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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2020, 06:19:07 AM »
It begs the question. The US has an incredible number of different armed police departments, yet they are presumed to be so inefficient that many people need to take the law into their own hands. There needs to be a re-examination of policing in the US.
Living in a rural area in any country presents it's own problems with crime. We just had a famous case here in Saskatchewan where a group of 5 young men drove into a farmer's yard. They appeared to be drunk and looking for things to steal so the farmer grabbed a pistol and confronted them. The pistol discharged, killing one of the young men. The others ran off. The farmer was tried for 2nd degree murder but the jury ruled the discharge was accidental and he was aquitted. The farmer's life is ruined and a 20 year old kid is dead.
Rather than running out with a gun, he should have had a safe room and survailence cameras. He and his family could have retreated to the safe room and let the RCMP deal with the thieves.
So cower in fear as they rob you blind and set your house on fire as you cook like a roast in your "Safe Place" waiting on law enforcement?
Sounds like a well thought out plan.

Or, as this guy did, stood his ground and sent a message to other would be thugs, that we won't take your shit!

You people act as if govt is your friend... Why is that?
Our Founders warned us about Govt, that's why they created a Republic with a Bill of Rights that hamstrings Govt from becoming all powerful and abusive.
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2020, 06:24:06 AM »
So cower in fear as they rob you blind and set your house on fire as you cook like a roast in your "Safe Place" waiting on law enforcement?
Sounds like a well thought out plan.

Or, as this guy did, stood his ground and sent a message to other would be thugs, that we won't take your shit!

You people act as if govt is your friend... Why is that?
Our Founders warned us about Govt, that's why they created a Republic with a Bill of Rights that hamstrings Govt from becoming all powerful and abusive.

It’s truly disturbing to read his slavespeak.....

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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2020, 06:27:56 AM »
Through the ballot box and if necessary, the courts. While we are a Constitutional Monarchy, Parliament is a check on any excesses of the Government and within Parliament the Senate is a check on the House of Commons. I guess I'm not clear on what threat you see that would deprive us of our rights. In real life terms, governments are a reflection of the people.
Even in the US, gun rights will not stop a government determined to deprive you of your rights. If the US government wants to disarm you, provided it has the backing of the US armed forces, you WILL lose your guns. In a case like that, the phrase "give me liberty or give me death," your choice will be made for you and there is not going to be a thing you can do about it. So, in 2022, choose wisely.
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2020, 06:32:58 AM »
Through the ballot box and if necessary, the courts. While we are a Constitutional Monarchy, Parliament is a check on any excesses of the Government and within Parliament the Senate is a check on the House of Commons. I guess I'm not clear on what threat you see that would deprive us of our rights. In real life terms, governments are a reflection of the people.
Even in the US, gun rights will not stop a government determined to deprive you of your rights. If the US government wants to disarm you, provided it has the backing of the US armed forces, you WILL lose your guns. In a case like that, the phrase "give me liberty or give me death," your choice will be made for you and there is not going to be a thing you can do about it. So, in 2022, choose wisely.

The vote was the last vestige of "freedom" we had in America. If that "freedom" has been taken away by fraud, it ceases to exist. If this is not "fixed", EVERY election from here on in will be a sham and the United States will be just like every third world banana republic out there.
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2020, 07:16:33 AM »
So cower in fear as they rob you blind and set your house on fire as you cook like a roast in your "Safe Place" waiting on law enforcement?
Sounds like a well thought out plan.

Or, as this guy did, stood his ground and sent a message to other would be thugs, that we won't take your shit!

You people act as if govt is your friend... Why is that?
Our Founders warned us about Govt, that's why they created a Republic with a Bill of Rights that hamstrings Govt from becoming all powerful and abusive.
The point is, we don't cower in fear. There are fewer than 700 homicides per year in a country of almost 40 million people. Most killings are domestic disputes and a few Gand / drug related killings. In the Nova Scotia tragedy last April, a gun would not have saved any of the victims since the killer was wearing an RCMP uniform and they trusted him.
The farmer I mentioned earlier would have been convicted had he not been able to convince a jury the pistol went off by accident. Self defence is only pemitted in a case where your life or another person's life is in imminent danger. Killing a thief is murder.
If we are living in"slavery" most Canadians would say bring it on, because life here is great. Now, my wife is standing by the door with our skis and life is too short to waste all this snow and sunshine.
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2020, 07:24:48 AM »
It’s truly disturbing to read his slavespeak.....
Yes, it is, but then I can't really blame him because Canada is literally decades behind what the US once was, a peaceful nation where everyone essentially got along and agreed in principle that our Nation was good and not much bad ever happens.
Canada is starting to show signs that corruption is deeply embedded and the people are only just recently becoming aware of it.

