The 2nd Amendment and Gun Legislation

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Quote from: kopema on November 17, 2013, 09:28:39 PM
Wrong. Ad hominem in Latin means literally "to the man" or "toward the person." An ad hominem insult or attack is aimed at a person. It has nothing to do with any sort of argument, and merely describes a statement, usually an insult. The phrase never even approaches logical fallacies or any other problems you might have.


That's what WE do.  If someone's a blithering idiot, you call him a blithering idiot while making as much fun as you can manage of his rantings.

He does it the opposite way around.  He keeps deeming every crazy ass theological argument he comes up with "scientific," and keeps calling everyone else "unscientific" because we all think everything he says is insane gibberish. 

On an incredibly vague level, he knows that "science" is something that smart people do.  But all he can really grasp is that feeling; the word itself he merely presses into service to express the only concepts the subjective intellect will ever understand: self-aggrandizement; infantile insult; or preferably both at once.

I realize this is quite a stretch, but try for a second to imagine a fully-grown person with a triple-digit IQ trying to win an argument by saying: "I'm more scientific than you!"  Don't feel too bad if you can't picture that scene -- no one can.

Notice how nothing that you say here actually addresses any argument or contention?   :rolleyes:

kopema

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 17, 2013, 09:38:24 PM
Notice how nothing that you say here actually addresses any argument or contention?

You're only now starting to figure that out?  Did you also happen to notice that I'm not addressing your unicorn?

To you the first comes as a surprise, and the second seems a complete coincidence.  To some people, that's how everything in the whole world looks.
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kopema: since it's clear from your replies that you don't consider actually addressing someone's contentions rather than attacking his posting style or rhetoric to be sufficiently enjoyable, and since you have indicated that you are better at both math and science than I am, let me test you.  I'll give you seven extremely basic questions.  See if you can answer them.  Maybe you can even use the internet to help you.

You see, it's easy to make nonfalsifiable statements ("your argument is stupid so I don't feel a need to substantiate this"), but we judge a claim by its predictive ability.  Since you think you have such transcendent critical thinking skills you do not even need to debate those of opposing viewpoints, surely when it comes to actual, objective measurements you won't suspiciously come up lacking.  I mean, you might have to research a few concepts, but beyond that nothing here extends beyond a high school education:

1. How much power is needed to keep an Earth sized, spherical planet in a circular orbit one astronomical unit away from our sun?

2. Find the mass of a paraboloid z = 4x^2 + 6y^2 (in meters) with a density of (3x^2 + 2y) kg/m^3.

3. How does the translational kinetic energy of a cylinder rolling down an inclined plane upon reaching the bottom compare to that of an equivalent cylinder sliding?

4. Demonstrate that rdrd(theta) = dydx. 

5. You have two sided cards laid out to you like this: A 5 C 4 and 3.  On one side is a letter and another a number.  How many cards would you have to flip over to prove the statement: "if a card has a side A, the other side will be a 5".

6. On the moon, how does the work needed to lift a 5 kg object vertically by 4 meters compare to the work needed to lift the same object diagonally a distance of 5 meters on a 53.13 degree incline?

7. If you are standing on one end of a boat, explain what will happen if you started walking to the other side.


Of course, you could easily humiliate me by solving all of these problems, which you should have learned in high school...but something tells me you won't.   :lol:

kopema

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 17, 2013, 09:57:15 PM
kopema: since it's clear from your replies that you don't consider actually addressing someone's contentions rather than attacking his posting style or rhetoric to be sufficiently enjoyable, and since you have indicated that you are better at both math and science than I am, let me test you.  I'll give you seven extremely basic questions.  See if you can answer them.  Maybe you can even use the internet to help you.

