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General Category => The Constitution => Topic started by: Sick Of Silence on June 26, 2018, 12:03:46 PM

Title: The First Amendment is dead
Post by: Sick Of Silence on June 26, 2018, 12:03:46 PM
And Liberals killed it. We don't have Free Speech, Free Expression, Free Religion, Free Press, or Free Though anymore.

I'm talking about true Free Speech. Individual Liberals, Liberal Groups, Liberal Politian's, Liberal Media, Liberal Entertainment have become an extension of government and they are prohibiting the free exercise of The First Amendment. Where the baker can't deny a cake without being punished but the restaurant can kick out the White House employee without any repercussions. Where the actress can lose her show after a comment that many people agree with but the old actor and the old politician can threaten someone and not be punished.

There is responsibility in having the First Amendment. Morals. But, it doesn't matter because it is dead.
Title: Re: The First Amendment is dead
Post by: supsalemgr on June 26, 2018, 12:30:54 PM
And Liberals killed it. We don't have Free Speech, Free Expression, Free Religion, Free Press, or Free Though anymore.

I'm talking about true Free Speech. Individual Liberals, Liberal Groups, Liberal Politian's, Liberal Media, Liberal Entertainment have become an extension of government and they are prohibiting the free exercise of The First Amendment. Where the baker can't deny a cake without being punished but the restaurant can kick out the White House employee without any repercussions. Where the actress can lose her show after a comment that many people agree with but the old actor and the old politician can threaten someone and not be punished.

There is responsibility in having the First Amendment. Morals. But, it doesn't matter because it is dead.

The First Amendment is not dead. It is under attack by the left. It is up to us to fight these attacks. We can never lose faith the document is strong.
Title: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: Sick Of Silence on July 08, 2018, 01:38:24 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-church-booted-from-building-after-posting-anti-lgbt-sign/ar-AAzIpmy?li=BBnbfcL#image=1

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An Indiana church has been kicked out of its building after posting a sign that said "LGBTQ is a hate crime."

A member of Remnant Fellowship Church in Auburn confirmed to ABC-affiliate WPTA21 that they had been forced out, following reports that the church appeared to have vacated the building.

The church placed the sign, reading, "LGBTQ is a hate crime against God. Repent," outside the church late last month, sparking backlash.

Their First Amendment was silenced.
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: Solar on July 08, 2018, 06:27:12 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-church-booted-from-building-after-posting-anti-lgbt-sign/ar-AAzIpmy?li=BBnbfcL#image=1

Their First Amendment was silenced.
You could say, I control the First Amendment on this forum. Just because you have a Right to speak, doesn't mean you have a Right to be heard.
No one's rights were violated and if it were to go to court, I would expect the courts to follow the law and toss the case out.

In truth, no, I do not have any effect on the First, or rather, it has none over me and this forum.
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: T Hunt on July 08, 2018, 08:39:35 AM
You could say, I control the First Amendment on this forum. Just because you have a Right to speak, doesn't mean you have a Right to be heard.
No one's rights were violated and if it were to go to court, I would expect the courts to follow the law and toss the case out.

In truth, no, I do not have any effect on the First, or rather, it has none over me and this forum.

The 1st amendment was a limit on gvt, not ppl. However, how do churches keep this from happening, how to keep buisness owners from scilencing certain parts of the bible? Well they will have to put a version of the 1st ammendment in their contracts, basically saying that the contract cannot be broken over speech or religious issues.
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: Solar on July 08, 2018, 08:56:18 AM
The 1st amendment was a limit on gvt, not ppl. However, how do churches keep this from happening, how to keep buisness owners from scilencing certain parts of the bible? Well they will have to put a version of the 1st ammendment in their contracts, basically saying that the contract cannot be broken over speech or religious issues.
Orrr, build their own church and quit renting space from degenerates.
Sorry, they don't have a leg to stand on, we're a free country for a reason.
As disgusting as this is and a reflection on the incursion the Marxist have made into our culture, we're still a Nation of laws.
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: T Hunt on July 08, 2018, 09:04:06 AM
Orrr, build their own church and quit renting space from degenerates.
Sorry, they don't have a leg to stand on, we're a free country for a reason.
As disgusting as this is and a reflection on the incursion the Marxist have made into our culture, we're still a Nation of laws.

