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Quote from: ChrisABrown on July 10, 2016, 11:04:57 PM
You mean these?

Do you agree and accept that the framers of the founding documents intended for us to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?
This was already answered, but I'd like to see where Jefferson included it in the Constitution.
It was an obvious component of the Declaration, for without it, there was no cause for rebellion.
Do you think we've reached the conditions Jefferson laid out to the British at the time of it's creation?
Is that the entire point of your argument, revolution? I said we're on the precipice, but have yet to tip to the point that a coup can be validated, nor does this forum back such behavior as anarchy, instead we believe in the rule of law and believe we are making serious change in stealing the GOP from the leftists.

QuoteDo you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish?
There you go again with this "alter or abolish" crap. Alter or abolish What? the Constitution, the govt, the Bill of Rights, the two party system? Finish the damned question.

QuoteIf so, the two inquiry are to determine if a poster unconditionally supports the 1787 constitution.

You see, this is the bad grammar I was talking about, you give no actual qualifier, and your choice of the wrong words, or rather lack thereof to clarify your point, which leaves your audience trying to decipher what you were seeking in an answer.

QuoteLooks like solar is trying to bait me after not being accountable to support his first assertions with facts.  One sided accountability is not worth investing while one sided exposure of fraudulent intent is.

No, I'm not trying to bait you, I'm trying to get you to be more concise in your line of questioning as well as give conclusion.
So far all you've done is play find Waldo in ideas, a game for kids, though I get it, you're young and recently in the last decade discovered Libertarianism because of your disdain for the process and a need for simplification in the process.

When dealing in law, one cannot be vague, one cannot be sloppy, and especially important one must speak clear and plain English.
If you want this discussion to continue, I suggest you simplify you points and clarify your goal.
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Quote from: Jonathan on July 10, 2016, 11:43:38 PM
It appears to me that Mr. Solar and Mr. Superb Sales Manager are cornfused. Wonder from where they became learned.
Obviously ChrisABrown needed help, so he called out his buddy from another forum.
We've all seen it, so cut the bull shit, the last thing welcome on this forum are trolls.
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Quote from: supsalemgr on July 10, 2016, 10:11:15 AM
I am sorry, but at this point you are bordering on troll status. Your initial post has been thoroughly discussed and you will not turn it loose.
That's exactly what he is, a one note Charlie, a myopic fool with one goal in mind, though he has yet to reveal the point behind his innocuous senseless line of questions.
Check this out, found where he's been to several forums making a fool of himself and all opening with the same stupid question.

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Quote from: Jonathan on July 10, 2016, 11:39:55 PM
(1)  Do you agree and accept that the framers of the founding documents intended for us to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?

(2)  Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish?


To support my affirmation of the above two questions, I quote Thomas Jefferson, "When . . . it becomes necessary . . . to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them . . . they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Unity requires agreement between two or more persons. In the due course of a Republic, such unity in speech requires a majority of a smaller group of persons to unite behind one speaking voice. And, it follows that, a majority of the duly elected speaking voices must unite into one speaking voice. That one voice speaks the idea to which We the People choose to civilly abide. In a Republic, the elected people create the law under which We the People voluntarily acquiesce.

As opposed to having an oppressive democracy in which 51% rule over the 49%.

Affirmed!  Excellent.

I might clarify the representatives elected in a republic make law congruent with the principles of the republic, as opposed to an oppressive democracy where voter might be mislead by tyrants and end up voting against their best interests.

The beauty of our republic is that is basis is natural law of the highest social
order meaning agreement upon it is simple, human common sense.  That, greatly extends the potential for agreement and unity amongst the people.

The first inquiry anchors the second inquiry within the intent behind article V of the constitution and enables that intent with connection to the First Amendment.

So why am I not permitted to have a thread specifically for doing that?

tac

Quote from: Jonathan on July 10, 2016, 11:39:55 PM
(1)  Do you agree and accept that the framers of the founding documents intended for us to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?

(2)  Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish?


To support my affirmation of the above two questions, I quote Thomas Jefferson, "When . . . it becomes necessary . . . to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them . . . they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Unity requires agreement between two or more persons. In the due course of a Republic, such unity in speech requires a majority of a smaller group of persons to unite behind one speaking voice. And, it follows that, a majority of the duly elected speaking voices must unite into one speaking voice. That one voice speaks the idea to which We the People choose to civilly abide. In a Republic, the elected people create the law under which We the People voluntarily acquiesce.

As opposed to having an oppressive democracy in which 51% rule over the 49%.

http://algoxy.com/law/lawfulpeacefulrevolution.html

Nice copy/paste theft.

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Quote from: Solar on July 11, 2016, 07:18:43 AM
That's exactly what he is, a one note Charlie, a myopic fool with one goal in mind, though he has yet to reveal the point behind his innocuous senseless line of questions.
Check this out, found where he's been to several forums making a fool of himself and all opening with the same stupid question.

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Hmm, it's just like you've been busted as part of a network of covert agents.  This link is from a the forum that dumped their users, posts and forum software about a week ago.

www.teapartynation.com/.../doj-closes-lois-lerner-investigation-without-c...

Efforts to use that link result in this error code.

QuoteError 403

We're sorry, but we could not fulfill your request for /.../doj-closes-lois-lerner-investigation-without-c on this server.

You do not have permission to access this server.

Your technical support key is: 6129-841c-96c0-bd29

You can use this key to fix this problem yourself.

If you are unable to fix the problem yourself, please contact judson at teapartynation.com and be sure to provide the technical support key shown above.

I am at this forum because teapartynation.com/ effectively closed.  I immediately searched and found conservativepoliticalforum.com.  Whereupon I registered here maybe 3 days ago.

Meaning that the text posted/pasted by solar consisting of  incoherent scraps of my posts elsewhere BEFORE I registered here.

Quote from: Solar on July 11, 2016, 07:18:43 AMOct 23, 2015 - 13 posts - ‎2 authors
Do you agree and accept that the framers of the founding documents ... of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish? .... The ultimate purpose of free speech is I nly made obvious by my inquiry.

Was copied from a forum which only existed before I joined this forum where solar is posting.  At this time, it's  been gone for over a week, and I've only been here for days. 

Solar would say it learned of me through this forum.  But has posted text copied from a forum that disappeared BEFORE I registered here.

Clearly, this could be said to resemble a network of covert agents working to foul Americans ability to understand how to use the constitution to defend itself.  They have copied up my posing from various forums and are trying to use it here to marginalize what I'm doing.  Misrepresentation.

Notice most of the links to forums, except for ldsfreedomforum, go to forums not posts in threads.  At lds there was a clear grouping of covert agents operating to make unaccountability appear normal and acceptable by ignoring it.  Gee, just like solar here .  Wow, what a coincidence!

If the links went to actual posts in threads, the lurkers might see me making logical, lawful victory after victory too often to be constructive towards an agents agenda; so there are none of those links and just scraps of posts where limited specifics of my strategy for constitutional defense are presented.

So very interesting in its resemblance to these factual expose of cognitive infiltration or operations of covert agents.  In this case it appears they have shot themselves in the foot.


http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/snowden_cyber_offensive2_nbc_document.pdf

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE95K0ZV20130621?irpc=932
For decades, the NSA and GCHQ have worked as close partners, sharing intelligence under an arrangement known as the UKUSA agreement. They also collaborate with eavesdropping agencies in Canada, Australia and New Zealand under an arrangement known as the "Five Eyes" alliance.

Solar

Quote from: tac on July 11, 2016, 07:06:12 PM
http://algoxy.com/law/lawfulpeacefulrevolution.html

Nice copy/paste theft.
Yeah, I found that too, and when used in context with is supporting previous text to his copy and paste, his question finally makes sense, but his goal was not to make sense, rather disruption.

I went through each and every one of those links I posted and he repeated the very same pattern as he did here, ask a question, but give no reason behind asking and see what sticks to the wall then claim they don't support the Constitution.
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Quote from: ChrisABrown on July 12, 2016, 12:13:10 AM

Hmm, it's just like you've been busted as part of a network of covert agents.  This link is from a the forum that dumped their users, posts and forum software about a week ago.

www.teapartynation.com/.../doj-closes-lois-lerner-investigation-without-c...

Efforts to use that link result in this error code.

I am at this forum because teapartynation.com/ effectively closed.  I immediately searched and found conservativepoliticalforum.com.  Whereupon I registered here maybe 3 days ago.

Meaning that the text posted/pasted by solar consisting of  incoherent scraps of my posts elsewhere BEFORE I registered here.

Was copied from a forum which only existed before I joined this forum where solar is posting.  At this time, it's  been gone for over a week, and I've only been here for days. 
All excuses! I went through ever one of those sites, read your posts and saw the repeated pattern where you asked:
"Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish?"
Which had absolutely nothing to do with the actual quote you copied out of context.

QuoteSolar would say it learned of me through this forum.  But has posted text copied from a forum that disappeared BEFORE I registered here.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
OMG a delusional conspiracy freak.

QuoteClearly, this could be said to resemble a network of covert agents working to foul Americans ability to understand how to use the constitution to defend itself.  They have copied up my posing from various forums and are trying to use it here to marginalize what I'm doing.  Misrepresentation.
More nonsense. You come to a Conservative TEA forum where the majority of members are more than twice your age and 100 times your wisdom, and start posting nonsensical gibberish, and to top it off, use extremely poor grammar, yet expect to be taken seriously?
I merely searched out "free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish" And google returned the first page full of your quotes, and no, not one of those sites were closed to anyone but yourself.
Yes, you were quietly banned, but you didn't know it because when you tried to log in, the message returned simply said "user does not exist"
Point is, the admins had enough of your BS and booted you.

QuoteNotice most of the links to forums, except for ldsfreedomforum, go to forums not posts in threads.  At lds there was a clear grouping of covert agents operating to make unaccountability appear normal and acceptable by ignoring it.  Gee, just like solar here .  Wow, what a coincidence!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

QuoteIf the links went to actual posts in threads, the lurkers might see me making logical, lawful victory after victory too often to be constructive towards an agents agenda; so there are none of those links and just scraps of posts where limited specifics of my strategy for constitutional defense are presented.
They did!!!

QuoteSo very interesting in its resemblance to these factual expose of cognitive infiltration or operations of covert agents.  In this case it appears they have shot themselves in the foot.
WTF? ? ? ?  :lol:

Quote
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/snowden_cyber_offensive2_nbc_document.pdf

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE95K0ZV20130621?irpc=932
For decades, the NSA and GCHQ have worked as close partners, sharing intelligence under an arrangement known as the UKUSA agreement. They also collaborate with eavesdropping agencies in Canada, Australia and New Zealand under an arrangement known as the "Five Eyes" alliance.

Which has what to do with your "free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish"?
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Quote from: Solar on July 12, 2016, 07:18:49 AM
All excuses! I went through ever one of those sites, read your posts and saw the repeated pattern where you asked:
"Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish?"
Which had absolutely nothing to do with the actual quote you copied out of context.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
OMG a delusional conspiracy freak.
More nonsense. You come to a Conservative TEA forum where the majority of members are more than twice your age and 100 times your wisdom, and start posting nonsensical gibberish, and to top it off, use extremely poor grammar, yet expect to be taken seriously?
I merely searched out "free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish" And google returned the first page full of your quotes, and no, not one of those sites were closed to anyone but yourself.
Yes, you were quietly banned, but you didn't know it because when you tried to log in, the message returned simply said "user does not exist"
Point is, the admins had enough of your BS and booted you.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
They did!!!
WTF? ? ? ?  :lol:

Which has what to do with your "free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish"?

Have we had enough of him?
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Jonathan

Why do you attack the person?
Ask real questions, rather than attack. Though you do ask simple questions, it appears to me that if you get an answer inconsistent with your own thought pattern, then you simply the person who answered. Shame follows such conduct.

Not all may have your level of grammar. Albert Einstein, typically, did not bother with proper spelling. Being fluent with more than one language seems like a fair excuse to overlook poor grammar. Youth may be another conditional excuse.

But you three, Solar, TAC, and the sales guy miss the mark on the questions of "alter" and "abolish."

The Constitution says, " In order to make a more perfect union."
The Declaration says, "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God."

Hummm. How far from that unity have we come? Science continually attempts to limit nature through models and equations. People's speech continually softens under Political Correctness. And this forum only includes six voices.

And here, now, you threaten to ostracize a speaker. Shame on you guys.

Discuss the nature of the question. Analyse the proposed 1st amendment. It just talk.

Your having enough is a strong sign of weakness on your parts.
If you wish, stay in your safe space (forum) to the exclusion of all strange or different ideas and massage your hurt, matching, Bobbsey Twin mentalities.

Or, do as I suggest, rise to the occasion with vibrant, passionate, and sincere engagement.

Solar

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 12, 2016, 07:29:56 AM
Have we had enough of him?
Nah, I'll let him expose his true intentions.
Imagine, he actually thinks I'm part of some vast conspiracy, a conspiracy where we used telepathy to lure him here, just so I could spring on him his posts from other forums. :blink:   :lol: :lol: :lol:
I swear, I laughed for two hours after reading that crap.  :lol:
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REV. Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech and the primary methods or systems of it shall not be abridged and be first accessible for the purpose of the unity of the people in order to alter or abolish government destructive to their unalienable rights, or with its possible greater meaning through understanding one another in; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Congress shall see that nothing abridges freedom of the press in its service to the unity of the people; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances or defense of this constitution.


So People, analyse this!

Solar

Quote from: Jonathan on July 12, 2016, 12:26:12 PM
REV. Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech and the primary methods or systems of it shall not be abridged and be first accessible for the purpose of the unity of the people in order to alter or abolish government destructive to their unalienable rights, or with its possible greater meaning through understanding one another in; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Congress shall see that nothing abridges freedom of the press in its service to the unity of the people; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances or defense of this constitution.


So People, analyse this!
Did you have a point?
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Quote from: Solar on July 12, 2016, 03:29:35 PM
Did you have a point?

It seems the final point is that you do not care for the point that the intent of our constitution is to provide law that protects our unalienable rights.  And that the people are the ones that rightfully define the intent of the constitution.

But there is the analysis of the draft revision of the 1st amendment.

Clearly, all speech is free.  The draft revision defines what kind of speech is enabled for the unity of the people.  The character and nature of that speech as the people may best know it in safety and happiness.  And it couples that with defense of the constitution with the peoples assembly and parallels that with the ultimate purpose of the press.