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Offline Sick Of Silence

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The First Amendment is dead
« on: June 26, 2018, 12:03:46 PM »
And Liberals killed it. We don't have Free Speech, Free Expression, Free Religion, Free Press, or Free Though anymore.

I'm talking about true Free Speech. Individual Liberals, Liberal Groups, Liberal Politian's, Liberal Media, Liberal Entertainment have become an extension of government and they are prohibiting the free exercise of The First Amendment. Where the baker can't deny a cake without being punished but the restaurant can kick out the White House employee without any repercussions. Where the actress can lose her show after a comment that many people agree with but the old actor and the old politician can threaten someone and not be punished.

There is responsibility in having the First Amendment. Morals. But, it doesn't matter because it is dead.
Here is your first lesson about Free Speech...

...shut up about it!

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Re: The First Amendment is dead
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2018, 12:30:54 PM »
And Liberals killed it. We don't have Free Speech, Free Expression, Free Religion, Free Press, or Free Though anymore.

I'm talking about true Free Speech. Individual Liberals, Liberal Groups, Liberal Politian's, Liberal Media, Liberal Entertainment have become an extension of government and they are prohibiting the free exercise of The First Amendment. Where the baker can't deny a cake without being punished but the restaurant can kick out the White House employee without any repercussions. Where the actress can lose her show after a comment that many people agree with but the old actor and the old politician can threaten someone and not be punished.

There is responsibility in having the First Amendment. Morals. But, it doesn't matter because it is dead.

The First Amendment is not dead. It is under attack by the left. It is up to us to fight these attacks. We can never lose faith the document is strong.
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Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2018, 01:38:24 AM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-church-booted-from-building-after-posting-anti-lgbt-sign/ar-AAzIpmy?li=BBnbfcL#image=1

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An Indiana church has been kicked out of its building after posting a sign that said "LGBTQ is a hate crime."

A member of Remnant Fellowship Church in Auburn confirmed to ABC-affiliate WPTA21 that they had been forced out, following reports that the church appeared to have vacated the building.

The church placed the sign, reading, "LGBTQ is a hate crime against God. Repent," outside the church late last month, sparking backlash.

Their First Amendment was silenced.
Here is your first lesson about Free Speech...

...shut up about it!

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Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2018, 06:27:12 AM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-church-booted-from-building-after-posting-anti-lgbt-sign/ar-AAzIpmy?li=BBnbfcL#image=1

Their First Amendment was silenced.
You could say, I control the First Amendment on this forum. Just because you have a Right to speak, doesn't mean you have a Right to be heard.
No one's rights were violated and if it were to go to court, I would expect the courts to follow the law and toss the case out.

In truth, no, I do not have any effect on the First, or rather, it has none over me and this forum.
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Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2018, 08:39:35 AM »
You could say, I control the First Amendment on this forum. Just because you have a Right to speak, doesn't mean you have a Right to be heard.
No one's rights were violated and if it were to go to court, I would expect the courts to follow the law and toss the case out.

In truth, no, I do not have any effect on the First, or rather, it has none over me and this forum.

The 1st amendment was a limit on gvt, not ppl. However, how do churches keep this from happening, how to keep buisness owners from scilencing certain parts of the bible? Well they will have to put a version of the 1st ammendment in their contracts, basically saying that the contract cannot be broken over speech or religious issues.

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Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2018, 08:56:18 AM »
The 1st amendment was a limit on gvt, not ppl. However, how do churches keep this from happening, how to keep buisness owners from scilencing certain parts of the bible? Well they will have to put a version of the 1st ammendment in their contracts, basically saying that the contract cannot be broken over speech or religious issues.
Orrr, build their own church and quit renting space from degenerates.
Sorry, they don't have a leg to stand on, we're a free country for a reason.
As disgusting as this is and a reflection on the incursion the Marxist have made into our culture, we're still a Nation of laws.
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Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2018, 09:04:06 AM »
Orrr, build their own church and quit renting space from degenerates.
Sorry, they don't have a leg to stand on, we're a free country for a reason.
As disgusting as this is and a reflection on the incursion the Marxist have made into our culture, we're still a Nation of laws.

If it had been in their contract like i suggested then they wld have a leg to stand on.

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Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2018, 09:21:02 AM »
If it had been in their contract like i suggested then they wld have a leg to stand on.
But they didn't. The law offers no remedy where private enterprise is considered.
Is it hypocritical? You bet, just imagine if this had been a gay church, (as asinine as that sounds) and the building owner kicked them out, the left would be demanding unconstitutional laws be enacted.
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Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2018, 09:28:24 AM »
You could say, I control the First Amendment on this forum.

The whole purpose of a forum IS speech. It's one thing to stop the political arguments on a non-political forum but this a political one so Freedom Of Speech is at the core of our issues.

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Just because you have a Right to speak, doesn't mean you have a Right to be heard.
No one's rights were violated and if it were to go to court, I would expect the courts to follow the law and toss the case out.

This is a form of not serving Mrs. Sanders.

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In truth, no, I do not have any effect on the First, or rather, it has none over me and this forum.

Just wait till they start going after you and this forum. Believe me, going after Conservatives via direct internet or website providers is next. In fact, it's already here. Shutting down pro-white website has happened while pro non-white, pro Muslim, and pro Liberal websites remain untouched.

