Between the Wuhan virus nonsense, the election fraud, the collusion fraud, the impeachment fraud, the SCOTUS nomination frauds and the various frame jobs that the DNC has perpetuated, I have to wonder what will happen to the MSM? Certainly, they have proven over and over again that they cannot be trusted, they are overtly biased and will report ANYTHING so long as it supports their leftist agenda. Facts, truth and evidence have gone the way of the dinosaur as far as the media is concerned. Ratings have plummeted as the FOX Network can attest. People are tired of the propaganda that the MSM seems to perpetuate. Will there be a rebirth of actual news? Will the MSM fade into the sunset? Will new "news outlets" spring up?

Quote from: RV on November 30, 2020, 09:01:35 AM
Between the Wuhan virus nonsense, the election fraud, the collusion fraud, the impeachment fraud, the SCOTUS nomination frauds and the various frame jobs that the DNC has perpetuated, I have to wonder what will happen to the MSM? Certainly, they have proven over and over again that they cannot be trusted, they are overtly biased and will report ANYTHING so long as it supports their leftist agenda. Facts, truth and evidence have gone the way of the dinosaur as far as the media is concerned. Ratings have plummeted as the FOX Network can attest. People are tired of the propaganda that the MSM seems to perpetuate. Will there be a rebirth of actual news? Will the MSM fade into the sunset? Will new "news outlets" spring up?

To be honest, the msm just is not that big anymore. The three cable news average about 10 million viewers, the "big" three networks add about 31 million. And those ratings are up over last year! I take a different reason for the news being up in ratings over a year ago, my reason is there is nothing worthwhile on the idiot box to watch. Don't know if it could be said that the internet is pulling away from the msm, or is the msm driving people towards the internet with their bias reporting, but people are going elsewhere for their news from years ago. The articles below are biased beyond belief and do not take one very important reason for this years uptick in numbers, people are not going out as much because of the virus. Take that away and I bet their downward numbers will continue.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-nfl-nba-6950bf4d6eb51c04ba5fa23e793a3eb2

https://www.poynter.org/newsletters/2020/america-is-watching-the-evening-news-again-tv-news-numbers-are-up-way-up/

Neither article is up to date, but recent enough. The msm has about as much pull as the dead democrat party does.

Quote from: Possum on December 01, 2020, 04:07:24 AM
To be honest, the msm just is not that big anymore. The three cable news average about 10 million viewers, the "big" three networks add about 31 million. And those ratings are up over last year! I take a different reason for the news being up in ratings over a year ago, my reason is there is nothing worthwhile on the idiot box to watch. Don't know if it could be said that the internet is pulling away from the msm, or is the msm driving people towards the internet with their bias reporting, but people are going elsewhere for their news from years ago. The articles below are biased beyond belief and do not take one very important reason for this years uptick in numbers, people are not going out as much because of the virus. Take that away and I bet their downward numbers will continue.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-nfl-nba-6950bf4d6eb51c04ba5fa23e793a3eb2

https://www.poynter.org/newsletters/2020/america-is-watching-the-evening-news-again-tv-news-numbers-are-up-way-up/

Neither article is up to date, but recent enough. The msm has about as much pull as the dead democrat party does.

Maybe not however, I see many people who have swallowed the lie, hook, line and sinker, wearing a mask even though the "science" that the left keeps screaming about does NOT support that. I see many businesses close even though it is against the "science" and I see people who are all alone wearing masks. The "science" says that kids are not apt to contract the virus and if they do, they won't give it to adults AND children do not normally get very ill unless they have some underlying condition yet, Democrats have scared the wits out of people so that schools are closed. If people are not listening to the MSM, why then are they doing exactly what the MSM keeps pushing?

Quote from: RV on December 03, 2020, 02:07:25 PM
Maybe not however, I see many people who have swallowed the lie, hook, line and sinker, wearing a mask even though the "science" that the left keeps screaming about does NOT support that. I see many businesses close even though it is against the "science" and I see people who are all alone wearing masks. The "science" says that kids are not apt to contract the virus and if they do, they won't give it to adults AND children do not normally get very ill unless they have some underlying condition yet, Democrats have scared the wits out of people so that schools are closed. If people are not listening to the MSM, why then are they doing exactly what the MSM keeps pushing?

It is not the msm who are implementing these mandates, it is mayors and governors. Why are people following them, in many places you can be fined or receive jail time. I do not think people are complying because the msm has convinced them it is in their best heath to do so. there are your nuts out there who are convinced, you know the type, they wear tin foil hats, but the majority are not that stupid.

