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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2014, 07:59:28 PM »
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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2014, 08:02:48 PM »
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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2014, 08:03:20 PM »
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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2014, 03:27:57 AM »
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Just don't ask me to accept that the common person should be able to own nukes lol :smile: For the vast majority of the people, they can not afford one. For the few who could afford one, they can not get one. For those who can afford one and know how to get one, no law would stop it.

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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2014, 07:37:51 AM »
A prime example of why education is soooo important. True education that is, not this garbage the liberals throw out at our kids day in and day out anymore.

I mean the kind of education where these people learn why we have the rights enumerated in the Constitution that we do.

I swear it's as if some of these idiots think they (the congressmen) just got a wild hair one day and said lets pass ten amendments and just throw any old thing in there. :)
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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2014, 03:12:52 PM »
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which is why the 2nd is restricted to personal arms.
  By personal arms, what exactly are you referring to? The 2nd is quite clear, "shall not be infringed"!

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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2014, 04:58:27 PM »
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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2014, 05:10:35 PM »
No it does not, nukes are indiscriminate, like a hand grenade, which is why the 2nd is restricted to personal arms.
But if the nation falls into chaos and the Govt starts using grenades against it's people, then all bets are off and anything goes.

You've lost me. How are hand grenades not "personal arms?" Are you trying to define a new class of weaponry? (The Left has for decades tried to tell us that there are things called "assault weapons," as if any weapon could be otherwise defined.) After Ruby Ridge and especially Waco, do you really think if the government decides to come after its people its agents will be wearing cop-issue revolvers and carrying bolt-action hunting rifles?

The Second Amendment is restricted to "personal arms?" First, you might want to define the term. Then I think we'd appreciate an explanation of how the Second Amendment is so limited.
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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2014, 05:22:47 PM »
You've lost me. How are hand grenades not "personal arms?" Are you trying to define a new class of weaponry? (The Left has for decades tried to tell us that there are things called "assault weapons," as if any weapon could be otherwise defined.) After Ruby Ridge and especially Waco, do you really think if the government decides to come after its people its agents will be wearing cop-issue revolvers and carrying bolt-action hunting rifles?

The Second Amendment is restricted to "personal arms?" First, you might want to define the term. Then I think we'd appreciate an explanation of how the Second Amendment is so limited.
Mostly because it's indiscriminate, in other words, you cannot aim a grenade like you can a piece.
And not to defend libs, but yes, there is such a thing as an assault rifle, look it up.

As to Ruby ridge, refer to my earlier post about "all bets being off."
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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2014, 06:45:57 PM »
Mostly because it's indiscriminate, in other words, you cannot aim a grenade like you can a piece.
And not to defend libs, but yes, there is such a thing as an assault rifle, look it up.

As to Ruby ridge, refer to my earlier post about "all bets being off."

There are as many definitions of "assault rifle" as there are pundits that want to ban them, control them, or issue them to every teacher in the country. A great many politicians -- all of them Democrats -- have polished their reputations passing laws that eliminate the Ruger 10/22 carbine (as just one example) because it can be somehow "converted" into an "assault rifle." You know as well as I do that the term "assault rifle" is a political football, and in political terms, there is actually NO definition for the phrase. In 1780, a Brown Bess musket was an assault rifle. Nearly a hundred years later, Custer found out that the Winchester Model 73 was a for-real assault rifle, much to his discomfort, as his men, equipped with what he thought were assault rifles --Springfield Model 73 single-shot carbines -- died in dozens around him.

Aren't military recruits still taught to aim hand grenades? The hand grenade may be an unaimed weapon, in the sense that it kills and/or maims indiscriminately in the vicinity of where it lands. But the same can be said for any weapon. What was the first thing you learned about firing a rifle? If you were raised the way I was, you learned that you "can't get the bullet back," no matter what. That bullet you just released will follow its trajectory no matter what. We were taught to control our shots and make sure of our backdrops. But the underlying lesson was that once it's released, that bullet cannot be recalled. Firing any sort of firearm is a forever act that you own if it's your finger on the trigger.
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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2014, 07:44:03 PM »
There are as many definitions of "assault rifle" as there are pundits that want to ban them, control them, or issue them to every teacher in the country. A great many politicians -- all of them Democrats -- have polished their reputations passing laws that eliminate the Ruger 10/22 carbine (as just one example) because it can be somehow "converted" into an "assault rifle." You know as well as I do that the term "assault rifle" is a political football, and in political terms, there is actually NO definition for the phrase. In 1780, a Brown Bess musket was an assault rifle. Nearly a hundred years later, Custer found out that the Winchester Model 73 was a for-real assault rifle, much to his discomfort, as his men, equipped with what he thought were assault rifles --Springfield Model 73 single-shot carbines -- died in dozens around him.
Pundits have absolutely nothing to do with it the term, as I'm sure you discovered in your search.