That message is not hate speech. It is a play on words. A religious play on words. But, it got silenced. This is a form of heckler's veto.
Here is your first lesson about Free Speech...

...shut up about it!

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Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2018, 09:54:45 AM »
The whole purpose of a forum IS speech. It's one thing to stop the political arguments on a non-political forum but this a political one so Freedom Of Speech is at the core of our issues.
Like I said, you do not have a Right to be heard.
This is a form of not serving Mrs. Sanders.

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Just wait till they start going after you and this forum. Believe me, going after Conservatives via direct internet or website providers is next. In fact, it's already here. Shutting down pro-white website has happened while pro non-white, pro Muslim, and pro Liberal websites remain untouched.
They try on a daily basis, that's why I pay big bucks to keep us alive.

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That message is not hate speech. It is a play on words. A religious play on words. But, it got silenced. This is a form of heckler's veto.
Regardless, it was legal.
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Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2018, 05:05:36 AM »
The whole purpose of a forum IS speech. It's one thing to stop the political arguments on a non-political forum but this a political one so Freedom Of Speech is at the core of our issues.

I tried to think of one instance where someone with a high station was kicked out of a restaurant prior to the SCOTUS ruling in favor of the baker. I couldn't come up with anything. Is it possible that the ruling you expected and favor had a direct influence on S. Sanders being asked to leave? Personally, I think it does.
So, with a win in one column, you lose in another and that is called life. It's also called cause and effect. Too, the analogy is not equal. The baker did not refuse service to the customer. Whereas, the restaurant did indeed. One was religious in nature while the other was political.

Being that this is the Constitution forum, I would expect that a contention would be backed up with Constitutional facts and authoritative argument of intent by it's authors. Very little of which has been offered here.
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Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2018, 07:41:03 AM »

I tried to think of one instance where someone with a high station was kicked out of a restaurant prior to the SCOTUS ruling in favor of the baker. I couldn't come up with anything. Is it possible that the ruling you expected and favor had a direct influence on S. Sanders being asked to leave? Personally, I think it does.
So, with a win in one column, you lose in another and that is called life. It's also called cause and effect. Too, the analogy is not equal. The baker did not refuse service to the customer. Whereas, the restaurant did indeed. One was religious in nature while the other was political.
Who knows that answer but the person that kicked her out, then proceeded to harass her in another restaurant.
But it wasn't so much the reasons behind it, rather a reflection of the frustration on the left and the everyday losses they're experiencing. I can't blame them, their world is collapsing and it's palpable.
We suffered it for the last 30+ years, and the left is experiencing the same effect, only on steroids in a little over a year..

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Being that this is the Constitution forum, I would expect that a contention would be backed up with Constitutional facts and authoritative argument of intent by its authors. Very little of which has been offered here.
That was kind of my point, there is nothing unconstitutional about what they did. There are consequences in life, and the church leadership screwed up and got booted.
They're renters, like guests in a sense, though they pay for the privilege of staying, that doesn't afford them any special rights, like insulting your host.
I have no sympathy for stupid people, religious or otherwise.
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Re: The First Amendment is dead
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2018, 10:08:12 AM »
Just because Liberals weren't legally (Constitutionally) wrong, it doesn't make them morally right.

The church got booted for bullshit reasons. Putting a religious message on their sign isn't out of context of what they would normally do. First it's this baker, then this church, and finally they will come to silencing me with my private, personal views. You said it yourself Solar that you have to fight it on a daily basis for this forum. There you go. You or I might not live in that church's area, nor be a religious follower. But, we all should support that church on the basis of The First Amendment.

I wonder about the legal side of booting the church: can they just stop their contract just like that? It normally takes an act of Congress to get a tenant removed. And, if whatever biased, activist judge allows it to happen, then yes IT IS the government clamping down on your free Speech. Just like that baker receiving a $130K fine.
Here is your first lesson about Free Speech...

...shut up about it!

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Re: The First Amendment is dead
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2018, 10:42:08 AM »
Just because Liberals weren't legally (Constitutionally) wrong, it doesn't make them morally right.

The church got booted for bullshit reasons. Putting a religious message on their sign isn't out of context of what they would normally do. First it's this baker, then this church, and finally they will come to silencing me with my private, personal views. You said it yourself Solar that you have to fight it on a daily basis for this forum. There you go. You or I might not live in that church's area, nor be a religious follower. But, we all should support that church on the basis of The First Amendment.

I wonder about the legal side of booting the church: can they just stop their contract just like that? It normally takes an act of Congress to get a tenant removed. And, if whatever biased, activist judge allows it to happen, then yes IT IS the government clamping down on your free Speech. Just like that baker receiving a $130K fine.
We are a nation of laws. So tell me, what law you would write that would protect the church that doesn't interfere with the First Amendment or Rights of the individual?
I think you''re missing the consequences here.
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Re: Indiana church booted from building after posting anti-LGBT sign
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2018, 12:00:26 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-church-booted-from-building-after-posting-anti-lgbt-sign/ar-AAzIpmy?li=BBnbfcL#image=1

Their First Amendment was silenced.
I hope they fight it in court, I believe they will have a good shot. Question will be is it worth it and what is in the contract.

 

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