The agenda of the msm is the same as the cosmetics industry, the auto industry, insurance companies and any other industry. It is to make money. The newspaper industry was dying until, then- candidate, Trump came down the escalator. He single -handedly saved the mainstream media. In return, they made his nomination and election seem inevitable because he sold papers, news magazines and TV news ratings. Demonizing him only boosted profits. The same has worked for Limbaugh, Hannity, Tucker etc. They are in this to make money. If you think they actually give a darn about politics, you are niave.
Now, you will have President Biden. Now, all you will hear in the editorial rooms is crickets. I'm sure Limbaugh, Hannity, and Tucker etc. will be able to squeeze some money out of the loyalists for a while but the only real consequence of his election will be boredom.

Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 06:55:43 AM
The agenda of the msm is the same as the cosmetics industry, the auto industry, insurance companies and any other industry. It is to make money. The newspaper industry was dying until, then- candidate, Trump came down the escalator. He single -handedly saved the mainstream media. In return, they made his nomination and election seem inevitable because he sold papers, news magazines and TV news ratings. Demonizing him only boosted profits. The same has worked for Limbaugh, Hannity, Tucker etc. They are in this to make money. If you think they actually give a darn about politics, you are niave.
Now, you will have President Biden. Now, all you will hear in the editorial rooms is crickets. I'm sure Limbaugh, Hannity, and Tucker etc. will be able to squeeze some money out of the loyalists for a while but the only real consequence of his election will be boredom.

Nope, most American media runs a deficit, and if not for their backers, would collapse overnight.
These companies are a write off for their bigger corporations. That's the simple explanation. Maybe we need to change the law that keeps them afloat.

Using them as a tax write off is the same as making money. You can't tell me their first priority isn't to sell advertising.
American journalists on the other hand, do have a decidedly anti-Trump bias but not just because they are left wing. The people who oppose the President mostly do so because they believe him to be incompetant and a buffoon. At a summit a few years ago, he actually physically shoved the President of a US ally aside so he (President Trump) would be in front. In an address to the UN,  people laughed at him. That has never happened before. A President of the United States is always respected at the UN but President Trump failed to earn that respect. At a G7 meeting, Macron, and Johnson were discussing President Trump's bizzare behaviour with  two other leaders and their expressions showed they were scratching thier heads in bewilderment. That is why the journalists do not respect him. American journalists are embarassed by him.
Getting the vaccine in record time and having the economy surging ahead, has not been enough to overcome his shortcomings. He will not be remembered for his successes. It will be his tweets, his pratfalls and his bullying that will be his legacy. That is the tragedy.
"The evil that men do lives after them.
The good is oft interred with their bones.
So let it be with Caesar."
Julius Caesar Act 3 Scene 2

Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 09:06:59 AM
Using them as a tax write off is the same as making money. You can't tell me their first priority isn't to sell advertising.

No, these networks are all owned by even bigger corporate entities, like Disney, so they have a write off when they can't pull a profit.
Yes, the left uses our laws against us now that they've destroyed our culture and shaming them no longer carries the stigma it once did.

QuoteAmerican journalists on the other hand, do have a decidedly anti-Trump bias but not just because they are left wing. The people who oppose the President mostly do so because they believe him to be incompetant and a buffoon. At a summit a few years ago, he actually physically shoved the President of a US ally aside so he (President Trump) would be in front. In an address to the UN,  people laughed at him. That has never happened before. A President of the United States is always respected at the UN but President Trump failed to earn that respect. At a G7 meeting, Macron, and Johnson were discussing President Trump's bizzare behaviour with  two other leaders and their expressions showed they were scratching thier heads in bewilderment. That is why the journalists do not respect him. American journalists are embarassed by him.
Getting the vaccine in record time and having the economy surging ahead, has not been enough to overcome his shortcomings. He will not be remembered for his successes. It will be his tweets, his pratfalls and his bullying that will be his legacy. That is the tragedy.
"The evil that men do lives after them.
The good is oft interred with their bones.
So let it be with Caesar."
Julius Caesar Act 3 Scene 2

Essentially Pure BS! What you see, this is a carefully crafted narrative designed to destroy Trump on the world stage.
Just look at what Trump accomplished in spite of the Marxists in the DNC, not to mention peace in the M/E and never having started a war.

Trump is killing off the communist globally and that has brought out the worst in the left. Can you imagine if a leftist was able to pull off what Trump has? They'd want the church to make him a Saint.

Trump Shoves Prime Minister of Montenegro at NATO Meeting May 25, 2017 on you Tube
United Nations Laughs At President Trump's Claim Sept. 25, 2018 on You Tube
Watch Trudeau, Macron and Johnson appear to gossip about Trump on hot mic Dec. 4 2019 on CNBC

I agree, the President has avoided war and is making progress in the ME. Unfortunately, he is more likely to be remembered for his less than Presidential actions, his frequent divergence from the truth and the appearance of being a sore loser.
If he were to have a second term, the concern is that the emergence of China as the dominent power in the world would be accelerated in a vaccuum left by a crippled US. Remember, real politique trumps ideologyl. Blaming the media is ignoring the real problem. President Trump brought it all on himself. Google the links I've provided above. It is that kind of adolecent behaviour that is overshadowing the good he has done. The media did not fake his ill advised behaviour but it sells news papers.
He should have stayed in marketing. People may not have liked him but he would not be the laughing stock of the world.
He was good for Canada, though. In the NAFTA.2 negotiations, Freeland played him like a fiddle.

Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 10:43:30 AM
Trump Shoves Prime Minister of Montenegro at NATO Meeting May 25, 2017 on you Tube
United Nations Laughs At President Trump's Claim Sept. 25, 2018 on You Tube
Watch Trudeau, Macron and Johnson appear to gossip about Trump on hot mic Dec. 4 2019 on CNBC

QuoteI agree, the President has avoided war and is making progress in the ME. Unfortunately, he is more likely to be remembered for his less than Presidential actions, his frequent divergence from the truth and the appearance of being a sore loser.

Victors write the history books. The left lost the war.

QuoteIf he were to have a second term, the concern is that the emergence of China as the dominent power in the world would be accelerated in a vaccuum left by a crippled US. Remember, real politique trumps ideologyl. Blaming the media is ignoring the real problem. President Trump brought it all on himself. Google the links I've provided above. It is that kind of adolecent behaviour that is overshadowing the good he has done. The media did not fake his ill advised behaviour but it sells news papers.
He should have stayed in marketing. People may not have liked him but he would not be the laughing stock of the world.
He was good for Canada, though. In the NAFTA.2 negotiations, Freeland played him like a fiddle.

The image you're being is presented in a negative light and edited for full impact. Remember, goog is not your friend.
As to reality, the base loves his actions, he gets in the enemy's face and is relentless, and that's why they paint his as un-presidential, because they are not used to someone standing up for Patriots, people who still believe in the Republic.

I still say, whenever President Trump leaves office, the media will suffer. He has been good copy. His name has been in every CBC broadcast since he entered the Primaries except when the Covid 19 pandemic overtook everything else, and even then, when the President isn't at least mentioned, it is a rare day. People just can't look away. Now that is marketing.

Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 11:06:45 AM
I still say, whenever President Trump leaves office, the media will suffer. He has been good copy. His name has been in every CBC broadcast since he entered the Primaries except when the Covid 19 pandemic overtook everything else, and even then, when the President isn't at least mentioned, it is a rare day. People just can't look away. Now that is marketing.

That is the stupidest thing I have heard any fool say today.  Trump is on the MSM screens minimally.  Hiden Biden and Cameltoe Harass are there every few minutes.
Now, not acting Presidential, since you regurgitated that.  We Don't Want a Politician running this beloved country.  We surely don't want Biden/Harass.  And I think Cameltoe knows she is destined to be back in the Senate, since she never relinquished her seat.  Hiden Biden lies, plagiarizes, gaffes, forgets who his wife is, forgets which office he's running for, forgets what state he is in, and you seem to turn a blind eye.
Tool of the Left^^^

All that silly name calling is a bit immature. I don't watch very much American news but the CBC, Global and CTV have have mentioned President Trump almost every night in the last four and a half years. Vice President Biden was absent from the media for most of that time and Senator Harris was never mentioned until the Primaries.
Are you saying President Trump was never in the news?

Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
All that silly name calling is a bit immature. I don't watch very much American news but the CBC, Global and CTV have have mentioned President Trump almost every night in the last four and a half years. Vice President Biden was absent from the media for most of that time and Senator Harris was never mentioned until the Primaries.
Are you saying President Trump was never in the news?

Please tell me you didn't know the CBC was a Marxist backed propaganda arm?

Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2020, 02:39:57 PM
Please tell me you didn't know the CBC was a Marxist backed propaganda arm?

The CBC is a Crown Corporation, owned by the Queen, so in practice, you could say it is backed by all Canadians including the Peoples Party of Canada. Bernier might be an idiot but he is further to the right than you are. (Being on the right isn't why he is an idiot.)
Trivia note: the American Communist Party only avoided bankruptsy and total oblivion because the FBI undercover agents were just about the only members who paid their dues and went to meetings.
I am old enough to remember the "John Birch Battle Hymn of the Republic." (Look it up.)