If it had been in their contract like i suggested then they wld have a leg to stand on.
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: Solar on July 08, 2018, 09:21:02 AM
If it had been in their contract like i suggested then they wld have a leg to stand on.
But they didn't. The law offers no remedy where private enterprise is considered.
Is it hypocritical? You bet, just imagine if this had been a gay church, (as asinine as that sounds) and the building owner kicked them out, the left would be demanding unconstitutional laws be enacted.
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: Sick Of Silence on July 08, 2018, 09:28:24 AM
You could say, I control the First Amendment on this forum.

The whole purpose of a forum IS speech. It's one thing to stop the political arguments on a non-political forum but this a political one so Freedom Of Speech is at the core of our issues.

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Just because you have a Right to speak, doesn't mean you have a Right to be heard.
No one's rights were violated and if it were to go to court, I would expect the courts to follow the law and toss the case out.

This is a form of not serving Mrs. Sanders.

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In truth, no, I do not have any effect on the First, or rather, it has none over me and this forum.

Just wait till they start going after you and this forum. Believe me, going after Conservatives via direct internet or website providers is next. In fact, it's already here. Shutting down pro-white website has happened while pro non-white, pro Muslim, and pro Liberal websites remain untouched.

That message is not hate speech. It is a play on words. A religious play on words. But, it got silenced. This is a form of heckler's veto.
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: Solar on July 08, 2018, 09:54:45 AM
The whole purpose of a forum IS speech. It's one thing to stop the political arguments on a non-political forum but this a political one so Freedom Of Speech is at the core of our issues.
Like I said, you do not have a Right to be heard.
This is a form of not serving Mrs. Sanders.

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Just wait till they start going after you and this forum. Believe me, going after Conservatives via direct internet or website providers is next. In fact, it's already here. Shutting down pro-white website has happened while pro non-white, pro Muslim, and pro Liberal websites remain untouched.
They try on a daily basis, that's why I pay big bucks to keep us alive.

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That message is not hate speech. It is a play on words. A religious play on words. But, it got silenced. This is a form of heckler's veto.
Regardless, it was legal.
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: enola on July 09, 2018, 05:05:36 AM
The whole purpose of a forum IS speech. It's one thing to stop the political arguments on a non-political forum but this a political one so Freedom Of Speech is at the core of our issues.

I tried to think of one instance where someone with a high station was kicked out of a restaurant prior to the SCOTUS ruling in favor of the baker. I couldn't come up with anything. Is it possible that the ruling you expected and favor had a direct influence on S. Sanders being asked to leave? Personally, I think it does.
So, with a win in one column, you lose in another and that is called life. It's also called cause and effect. Too, the analogy is not equal. The baker did not refuse service to the customer. Whereas, the restaurant did indeed. One was religious in nature while the other was political.

Being that this is the Constitution forum, I would expect that a contention would be backed up with Constitutional facts and authoritative argument of intent by it's authors. Very little of which has been offered here.
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: Solar on July 09, 2018, 07:41:03 AM

I tried to think of one instance where someone with a high station was kicked out of a restaurant prior to the SCOTUS ruling in favor of the baker. I couldn't come up with anything. Is it possible that the ruling you expected and favor had a direct influence on S. Sanders being asked to leave? Personally, I think it does.
So, with a win in one column, you lose in another and that is called life. It's also called cause and effect. Too, the analogy is not equal. The baker did not refuse service to the customer. Whereas, the restaurant did indeed. One was religious in nature while the other was political.
Who knows that answer but the person that kicked her out, then proceeded to harass her in another restaurant.
But it wasn't so much the reasons behind it, rather a reflection of the frustration on the left and the everyday losses they're experiencing. I can't blame them, their world is collapsing and it's palpable.
We suffered it for the last 30+ years, and the left is experiencing the same effect, only on steroids in a little over a year..

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Being that this is the Constitution forum, I would expect that a contention would be backed up with Constitutional facts and authoritative argument of intent by its authors. Very little of which has been offered here.
That was kind of my point, there is nothing unconstitutional about what they did. There are consequences in life, and the church leadership screwed up and got booted.
They're renters, like guests in a sense, though they pay for the privilege of staying, that doesn't afford them any special rights, like insulting your host.
I have no sympathy for stupid people, religious or otherwise.
Title: Re: The First Amendment is dead
Post by: Sick Of Silence on July 09, 2018, 10:08:12 AM
Just because Liberals weren't legally (Constitutionally) wrong, it doesn't make them morally right.

The church got booted for bullshit reasons. Putting a religious message on their sign isn't out of context of what they would normally do. First it's this baker, then this church, and finally they will come to silencing me with my private, personal views. You said it yourself Solar that you have to fight it on a daily basis for this forum. There you go. You or I might not live in that church's area, nor be a religious follower. But, we all should support that church on the basis of The First Amendment.