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Aren't military recruits still taught to aim hand grenades? The hand grenade may be an unaimed weapon, in the sense that it kills and/or maims indiscriminately in the vicinity of where it lands. But the same can be said for any weapon. What was the first thing you learned about firing a rifle? If you were raised the way I was, you learned that you "can't get the bullet back," no matter what. That bullet you just released will follow its trajectory no matter what. We were taught to control our shots and make sure of our backdrops. But the underlying lesson was that once it's released, that bullet cannot be recalled. Firing any sort of firearm is a forever act that you own if it's your finger on the trigger.
The first thing I learned was "DOWN RANGE"  and the first thing the Military pounded into us as well.
There is no such thing as "Down Range" with a grenade.
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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2014, 08:03:35 PM »
Pundits have absolutely nothing to do with it the term, as I'm sure you discovered in your search.
The first thing I learned was "DOWN RANGE"  and the first thing the Military pounded into us as well.
There is no such thing as "Down Range" with a grenade.

Sad to say, pundits own the term. Note that I said, "in political terms..." Yes, I know what gun authorities consider to be an "assault rifle." Trouble is, I've yet to see an "assault rifle" ban that has to do with actual assault rifles. I hate to admit it, but the pundits have been running that show for a long time. They just don't seem to give a rat's ass what our firearms experts have to say.

It's sad, but true, that a great many gun laws are written and/or supported by people who have never pulled a trigger in their lives. They literally have no fucking idea what they're legislating about. That frightens me.

"Down range" means exactly the same principle I described. Projectiles are being launched in a given direction, and all friendly personnel must not be there. You can't get the bullet back. If a grenade is tossed in a given direction at a given target, I think that "downrange" can be assigned to its trajectory. A grenade thrown toward an enemy is a projectile, period. So is an arrow or a dagger or a lance or a cannonball or a cruise missile.

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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2014, 08:29:11 PM »
Sad to say, pundits own the term. Note that I said, "in political terms..." Yes, I know what gun authorities consider to be an "assault rifle." Trouble is, I've yet to see an "assault rifle" ban that has to do with actual assault rifles. I hate to admit it, but the pundits have been running that show for a long time. They just don't seem to give a rat's ass what our firearms experts have to say.

It's sad, but true, that a great many gun laws are written and/or supported by people who have never pulled a trigger in their lives. They literally have no fucking idea what they're legislating about. That frightens me.

"Down range" means exactly the same principle I described. Projectiles are being launched in a given direction, and all friendly personnel must not be there. You can't get the bullet back. If a grenade is tossed in a given direction at a given target, I think that "downrange" can be assigned to its trajectory. A grenade thrown toward an enemy is a projectile, period. So is an arrow or a dagger or a lance or a cannonball or a cruise missile.
If you've never thrown one, you really can't appreciate just how hard it is to hit your target.
Several factors to consider, one is it's weight, it's not a baseball, you can't throw it over arm, no matter how bad ass you are, it will destroy your shoulder and you'll be out of commission.

Another is, you have to guess at the enemies location when you throw it, because if you stick your head up, you're a target instantly.
Thirdly, you can't throw it very far, so if you inadvertently bounce it off something, it can come back, or bounce back past you maiming those in your support.

No, it's not like a bullet, nor an arrow or knife, all those travel a straight trajectory towards your target, a grenade follows an arch, and seldom lands exactly where you intended it to, which is the beauty of it's design, it only has to be in the vicinity.

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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2014, 03:23:24 AM »
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which is why the 2nd is restricted to personal arms.
  I have never heard this argument about the 2nd. Where is this coming from?

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Re: Repeal The 2nd Amendment
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2014, 05:18:06 AM »
  I have never heard this argument about the 2nd. Where is this coming from?
It may have been a poor use of words, but it was a reference to nukes and the "individual" being armed.


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