You see, it's easy to make nonfalsifiable statements ("your argument is stupid so I don't feel a need to substantiate this"), but we judge a claim by its predictive ability.  Since you think you have such transcendent critical thinking skills you do not even need to debate those of opposing viewpoints, surely when it comes to actual, objective measurements you won't suspiciously come up lacking.  I mean, you might have to research a few concepts, but beyond that nothing here extends beyond a high school education:

1. How much power is needed to keep an Earth sized, spherical planet in a circular orbit one astronomical unit away from our sun?

2. Find the mass of a paraboloid z = 4x^2 + 6y^2 (in meters) with a density of (3x^2 + 2y) kg/m^3.

3. How does the translational kinetic energy of a cylinder rolling down an inclined plane upon reaching the bottom compare to that of an equivalent cylinder sliding?

4. Demonstrate that rdrd(theta) = dydx. 

5. You have two sided cards laid out to you like this: A 5 C 4 and 3.  On one side is a letter and another a number.  How many cards would you have to flip over to prove the statement: "if a card has a side A, the other side will be a 5".

6. On the moon, how does the work needed to lift a 5 kg object vertically by 4 meters compare to the work needed to lift the same object diagonally a distance of 5 meters on a 53.13 degree incline?

7. If you are standing on one end of a boat, explain what will happen if you started walking to the other side.


Of course, you could easily humiliate me by solving all of these problems, which you should have learned in high school...but something tells me you won't.   :lol:

OK he's starting to Spam now, but this was indicative before it became repetitive (and creepily stalkish.)

This has always been my definition of a liberaltarian:  a liberal who's cursed with a remedial comprehension of arithmetic. 

You'd think that even the tiniest little bit of knowledge should always be a good thing; but to the pathological narcissist it's not.  It gets him kicked out of the kiddie table, but doesn't let him play with the grownups.
''It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.''

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Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 17, 2013, 09:57:15 PM
kopema: since it's clear from your replies that you don't consider actually addressing someone's contentions rather than attacking his posting style or rhetoric to be sufficiently enjoyable, and since you have indicated that you are better at both math and science than I am, let me test you.  I'll give you seven extremely basic questions.  See if you can answer them.  Maybe you can even use the internet to help you.

You see, it's easy to make nonfalsifiable statements ("your argument is stupid so I don't feel a need to substantiate this"), but we judge a claim by its predictive ability.  Since you think you have such transcendent critical thinking skills you do not even need to debate those of opposing viewpoints, surely when it comes to actual, objective measurements you won't suspiciously come up lacking.  I mean, you might have to research a few concepts, but beyond that nothing here extends beyond a high school education:

1. How much power is needed to keep an Earth sized, spherical planet in a circular orbit one astronomical unit away from our sun?

2. Find the mass of a paraboloid z = 4x^2 + 6y^2 (in meters) with a density of (3x^2 + 2y) kg/m^3.

3. How does the translational kinetic energy of a cylinder rolling down an inclined plane upon reaching the bottom compare to that of an equivalent cylinder sliding?

4. Demonstrate that rdrd(theta) = dydx. 

5. You have two sided cards laid out to you like this: A 5 C 4 and 3.  On one side is a letter and another a number.  How many cards would you have to flip over to prove the statement: "if a card has a side A, the other side will be a 5".

6. On the moon, how does the work needed to lift a 5 kg object vertically by 4 meters compare to the work needed to lift the same object diagonally a distance of 5 meters on a 53.13 degree incline?

7. If you are standing on one end of a boat, explain what will happen if you started walking to the other side.


Of course, you could easily humiliate me by solving all of these problems, which you should have learned in high school...but something tells me you won't.   :lol:
What in the Hell has Gaussian integration to do with the 2nd?
Your attempt to show high a school pop quiz in relation to the topic screams you know you're losing the debate, you ran from me and now you build straw men out of your own feces, when in truth, all you've managed to prove is you have yet to grow up.

I'm going to take a wild guess here, that you're all of 25, and every bit a kid that thinks he's somehow smarter than everyone else.
I have news for you, your mommy lied and your socialist teachers were idiots.