I wonder about the legal side of booting the church: can they just stop their contract just like that? It normally takes an act of Congress to get a tenant removed. And, if whatever biased, activist judge allows it to happen, then yes IT IS the government clamping down on your free Speech. Just like that baker receiving a $130K fine.
Title: Re: The First Amendment is dead
Post by: Solar on July 09, 2018, 10:42:08 AM
Just because Liberals weren't legally (Constitutionally) wrong, it doesn't make them morally right.

The church got booted for bullshit reasons. Putting a religious message on their sign isn't out of context of what they would normally do. First it's this baker, then this church, and finally they will come to silencing me with my private, personal views. You said it yourself Solar that you have to fight it on a daily basis for this forum. There you go. You or I might not live in that church's area, nor be a religious follower. But, we all should support that church on the basis of The First Amendment.

I wonder about the legal side of booting the church: can they just stop their contract just like that? It normally takes an act of Congress to get a tenant removed. And, if whatever biased, activist judge allows it to happen, then yes IT IS the government clamping down on your free Speech. Just like that baker receiving a $130K fine.
We are a nation of laws. So tell me, what law you would write that would protect the church that doesn't interfere with the First Amendment or Rights of the individual?
I think you''re missing the consequences here.
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: s3779m on July 09, 2018, 12:00:26 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-church-booted-from-building-after-posting-anti-lgbt-sign/ar-AAzIpmy?li=BBnbfcL#image=1

Their First Amendment was silenced.
I hope they fight it in court, I believe they will have a good shot. Question will be is it worth it and what is in the contract.
Title: Re: The First Amendment is dead
Post by: Solar on July 09, 2018, 12:17:09 PM
The small church, which was founded in April, is up front with people about its mission to "stand apart from the last days apostate church and stand for biblical truth and faithfulness to God and His Word."

https://www.christianpost.com/news/indiana-church-sign-says-lgbt-is-hate-crime-against-god-repent-protest-planned-225458/

Here's the Faceplant link, but I can't read it because I dumped the leftist scum.

https://www.facebook.com/heartmindsoulstrength/posts/613470602324617
Title: Re: The First Amendment is dead
Post by: Sick Of Silence on July 09, 2018, 06:17:03 PM
We are a nation of laws. So tell me, what law you would write that would protect the church that doesn't interfere with the First Amendment or Rights of the individual?
I think you''re missing the consequences here.

I know you are. We should all stand with this church. Period. This is another attack on Freedom Of Speech, Freedom Of Expression, and Freedom Of Religion. Like I said, first is this business owner, then it's this private organization, and then We The People are next.

We need to call Liberals out on every immoral, illegal, Unconstitutional, or hypocritical act they attempt. If this church did nothing illegal, there should not be any reason to evict them. We can figure out if there is any illegal wrong doing but we need to first call them out on the immoral wrong doing. If it so happens that a property owner throws out any Muslim church, you can be money that Liberals will be up in arms about that so we can call them out on their hypocrisy as usual. Call them out. Fight fire with fire.
Title: Re: The First Amendment is dead
Post by: Solar on July 09, 2018, 07:22:39 PM
I know you are. We should all stand with this church. Period. This is another attack on Freedom Of Speech, Freedom Of Expression, and Freedom Of Religion. Like I said, first is this business owner, then it's this private organization, and then We The People are next.

We need to call Liberals out on every immoral, illegal, Unconstitutional, or hypocritical act they attempt. If this church did nothing illegal, there should not be any reason to evict them. We can figure out if there is any illegal wrong doing but we need to first call them out on the immoral wrong doing. If it so happens that a property owner throws out any Muslim church, you can be money that Liberals will be up in arms about that so we can call them out on their hypocrisy as usual. Call them out. Fight fire with fire.
Yes, I agree, it is an attack, but there are ramifications to changing the law.

Say, for example, you owned a building and your tenants were preaching white hate speech, you'd be within your rights to not renew their lease.
But if the law were to change, and Heaven forbids we screw with the Constitution, you'd be shit out of luck in getting rid of them.

I was reading up on this so called church, it's closer to a Jonesburrrow cult than it is actual religion.
So when people kick the Jones burrow cult out of town, do you see that as an attack on religiion?
Title: Re: The First Amendment is dead
Post by: Sick Of Silence on July 09, 2018, 08:07:21 PM
Yes, I agree, it is an attack, but there are ramifications to changing the law.

Say, for example, you owned a building and your tenants were preaching white hate speech, you'd be within your rights to not renew their lease.
But if the law were to change, and Heaven forbids we screw with the Constitution, you'd be shit out of luck in getting rid of them.

