but I've been my own boss all my life and answered to no one, and still don't.
QuoteSolar, you're the owner of this board. If I want to be allowed to post I have to follow your rules or get off the board sort of like if I was in your house. In that sense, I do have to care.
This is true. But keep in mind, this forum represents the majority thinking in the US.
QuoteWhether I care about what others think is situational dependent in my opinion.
Would you be willing to sacrifice your values?
QuoteI make a conscious effort to ignore the emotional content of what people say and look at the logic of what they say. People can state all of the emotional bs and call me all kinds of names and trust me I've been called names but I will say if they make a valid argument I will accept it. If they call me names or attack me and my character without address my argument and counter-claim I will call them out on a fallacy in logic called ad-hominem.
I completely ignore emotional pleas.
QuoteThat's fine! I guess this is where the P'ness part of my INTP comes from. By just creating a forum just for true conservatives only you constrain yourselves to a box. IMHO, one has to examine his own ideas from time to time as well as the opponents. I do have problems with the liberal's idea of tolerance because of it's own internal contradictions. I have issues with certain types of equality. Example: I have issues with lowering the standards of the military for women only just to get more women in the military and make the count equal or near equal to men. That is beyond retarded and stupid. I have no problem with anyone joining the military who can pass the same mental and physical fitness test as everyone else. Same with police or firefighting. What this means is people who want to join have to get themselves into shape to pass the fitness tests. As a corollary, I don't think a woman should be banned from anything just because she's a woman. If the infantry requires people to carry 200 lbs of equipment or more at a clip and most women can't do it then so be it. If one or two women can then I'm all for that. There is another version of equality that I do agree with and that is the worth of a human being because they're human who is endowed with inalienable rights.
Yet you discount millennia of culture. Men naturally protecting women. This is a distraction on the battle field that puts everyones life in danger.
QuoteOn the conservative side, I do have problems with personal responsibility and the whole idea that only we bring ourselves success or failure. Here is why. We live in a complex world in a complex universe and we as humans live in a world of limits. Yes, we do have an ownership in what we do in our successes and our failures. But, we live in a society with other people surrounding us. None of us live in a vacuum. To me, responsibility is systematic and we all own a piece of the responsibility pie in certain situations. In a complex system, things don't just spring out of nowhere. Our decisions we all have are shaped by our very thoughts and our experiences from those around us and our genetics as well. To me, the idea of personal responsibility is not so clear cut.
If you lived in the wilderness, you'd get it.'
I moved my response so as to not derail this thread to my thread set up for me.