Growing up in the Calif Capitol was like a Mayberry episode, we seldom saw murders, rapes, let alone kidnapping, nothing much ever happened till libs came out from the East coast and with them, brought perversion, and look at Ca, just 50 years later and it mirrors Venezuela.

It won't be long before Canada is forced to have an abortion, then everyone will become aware of the evil that hid within.
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2020, 07:26:08 AM »
The vote was the last vestige of "freedom" we had in America. If that "freedom" has been taken away by fraud, it ceases to exist. If this is not "fixed", EVERY election from here on in will be a sham and the United States will be just like every third world banana republic out there.
As well as other North American countries... If not stopped, the Marxists will have won.
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2020, 08:03:54 AM »
It begs the question. The US has an incredible number of different armed police departments, yet they are presumed to be so inefficient that many people need to take the law into their own hands. There needs to be a re-examination of policing in the US.
Living in a rural area in any country presents it's own problems with crime. We just had a famous case here in Saskatchewan where a group of 5 young men drove into a farmer's yard. They appeared to be drunk and looking for things to steal so the farmer grabbed a pistol and confronted them. The pistol discharged, killing one of the young men. The others ran off. The farmer was tried for 2nd degree murder but the jury ruled the discharge was accidental and he was aquitted. The farmer's life is ruined and a 20 year old kid is dead.
Rather than running out with a gun, he should have had a safe room and survailence cameras. He and his family could have retreated to the safe room and let the RCMP deal with the thieves.

That sir is naive.
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2020, 08:19:29 AM »
Guns are not a God given right. I am a gun owner but it is a privelege, not a right. I bought them in my youth in anticipation of the American invasion. Not my best idea.
In that light, WTF does anyone need a gun for? The police are 30 seconds away so I don't need one for self defence. A lot of people are hunters but that is a sport, not a neccessity. Most Canadians believe the idea of people walking around with pistols is nuts. We don't need nor want a Constitutional right to bear arms, but if you want it in the US, knock yourselves out.

Really? Not a "right" but, rather a "privilege"? Well, I have several copies of the U.S. Constitution and no where does it use the word "privilege" in the second Amendment. Rather it says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms...".

So you are either deliberately lying about what the U.S. Constitution says OR you are clueless as to what the U.S. Constitution says. Now which one is it?
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2020, 02:19:24 PM »
Really? Not a "right" but, rather a "privilege"? Well, I have several copies of the U.S. Constitution and no where does it use the word "privilege" in the second Amendment. Rather it says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms...".

So you are either deliberately lying about what the U.S. Constitution says OR you are clueless as to what the U.S. Constitution says. Now which one is it?
You misunderstood. It is a God given right in the US, but in Canada it is a privilege. We are happy with that but you have that right from God. No argument.
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2020, 02:34:46 PM »
You misunderstood. It is a God given right in the US, but in Canada it is a privilege. We are happy with that but you have that right from God. No argument.

It’s a human right....of all humans.....everywhere.....

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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2020, 05:51:50 PM »
You misunderstood. It is a God given right in the US, but in Canada it is a privilege. We are happy with that but you have that right from God. No argument.

The people of the United States are not "better" than others. If they are God given rights then they are God given to EVERYONE who is human regardless of what country they reside in. Scripture is God breathed for ALL mankind, not just those in a certain country.
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2020, 06:32:01 PM »
You misunderstood. It is a God given right in the US, but in Canada it is a privilege. We are happy with that but you have that right from God. No argument.

What you don't understand, your "privilege" can also be taken away at any time.  Just like your movement to go out and do what you like right now.   So you have NO gun right up North.  You have a "privilege" to post on this board.   Do you have that same right to say and do what you like in Canada, above the Fifty-Four Forty right now?
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2020, 06:40:39 PM »
What you don't understand, your "privilege" can also be taken away at any time.  Just like your movement to go out and do what you like right now.   So you have NO gun right up North.  You have a "privilege" to post on this board.   Do you have that same right to say and do what you like in Canada, above the Fifty-Four Forty right now?

Yeah, here in America, we have rights but, in Canada they have "privileges". Their "privileges" can be taken away at any moment as the politicians see fit...
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Re: The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms...
« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2021, 05:57:17 PM »
I'll protect my family, myself, and my home by whatever means I deem appropriate. Emphasis on "I". The end.
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