I was reading up on this so called church, it's closer to a Jonesburrrow cult than it is actual religion.
So when people kick the Jones burrow cult out of town, do you see that as an attack on religiion?

I'm not a religious person. I don't go to any church. I'm not directly defending this church. I wouldn't deny a cake just on the basis of religion.

But, if I WANTED to make that same statement as the church has, then they would go after me as well. I see that there is an attack on the First Amendment by the same people who screamed for the defense of it in the past.

I'm not demanding for changing laws that would hurt us in the long run. Let's just start with both of us calling out Liberals on their morality, investigate their legality/Constitutionality of it, and change/correct things for the better. Sometimes, your direct Constitutional stance get's in the way of calling out immorality or the demanding of decency. You give the impression that it's not illegal so that's that. It's like we are not allowed to have a certain Conservative stance or opinion with this site or you.

As you might tell, First Amendment has become an important issue with me.
Title: Q
Post by: Solar on July 09, 2018, 09:27:11 PM
I'm not a religious person. I don't go to any church. I'm not directly defending this church. I wouldn't deny a cake just on the basis of religion.

But, if I WANTED to make that same statement as the church has, then they would go after me as well. I see that there is an attack on the First Amendment by the same people who screamed for the defense of it in the past.

I'm not demanding for changing laws that would hurt us in the long run. Let's just start with both of us calling out Liberals on their morality, investigate their legality/Constitutionality of it, and change/correct things for the better. Sometimes, your direct Constitutional stance get's in the way of calling out immorality or the demanding of decency. You give the impression that it's not illegal so that's that. It's like we are not allowed to have a certain Conservative stance or opinion with this site or you.

As you might tell, First Amendment has become an important issue with me.
Bull Shit! Don't even Fuckin go there!

As a Conservative, I stand on the side of our Founding Documents, nothing more, nothing less!

You started a thread claiming the First Amendment is dead, which I think is pure bull shit, but I, in no way, stifled your speech, nor did I censor your rant.

You claim Rosie was somehow censored because she was fired. That my friend is other people exercising their Right to not have to listen to her loonie ass.
Or the restaurant that kicked Sanders out for her points of view. This is something that leftist nutcase lib paid a heavy price for, and guess what Right protected the people that protested that forced her to close her restaurant? That's Right, the First Amendment!

Pick your battles, because getting upset over every loonie leftist move does nothing but give them the attention they seek.
Just because I don't agree with your outrage over a non-issue, or pointing out, that so far as we know on the surface, no law was broken.
You do know, the church had only just started in April, that's just two months old, it's not as if they were an established church, Hell, look at the building they were renting, looks like an auto parts store.

They made the mistake of painting a target on themselves by initiating angst, in turn bringing the wrath of leftists who happen to look for this stuff.
No, they do not deserve my sympathies.
This is literally akin to marching into East La and calling all the Mexicans a bunch of lawbreakers, then expecting police protection for their stupid behavior.
They stupidly brought this upon themselves then hide behind religious freedom.

Scrrew them, they're idiots!
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 12:25:06 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-church-booted-from-building-after-posting-anti-lgbt-sign/ar-AAzIpmy?li=BBnbfcL#image=1

Their First Amendment was silenced.
So it was the government that kicked them out?  I saw nothing in your link that says any government agency was responsible for giving them the boot.    The 1st amendment is all about limiting the government, not a private business.

Ranb
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 12:50:04 AM
So it was the government that kicked them out?  I saw nothing in your link that says any government agency was responsible for giving them the boot.    The 1st amendment is all about limiting the government, not a private business.

Ranb

Either the property owner booted them because they are Liberal, or some Liberals complained and the property owner caved to the pressure.

Nobody said it was government doing it. It is you tyrannical Liberals doing it. To get offended over a rather mild statement makes you people North Korea in my book,
Title: Re: The First Amendment is dead
Post by: ConservativeInCT on October 20, 2018, 08:17:49 AM
The First Amendment is not dead. It is under attack by the left. It is up to us to fight these attacks. We can never lose faith the document is strong.

Perfectly said.
Title: Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 01:41:36 PM
Nobody said it was government doing it. It is you tyrannical Liberals doing it. To get offended over a rather mild statement makes you people North Korea in my book,
Naive statement.  North Korea would've starved them out instead of revoking the lease or whatever it was that made the church leave.

I have no beef with the church, they can say as they please.  Had I been their landlord, I would not have made them leave over a sign that merely started their beliefs.