Do you even have a job in the real world yet?
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Quote from: Solar on November 18, 2013, 07:27:53 AM
What in the Hell has Gaussian integration to do with the 2nd?
Your attempt to show high a school pop quiz in relation to the topic screams you know you're losing the debate, you ran from me and now you build straw men out of your own feces, when in truth, all you've managed to prove is you have yet to grow up.

I'm going to take a wild guess here, that you're all of 25, and every bit a kid that thinks he's somehow smarter than everyone else.
I have news for you, your mommy lied and your socialist teachers were idiots.

Do you even have a job in the real world yet?

There's a 2 in it?
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. -- Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; IT IS FORCE. -- George Washington

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Quote from: Solar on November 18, 2013, 07:27:53 AM
Your attempt to show high a school pop quiz in relation to the topic screams you know you're losing the debate, you ran from me and now you build straw men out of your own feces, when in truth, all you've managed to prove is you have yet to grow up.

"Your 'arguments' consist of absolutely nothing but insensate blather."

"Hah!  I'll show you:  [cuts and pastes random excerpt from eighth grade exam.]"

Go ahead and laugh, but that's the closest he's come so far to actually making a relevant comment.
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Quote from: kopema on November 18, 2013, 08:04:14 AM
"Your 'arguments' consist of absolutely nothing but insensate blather."

"Hah!  I'll show you:  [cuts and pastes random excerpt from eighth grade exam.]"

Go ahead and laugh, but that's the closest he's come so far to actually making a relevant comment.
True, his failure comes from not understanding his opponents position, as well as the fact he knows nothing of our goals.
He has been taught that Capitalism is evil and any amount of profit comes from pure greed, rather than the fact that a truly free man has the immunity to pursue true happiness when not hamstrung by govt oppression, which explains his attempt at dissection over the Bill of Rights in particular the 2nd.

These damn kids were taught to accept blindly the equivocation of the message as fact being force fed their empty heads.
He is the epitome of LIV!
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Quote from: Solar on November 18, 2013, 08:49:34 AM
True, his failure comes from not understanding his opponents position, as well as the fact he knows nothing of our goals.  He has been taught that Capitalism is evil and any amount of profit comes from pure greed, rather than the fact that a truly free man has the immunity to pursue true happiness when not hamstrung by govt oppression, which explains his attempt at dissection over the Bill of Rights in particular the 2nd.

Ignorance and susceptibility to misinformation are not liberals' failings -- those are two of their precious few redeeming qualities.

Collectivism is not a peccadillo; it is a religion.  This guy isn't just ignorant and misinformed; he is zealous.  In his mind, he isn't "failing" at anything; the more we poke fun at him, the more confirmed he becomes in his own self-righteous martyrdom.
''It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.''

- Justice Robert H. Jackson

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Quote from: kopema on November 18, 2013, 09:08:17 AM
Ignorance and susceptibility to misinformation are not liberals' failings -- those are two of their precious few redeeming qualities.

Collectivism is not a peccadillo; it is a religion.  This guy isn't just ignorant and misinformed; he is zealous.  In his mind, he isn't "failing" at anything; the more we poke fun at him, the more confirmed he becomes in his own self-righteous martyrdom.
Which is why I challenged him on the Fabian doctrine.
I know he will suddenly stop, read all he can on the topic, only to look for excuses.
But the undeniable fact that the two are inseparable will stick like a phallus in his throat, the one time he will reject such a moment in his progressive life.
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Quote from: Solar on November 18, 2013, 09:16:45 AM
Which is why I challenged him on the Fabian doctrine.  I know he will suddenly stop, read all he can on the topic, only to look for excuses.

With all due respect, if it's your theory, then it is your job to explain the connection.

As I said, I don't know of a direct connection between that and Obama.  Everything about his background - from three generations ago up through his twenty-year involvement with the Nation Of Islam and Trinity Church - points to ultra-radical anti-colonialism and Black Liberation Theology.  (Frankly, just the fact that it has British ties would appear to go against his grain.)  No matter who he's affiliated with at the moment, he's said or done nothing to indicate he's particularly dedicated to Fabianism, any more than he is to Fascism, Socialism, Environmentalism or Communism -- every indication is that all of those things are simply interchangeable tools and alliances of convenience to him.

As I said before, I have MET these people.  Go to any Ivy-League grad school in America and you'll see hundreds of Clintons, Reids and Pelosis.  And alongside them you'll also see a few dozen Ayers, Van Jones and Obamas.  They are all stamped out of plastic, but from two completely different molds.  They share some common short-term tactics, but whether the elitist twats you call "Fabians" and I call "latte liberals" understand it or not, they are most definitely NOT cut from the same cloth as the handful of committed radicals they glom onto like so many preppy kids idolizing rap stars who'd love nothing more than to slit all their throats.

On a very tangentially related note, have you ever read Obama's auto-hagiographies?  I really got the same "vibe" off of them that I got from Marx, Nietzsche and Mein Kampf.  And I don't just mean the class warfare, racism and bizarre theology either.  Even the syntax is... weird.  After only a few words, I thought:  "How could anyone not know this was written by a crazy person?"  It was hard to chalk it all up to terrible translations for such widely-read works.  And it's even harder with Obama; English is practically one of his native languages, and he couldn't have had any shortage of editors and proofreaders.  What's up with that?
''It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.''

- Justice Robert H. Jackson

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Quote from: kopema on November 18, 2013, 10:58:55 AM
With all due respect, if it's your theory, then it is your job to explain the connection.

As I said, I don't know of a direct connection between that and Obama.  Everything about his background - from three generations ago up through his twenty-year involvement with the Nation Of Islam and Trinity Church - points to ultra-radical anti-colonialism and Black Liberation Theology.  (Frankly, just the fact that it has British ties would appear to go against his grain.)  No matter who he's affiliated with at the moment, he's said or done nothing to indicate he's particularly dedicated to Fabianism, any more than he is to Fascism, Socialism, Environmentalism or Communism -- every indication is that all of those things are simply interchangeable tools and alliances of convenience to him.

As I said before, I have MET these people.  Go to any Ivy-League grad school in America and you'll see hundreds of Clintons, Reids and Pelosis.  And alongside them you'll also see a few dozen Ayers, Van Jones and Obamas.  They are all stamped out of plastic, but from two completely different molds.  They share some common short-term tactics, but whether the elitist twats you call "Fabians" and I call "latte liberals" understand it or not, they are most definitely NOT cut from the same cloth as the handful of committed radicals they glom onto like so many preppy kids idolizing rap stars who'd love nothing more than to slit all their throats.

On a very tangentially related note, have you ever read Obama's auto-hagiographies?  I really got the same "vibe" off of them that I got from Marx, Nietzsche and Mein Kampf.  And I don't just mean the class warfare, racism and bizarre theology either.  Even the syntax is... weird.  After only a few words, I thought:  "How could anyone not know this was written by a crazy person?"  It was hard to chalk it all up to terrible translations for such widely-read works.  And it's even harder with Obama; English is practically one of his native languages, and he couldn't have had any shortage of editors and proofreaders.  What's up with that?
I will make the clear connection, but I won't tip my hand, only to have him scurry away again, like he has in the past by not acknowledging it.
But feel free to do a bit of research on your own, you find there is a solid connection.
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Solar, please read your PM.

kopema, I'm assuming your refusal to answer my questions has everything to do with not wanting to answer them and nothing to do with any inability.

Yeah sure it's off topic; but what else can I do when your response to a series of contentions and evidence is to block quote and respond with something akin to "I know I'm right and will not bother to justify my position"?  Notice how such claims, no matter how true, are generic and can be copy-pasted to refute any position imaginable?  Perhaps it's because you offer no actual argument or elaboration?  "I work in mysterious ways" bullshit.   :rolleyes: